1                              CITY OF JACKSONVILLE

 

       2                         LAND USE AND ZONING

 

       3                              COMMITTEE

 

       4

 

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       6             Proceedings held on Wednesday, September 8,

 

       7   2010, commencing at 5:00 p.m., City Hall, Council

 

       8   Chambers, 1st Floor, Jacksonville, Florida, before

 

       9   Diane M. Tropia, a Notary Public in and for the State

 

      10   of Florida at Large.

 

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      12   PRESENT:

 

      13        JOHN CRESCIMBENI, Chair.

                RAY HOLT, Vice Chair.

      14        WILLIAM BISHOP, Committee Member.

                DICK BROWN, Committee Member.

      15        DON REDMAN, Committee Member.

                STEPHEN JOOST, Committee Member.

      16        REGGIE BROWN, Committee Member.

 

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           ALSO PRESENT:

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                JOHN CROFTS, Deputy Director, Planning Dept.

      19        SEAN KELLY, Chief, Current Planning.

                FOLKS HUXFORD, Zoning Administrator.

      20        KEN AVERY, Planning and Development Dept.

                DYLAN REINGOLD, Office of General Counsel.

      21        MERRIANE LAHMEUR, Legislative Assistant.

                SHARONDA DAVIS, Legislative Assistant.

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        Diane M. Tropia, Inc., P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203


 

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       1                   P R O C E E D I N G S

 

       2   September 8, 2010                       5:00 p.m.

 

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       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Good afternoon,

 

       5        everyone.

 

       6             We're going to go ahead and convene the

 

       7        September 8th meeting of the Land Use and Zoning

 

       8        Committee.

 

       9             I'm the chairman, Councilman John

 

      10        Crescimbeni, and we will begin by going around

 

      11        the dais, starting with Mr. Crofts on my right.

 

      12             MR. CROFTS:  Good evening.

 

      13             My name is John Crofts, and I'm

 

      14        representing the Planning and Development

 

      15        Department.

 

      16             MR. KELLY:  Sean Kelly, Planning and

 

      17        Development.

 

      18             MR. HUXFORD:  Folks Huxford, Planning and

 

      19        Development.

 

      20             MR. AVERY:  Ken Avery, Planning and

 

      21        Development.

 

      22             MR. REINGOLD:  Dylan Reingold at the Office

 

      23        of General Counsel, and I would like to steal

 

      24        someone's thunder and welcome to our committee

 

      25        Councilmember Dick Brown.

 

 

 

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       1             MR. D. BROWN:  Thank you so much.

 

       2             I'm Dick Brown, newly appointed to fill

 

       3        Art Graham's vacancy.  It's an honor to be

 

       4        here.  And I just want to welcome all of you

 

       5        folks who showed up to welcome me tonight.  That

 

       6        is what you're here for, isn't it?

 

       7             Thank you.

 

       8             MR. JOOST:  Stephen Joost, City Council,

 

       9        Group 3, at-large.

 

      10             MR. HOLT:  Ray Holt, District 11.

 

      11             MR. BISHOP:  Bill Bishop, District 2.

 

      12             MR. REDMAN:  Don Redman, District 4.

 

      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Thank you,

 

      14        everyone.

 

      15             And, yes, Mr. Brown, welcome.

 

      16             Mr. Brown has some LUZ experience from

 

      17        prior service on the City Council.  We're going

 

      18        to put that to use tonight right off the bat.

 

      19             And for those of you who don't know

 

      20        Mr. Brown, Mr. Brown has a great sense of

 

      21        humor.  So when we get really bogged down in

 

      22        things, look for some brevity from Mr. Brown to

 

      23        kind of lighten things up for the moment.

 

      24             Mr. Reingold, would you like to begin by

 

      25        reading the preamble?

 

 

 

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       1             MR. REINGOLD:  I would be delighted.  I'm a

 

       2        little rusty.

 

       3             But before I get started, I believe another

 

       4        Councilmember Brown has joined us.

 

       5             THE CHAIRMAN:  Oh, I'm sorry, yes.

 

       6             Councilmember Reggie Brown has joined us.

 

       7        So this ought to be interesting.  If both of

 

       8        y'all push your request to speak buttons, I'm

 

       9        not sure, we'll have to -- I'll say, "the

 

      10        closest Brown" or "the furthest away Brown" so

 

      11        we can differentiate between the two of you.

 

      12             All right.  Mr. Reingold.

 

      13             MR. REINGOLD:  Absolutely, sir.

 

      14             Anyone who would like to address the

 

      15        committee must fill out a yellow speaker's card

 

      16        in its entirety.  The yellow speakers' cards are

 

      17        located on the desk up front, near the podium.

 

      18        Once completed, please return the speaker's card

 

      19        to the basket on the front desk.

 

      20             Any person who lobbies the City for

 

      21        compensation is considered a lobbyist and is

 

      22        therefore required to register their lobbying

 

      23        activity with the City Council secretary.  If

 

      24        you are a lobbyist and have not registered with

 

      25        the City Council secretary, you will not be

 

 

 

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       1        permitted to address the committee.

 

       2             Because a verbatim transcript of this

 

       3        meeting will be prepared by a court reporter, it

 

       4        is important that you speak clearly into the

 

       5        microphone when you address the committee.  It's

 

       6        also important that only one person speak at a

 

       7        time.

 

       8             Any tangible materials submitted with a

 

       9        speaker's presentation, such as documents,

 

      10        photographs, plans, drawings, et cetera, shall

 

      11        become a permanent part of the public record and

 

      12        will be retained by this committee.

 

      13             As a courtesy, please switch any cell

 

      14        phones, pagers, or audible devices to a silent

 

      15        mode.

 

      16             Additionally, there shall be no public

 

      17        displays of support or opposition, so please

 

      18        refrain from applause or speaking out of turn.

 

      19             Items are generally addressed in the order

 

      20        in which they are listed on the agenda.  Copies

 

      21        of the agenda are located on the desk up front,

 

      22        near the podium.

 

      23             On occasion, items may be heard out of

 

      24        order for the sake of efficiency or to

 

      25        accommodate scheduling conflicts.

 

 

 

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       1             Unless there is a formal hearing on a

 

       2        particular item, each member of the public is

 

       3        limited to a single three-minute presentation;

 

       4        therefore, presentations should be focused,

 

       5        concise, and address only the items pending

 

       6        before the committee.

 

       7             Prior to addressing the committee, please

 

       8        state your name and address for the court

 

       9        reporter.

 

      10             Decisions on rezonings, including PUDs,

 

      11        waivers of road frontage, sign waivers, and

 

      12        appeals, are all considered quasi-judicial in

 

      13        nature and certain protocols will be followed

 

      14        for these items.

 

      15             First, each committee member must disclose

 

      16        on the record any ex-parte communications they

 

      17        have had with any members of the public prior to

 

      18        the hearing on each applicable item.  This

 

      19        includes a brief statement of when the

 

      20        communication took place, who the communication

 

      21        was with, and what the subject matter of the

 

      22        communication was about.

 

      23             Second, the normal format is to allow the

 

      24        applicant or agent thereof to make their

 

      25        presentation first, followed by members of the

 

 

 

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       1        public who wish to speak in support of the item,

 

       2        then members of the public who are in opposition

 

       3        will be allowed to speak.

 

       4             After all the public comments have been

 

       5        received, the applicant will have a brief

 

       6        opportunity to wrap up or present a brief

 

       7        rebuttal.  The wrap-up or rebuttal shall be

 

       8        limited to the issues brought up by the

 

       9        speakers.

 

      10             In some instances, the Chair may permit a

 

      11        concise surrebuttal or response to the

 

      12        applicant's rebuttal, which will be followed by

 

      13        a brief final response by the applicant.

 

      14             Finally, all quasi-judicial decisions must

 

      15        be based on substantial competent evidence,

 

      16        which means that the committee's decision must

 

      17        be supported by fact-based testimony or expert

 

      18        testimony and not generalized concerns or

 

      19        opinions.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Reingold.

 

      21             We have a fairly busy agenda this evening.

 

      22        We do have what may turn out to be some

 

      23        controversial items on the agenda, so I will ask

 

      24        the audience to be respectful of those speaking

 

      25        at the podium.  You heard Mr. Reingold's

 

 

 

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       1        statement about no public demonstrations.  That

 

       2        doesn't allow for any applause, jeering,

 

       3        cheering.  We're going to conduct ourselves in a

 

       4        professional manner and I hope you will

 

       5        participate in that endeavor.

 

       6             It's my intent to go through the agenda in

 

       7        the order that it's posted.  We may have a

 

       8        council member that's not on the committee join

 

       9        us to take up some matters out of order.  If

 

      10        that occurs, we will do so.

 

      11             But, with that said, we will begin with

 

      12        item 1, although Merriane or -- does the

 

      13        audience have a corrected version of the

 

      14        agenda?

 

      15             MS. LAHMEUR:  Yes.

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  So if you have a copy

 

      17        of the agenda -- and they're up here on the

 

      18        front table -- you're welcome to review that.

 

      19        It will show you what items will be deferred

 

      20        tonight or which items we will take no action on

 

      21        after we open and continue the public hearings.

 

      22             All right.  So item 1, 2010-373.

 

      23             Mr. Kelly.

 

      24             Oh, I'm sorry.  This item is -- this item

 

      25        is actually going to be deferred tonight.  We do

 

 

 

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       1        have a scheduled public hearing.

 

       2             The public hearing is open.  I have one

 

       3        speaker's card, David Abraham.

 

       4             Mr. Abraham, if you'd like to make your way

 

       5        forward if you're here.

 

       6             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  And if you'll begin -- if

 

       8        all speakers will begin their remarks by stating

 

       9        their name and address, and we do restrict

 

      10        comments to three minutes.  There's a light tree

 

      11        in front of you here.  When it goes to yellow,

 

      12        you need to start wrapping up.  And when it goes

 

      13        to red, you are -- you should have concluded

 

      14        your remarks.

 

      15             So, Mr. Abraham, go ahead.

 

      16             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Thank you, Chairman.

 

      17             My name is David Abraham.  My address is

 

      18        50 North Laura Street, 2750, Jacksonville,

 

      19        32202.

 

      20             I am the counsel for the applicant,

 

      21        Yabah 9, LLC.  We filed this application for

 

      22        rezoning in April.  We received department

 

      23        recommendation, we received Planning Commission

 

      24        approval.  I appeared before you at the April --

 

      25        at the August 25 meeting, at which time

 

 

 

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       1        Council President Webb had requested a

 

       2        deferral.

 

       3             I did reach out to the adjacent owner, who

 

       4        is the only opposition to the application.

 

       5             Essentially, the issue is I have someone

 

       6        who desperately wants to sell their property for

 

       7        a multiple of the appraised value.  We have not

 

       8        been able to come to terms at this point.  We

 

       9        are not having further discussions regarding

 

      10        that sale.

 

      11             There was a request to further defer us for

 

      12        this meeting for the purpose of resolving that,

 

      13        and I am -- and stand ready to do so.  But,

 

      14        quite frankly, I do not feel that the parties

 

      15        will come to an agreement because the

 

      16        expectations are so far apart.

 

      17             I have personally reviewed the property; I

 

      18        find it consistent.  I believe the department

 

      19        finds it consistent, so I respectfully request

 

      20        that at the next meeting that our application be

 

      21        heard and we be permitted to be heard and voted

 

      22        on in accordance with our application.

 

      23             Thank you.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Abraham.

 

      25             That bell was not related to your time.

 

 

 

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       1        You still have some time left.

 

       2             MR. ABRAHAM:  I will defer to the bench,

 

       3        and I've said what I need.

 

       4             Thank you.

 

       5             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, sir.

 

       6             Any questions from the committee?

 

       7             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  I have an

 

       9        additional speaker's card, Devon Cole.

 

      10             Mr. Cole, are you here?

 

      11             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

      12             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Good evening, Council.

 

      13             Devon Cole, 5014 Greenland Road.

 

      14             We own the property in question adjacent to

 

      15        the property.  Basically, our -- our voice of

 

      16        opposition here has been and continues to be, in

 

      17        part, the use of that property as a church,

 

      18        considering the fact that we are located already

 

      19        next to one church.

 

      20             And just quickly pulling up on the -- on

 

      21        Jacksonville's -- on the website tonight,

 

      22        looking at a Google search, there are nine

 

      23        churches already within, like, a three- to

 

      24        four-mile radius of the property in question

 

      25        they're trying to get rezoned.

 

 

 

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       1             It is my understanding that, if it gets

 

       2        rezoned, then they are able to go ahead with

 

       3        their -- with their property, and we are just

 

       4        here to continue to voice our opposition to that

 

       5        as it will close us in.  We will be basically

 

       6        boxed in, and it will prevent us from being able

 

       7        to do anything else with our property should we

 

       8        decide to sell it.

 

       9             As he suggested, we are not desperately

 

      10        trying to sell.  We were approached by them if

 

      11        we would be interested in selling and have yet

 

      12        to come to a reasonable or negotiated offer on

 

      13        the property.

 

      14             I do have copies of the area churches that

 

      15        are within a -- within a radius of our property,

 

      16        and I can give you a copy of that.

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Cole, you're welcome to

 

      18        submit that for the record, but we won't be

 

      19        taking any action tonight.  You may want to

 

      20        reserve --

 

      21             MR. COLE:  I've got other copies of it, and

 

      22        I'll keep it for -- I'll keep other copies for a

 

      23        further date.

 

      24             Thank you.

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Cole.

 

 

 

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       1             Any questions from the committee?

 

       2             Mr. Joost.

 

       3             MR. JOOST:  Thank you for coming down.

 

       4             At the next meeting, just make sure -- I

 

       5        want to see pictures of the property.  And what

 

       6        you're talking about is how you're going to --

 

       7        you know, allegedly.  I don't know until I see

 

       8        the pictures, how it's going to cut your

 

       9        property off and diminish your property value.

 

      10             So at least for me, I think those pictures

 

      11        are going to be extremely important in my

 

      12        decision.

 

      13             MR. COLE:  Okay.  And we'll provide -- I

 

      14        don't know if we have any that reflect the --

 

      15             MR. JOOST:  You can -- well, if you can,

 

      16        you can scan them and -- I would suggest you

 

      17        scan them and e-mail them to all the council

 

      18        members before --

 

      19             MR. COLE:  Okay.

 

      20             MR. JOOST:  -- the next hearing in two

 

      21        weeks so we all have a visual idea of exactly

 

      22        what it is you're talking about.

 

      23             MR. COLE:  I understand.  I understand.

 

      24        Not a problem.  We'll make that happen.

 

      25             MR. JOOST:  Thank you.

 

 

 

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       1             MR. COLE:  All right.  Thank you.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Any other questions?

 

       3             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Thank you,

 

       5        Mr. Cole.

 

       6             I have one -- I have a third speaker card,

 

       7        and that's Angela Cole.

 

       8             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

       9             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Angela Cole, 5014

 

      10        Greenland Road, Jacksonville, Florida 32258.

 

      11             Just wanted to say real quick, another

 

      12        concern of ours is the parking lot lights and

 

      13        things like that, so I'll make sure that we take

 

      14        pictures of what we currently are having as an

 

      15        issue.

 

      16             As recent as Thursday night, we had the

 

      17        church on the other side of us keep their lights

 

      18        on past the 10 o'clock deadline, so we had their

 

      19        lights shining into the house.

 

      20             And so that would be on both sides of us,

 

      21        that we would have our property completely lit

 

      22        up and our house completely lit up, so I'll make

 

      23        sure we have pictures of that as well.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  Does that conclude your

 

      25        comments, Ms. Cole?

 

 

 

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       1             MS. COLE:  Yes, sir.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you.

 

       3             Any questions from the committee?

 

       4             Mr. Joost.

 

       5             MR. JOOST:  How long have you lived at that

 

       6        residence?

 

       7             MS. COLE:  We've owned the property since

 

       8        '98, and we built our house in 2003.

 

       9             MR. JOOST:  And when you built your house,

 

      10        the other properties adjacent, next to you, were

 

      11        zoned residential?

 

      12             (Mr. Davis enters the proceedings.)

 

      13             MS. COLE:  Yes, that's --

 

      14             MR. COLE:  Rural residential.

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Thank you.

 

      16             MS. COLE:  They were rural residential.

 

      17        They both had homes on them, individual owners.

 

      18             MR. JOOST:  Okay.  Thank you.

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Joost.

 

      20             Any other questions from the committee?

 

      21             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Thank you,

 

      23        Ms. Cole.

 

      24             Any other speakers?

 

      25             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing none, then the public

 

       2        hearing is continued until September 21st.

 

       3             This bill will be deferred, and that is at

 

       4        the request of the district councilman.

 

       5             Let the record reflect that Council Member

 

       6        or soon to be State Representative Daniel Davis

 

       7        is here.

 

       8             Mr. Davis, I think you had a couple of

 

       9        items that you wanted to take up.

 

      10             Items 33 and 34 on pages 10 and 11.

 

      11             MR. DAVIS:  Yes, sir, Mr. Chairman.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  Let's go to page 10, the

 

      13        bottom of page 10.

 

      14             Mr. Crofts.

 

      15             2010-619, item 33, at the bottom of

 

      16        page 10.

 

      17             MR. DAVIS:  Mr. Chairman, before Mr. Crofts

 

      18        goes --

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  Sure.

 

      20             MR. DAVIS:  -- I just wanted to say, is

 

      21        there anybody from the community here regarding

 

      22        this issue?  I didn't see anybody.

 

      23             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      24             MR. DAVIS:  That's a testament to some hard

 

      25        work that the applicant did with some town

 

 

 

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       1        meetings, and I just wanted to make sure that if

 

       2        anybody was here, they would -- they could get

 

       3        with me.

 

       4             But sorry about interrupting Mr. Crofts,

 

       5        Mr. Chairman.

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Crofts.

 

       7             MR. CROFTS:  No problem.

 

       8             Mr. Chairman and members of the committee,

 

       9        I'm referencing item 33, ordinance 2010-619.  It

 

      10        is a proposed land use amendment to the future

 

      11        land use map series of the 2030 Comprehensive

 

      12        Plan seeking to modify 207.89 acres of land

 

      13        located on the west side of Halsema -- on the

 

      14        west side west of Halsema Road, south of I-10,

 

      15        and just east of the Branan Field/Chaffee Road.

 

      16             This proposed land use recommendation is

 

      17        from low density residential to business park.

 

      18        It is located in the Southwest Planning District

 

      19        and, as has already been acknowledged, is in

 

      20        Council District 12.

 

      21             The Planning Department staff has conducted

 

      22        a review of this item in terms of its

 

      23        compatibility with the surrounding land uses and

 

      24        the impacts on those uses, consistency with the

 

      25        applicable plans and infrastructure and overall

 

 

 

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       1        environmental impacts in the relationship that

 

       2        it has with the existing neighborhoods and

 

       3        recommends approval.

 

       4             I would point out that it is in proximity

 

       5        to the Cecil Commerce Center of its

 

       6        approximately 8,300 acres.  It will be in

 

       7        support of that particular utilization of land

 

       8        out there, and it is also in proximity to some

 

       9        rural residential development to the east, low

 

      10        density development -- low density residential

 

      11        development on large lots, which we feel we've

 

      12        obtained a product that is compatible with those

 

      13        adjacent uses.

 

      14             And staff, again, recommends approval.

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Crofts.

 

      16             I have a public hearing scheduled on

 

      17        this -- on this item this evening.  The public

 

      18        hearing is open and I have one speaker's card,

 

      19        T.R. Hainline.

 

      20             (Mr. Hainline approaches the podium.)

 

      21             MR. HAINLINE:  T.R. Hainline, 1301

 

      22        Riverplace Boulevard, representing CTB3, LLC,

 

      23        which is the owner of the property.

 

      24             Councilman Davis already mentioned we

 

      25        worked extensively with the community over two

 

 

 

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       1        fairly lengthy community meetings.  We worked

 

       2        extensively with the Planning Department and the

 

       3        conditions that they recommended, and we have a

 

       4        revised written description and revised site

 

       5        plans to reflect everything that we agreed to

 

       6        and worked out with the neighborhood and the

 

       7        Planning Department in those discussions.

 

       8             I know you've got a long agenda, so unless

 

       9        there is something particular that either

 

      10        Councilman Davis or you-all would like me to run

 

      11        through, I -- for example, I could run through

 

      12        the handful of things that we agreed to in the

 

      13        neighborhood discussions.  But unless there's

 

      14        something specific, I'm happy to answer any

 

      15        questions or follow your lead as to where you

 

      16        want me to go.

 

      17             MR. DAVIS:  Mr. Chairman, I don't think we

 

      18        need to go detail by detail.  I don't want to

 

      19        hold you up.  I do want to tell you that there

 

      20        was a large group here the first night this was

 

      21        here.  They remained involved.  I believe that

 

      22        there is some traffic issues that this project

 

      23        is going to solve for them that they have on a

 

      24        regular basis, and I think that a contingency in

 

      25        here about connectivity with Cecil Commerce

 

 

 

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       1        Center itself with some of the Hillwood projects

 

       2        is going to really -- that's required before

 

       3        they can get started, and I think that's going

 

       4        to ease a lot of traffic for them.

 

       5             I've got to tell you, I was -- I'm very

 

       6        surprised that there was some agreements the

 

       7        applicant gave on a lot of issues and I think

 

       8        the community gave on a lot of issues, and it

 

       9        really has kind of worked out well.  I think

 

      10        it's going to be a good project.

 

      11             There's going to be plenty of good buffers

 

      12        that's going to -- that will buffer from the

 

      13        large -- large lot residential area, and it

 

      14        connects -- it's right across from the mega site

 

      15        at Cecil, so it's clearly a major commercial

 

      16        piece of property.  So I think that we should

 

      17        move forward.

 

      18             I do have a question about the first

 

      19        entryway coming off -- I would not call it a

 

      20        cut-through, no.

 

      21             MR. JOOST:  (Inaudible.)

 

      22             MR. DAVIS:  Basically, what they're going

 

      23        to do is, once this goes through --

 

      24             Mr. Hainline, why don't you talk about the

 

      25        road closure and the connectivity to --

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  Can we talk about that on

 

       2        the zoning side?  Can we hold off on that

 

       3        discussion or do we need to have that now?

 

       4             MR. HAINLINE:  It is part of the zoning,

 

       5        not the comp plan amendment.

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  Let's take up the land use

 

       7        and then we'll get to the zoning --

 

       8             MR. DAVIS:  Sorry.

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  -- immediately thereafter.

 

      10             Any further questions for Mr. Hainline?

 

      11             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing no one,

 

      13        any other party wish to address the committee?

 

      14             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing no one, then the

 

      16        public hearing is closed.

 

      17             MR. HOLT:  Move the bill.

 

      18             MR. JOOST:  Second.

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion by Mr. Holt, second

 

      20        by Mr. Joost.

 

      21             Is there discussion on the motion?

 

      22             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  If not, open the ballot,

 

      24        vote.

 

      25             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

 

 

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       1             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

       2             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

       3             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

       4             MR. D. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       5             MR. R. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       6             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

       7             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       8             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

       9             MS. LAHMEUR:  Seven yeas, zero nay.

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

      11        approved item 33, 2010-619.

 

      12             Turning to page 11 at the top, item 34,

 

      13        2010-620.

 

      14             Mr. Kelly.

 

      15             MR. KELLY:  Thank you.

 

      16             To the Chair and to the committee members,

 

      17        ordinance 2010-620 is the companion PUD rezoning

 

      18        seeking to rezone the 207 acres from RR, rural

 

      19        residential -- residential rural to the planned

 

      20        unit development.  The proposed PUD allows for

 

      21        office distribution warehouse uses in addition

 

      22        to commercial uses at the northern quadrant of

 

      23        the development adjacent to the --

 

      24        Interstate I-10.

 

      25             The department, again, with the

 

 

 

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       1        negotiations that have occurred over the -- the

 

       2        development of this, the department concurs, is

 

       3        supporting this request with those contingencies

 

       4        in place regarding the connection of the future

 

       5        roadway to the Cecil Field development.

 

       6             Additionally, the Planning Commission

 

       7        reviewed this item and recommended approval

 

       8        subject to the six conditions.  There have been

 

       9        some modifications.  I'll go into that.

 

      10             Condition 1 is subject to the original

 

      11        legal description dated July 13th.

 

      12             Condition 2 is revised to read, "The

 

      13        development shall be subject to the revised

 

      14        written description dated September 8th, 2010."

 

      15             Condition 3 states, "The development shall

 

      16        be subject to the revised site plan dated

 

      17        August 30th, 2010."

 

      18             Condition 4, "The required transportation

 

      19        improvements shall be made in accordance with

 

      20        the Development Services memorandum dated

 

      21        July 26th, 2010, or as otherwise approved by the

 

      22        Planning and Development Department."

 

      23             Condition 5 has been incorporated into the

 

      24        written description.

 

      25             Additionally, condition 7 has been

 

 

 

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       1        incorporated into the written description,

 

       2        leaving condition 6, which allows for four

 

       3        identity monument signs, in addition to the

 

       4        overall development signage, to be allowed along

 

       5        the frontage abutting the limited access

 

       6        highways, which includes Cecil Commerce Parkway

 

       7        and I-10.

 

       8             With that, I just had a question, a

 

       9        clarification as to the square feet that the

 

      10        Planning Commission approved on those four

 

      11        signs.  I think the department was looking at

 

      12        the hierarchy.  We had the two overall

 

      13        development signs along that frontage, which

 

      14        were 200 square feet.  And I saw the sign height

 

      15        went down, but the four additional signs were

 

      16        also at 200, and I just wanted to clarify.

 

      17             I kind of recalled 100, to create that

 

      18        hierarchy, but --

 

      19             MR. HAINLINE:  Well, let me take a look at

 

      20        that.

 

      21             The first thing is I did -- and through the

 

      22        Chair to Mr. Kelly, if you -- if you look at

 

      23        page 9, under 2(a), I did build the limitation

 

      24        on -- of four monument signs into the written

 

      25        description, so I don't know that we need that

 

 

 

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       1        condition anymore because we built it into the

 

       2        written description.

 

       3             But let's see.  Well, I guess my

 

       4        recollection was different as to the square

 

       5        footage of the signs.  I don't recall -- I

 

       6        remember talking about a limitation on the -- on

 

       7        the number of them but not on the square

 

       8        footage.

 

       9             I know there's a hierarchy for other

 

      10        monument signs internally, but I don't recall

 

      11        that there was one for those signs not

 

      12        represented on the elevated signs.

 

      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Kelly, are you inquiring

 

      14        about the identity monument signs or the

 

      15        commercial use identity monument signs?

 

      16             MR. KELLY:  There's --

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  I mean the office or the

 

      18        commercial?

 

      19             MR. KELLY:  The commercial identity

 

      20        monument signs in actually the revised written

 

      21        description.

 

      22             MR. HAINLINE:  At paragraph 2(a) on page 9.

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  I have 2(a) on page 8.

 

      24             MR. HAINLINE:  Oh, okay.  Well, they

 

      25        reordered the numbers when they redid -- the

 

 

 

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       1        page numbers when they --

 

       2             MR. KELLY:  The September 8th written

 

       3        description that I got today is on page 12.

 

       4             MR. HAINLINE:  Well, good.

 

       5             Oh, well, that's the table.  You mean the

 

       6        table?

 

       7             MR. KELLY:  Correct.  I'm looking at the

 

       8        table.  I'm sorry.

 

       9             MR. HAINLINE:  Okay.  Well, there's also a

 

      10        written --

 

      11             MR. KELLY:  That makes it easier.

 

      12             Commercial identity monument signs on

 

      13        Cecil Commerce Parkway and I-10, it says up to

 

      14        four, and then the allowable square footage is

 

      15        200 square feet.

 

      16             Given the amount of frontage, I think the

 

      17        department was initially concerned with the

 

      18        proliferation of signage along the limited

 

      19        access and we were negotiable into kind of

 

      20        creating the hierarchy and understand the need

 

      21        to identify the overall development.

 

      22             Initially, we had concerns with doing very

 

      23        specific individual parcel signage along that

 

      24        limited access, so we --

 

      25             We basically threw out a number at Planning

 

 

 

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       1        Commission.  It was four.  The applicant was

 

       2        agreeable to it.  I just had concerns about the

 

       3        square footage not showing.  So if there's a

 

       4        number in between there -- maybe 200 is fine,

 

       5        given the amount of frontage.

 

       6             Sorry to bring this up at this hour.

 

       7             MR. HAINLINE:  Yeah.  This is the first

 

       8        I've heard of this concern.

 

       9             I'm either happy to work with Mr. Kelly to

 

      10        see if we can come to an agreement on that

 

      11        between now and Tuesday or -- I mean, I just

 

      12        haven't talked to my client or anything as --

 

      13        because we thought 200 for those particular

 

      14        signs was okay.

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Well, thank you,

 

      16        Mr. Kelly.

 

      17             Before we open the public hearing, this is

 

      18        a quasi-judicial matter, does anybody have any

 

      19        ex-parte communication to disclose?

 

      20             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing no one,

 

      22        then, the public hearing is open.

 

      23             And, Mr. Hainline, I have your speaker

 

      24        card.  It's -- and that's the only one I have,

 

      25        so go ahead.

 

 

 

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       1             MR. HAINLINE:  I guess Councilman Davis

 

       2        suggested that maybe I go through the access

 

       3        issue just to explain to y'all what has happened

 

       4        here, if I understood it.

 

       5             It would be helpful if y'all had this site

 

       6        plan in front of you as I'm explaining it.

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  Well, as that's being passed

 

       8        out, do you agree to all the conditions that

 

       9        were read into the record?

 

      10             MR. HAINLINE:  I do agree.

 

      11             I incorporated the four -- maximum of four

 

      12        signs into the written description, so I don't

 

      13        know that it also needs a condition.

 

      14             Was that 6 or 7, Sean?  I left my thing

 

      15        back up there.

 

      16             MR. KELLY:  That would be condition 6.

 

      17             And then, effectively, we'd be just

 

      18        allowing the 200 square feet by -- through the

 

      19        incorporation of the written description.

 

      20             MR. HAINLINE:  Correct.

 

      21             So, I mean, I -- I agreed with all the

 

      22        conditions, but I don't know that we need that

 

      23        number 6 now.  So it would be 1 through, what --

 

      24             MR. KELLY:  Correct.  We would strike 5, 6,

 

      25        and 7.

 

 

 

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       1             MR. HAINLINE:  That's 1 through 4, yes.

 

       2             So, Mr. Chairman, I agree to conditions 1

 

       3        through 4.

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  My condition 5 was the truck

 

       5        courts.  Are we striking that?

 

       6             MR. HAINLINE:  Yes.

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  All right.

 

       8             MR. HAINLINE:  We've incorporated that into

 

       9        the written description, Mr. Chairman.

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Do you want to

 

      11        address the access?

 

      12             MR. HAINLINE:  Sure.  This gives some

 

      13        background.

 

      14             This property has an outstanding location

 

      15        at the southeast quadrant of I-10 and Cecil

 

      16        Commerce Center Parkway, but it has challenging

 

      17        access.  Its only access is at Halsema Road,

 

      18        which is on the east side of the property.  And

 

      19        although it might appear that Halsema Road

 

      20        intersects with Interstate 10 there at the north

 

      21        end of the site, it doesn't.  There's actually

 

      22        an overpass of Halsema.  Halsema passes over

 

      23        I-10.  So the only access is just a little bit

 

      24        distance up at Beaver, at US-90.

 

      25             The other thing about Halsema is that it

 

 

 

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       1        extends all the way down to Cecil Commerce

 

       2        Center, to the boundary of Cecil Commerce

 

       3        Center; that is, the publicly-owned and

 

       4        dedicated right-of-way extends all the way down

 

       5        to the boundary of Cecil Commerce Center.  It is

 

       6        not paved that entire distance.

 

       7             It essentially is paved down to Turkey

 

       8        Road, which you see on the site plan there.

 

       9        It's unpaved past that.  So the developer of

 

      10        this property, whoever that may be -- because I

 

      11        represent the current owner.  The developer of

 

      12        this property is either going to have to run a

 

      13        spine road through the property, such as we are

 

      14        proposing in the PUD, or, alternatively, the

 

      15        developer could be provided access from Halsema,

 

      16        both at the north end and the south end, because

 

      17        we have frontage on Halsema, the dedicated

 

      18        right-of-way at the north end and the south end.

 

      19             What we learned from the neighbors is that

 

      20        they had a variety of concerns, but one of their

 

      21        main concerns was that Halsema -- particularly

 

      22        south of Powell.  You see, Powell is at the

 

      23        north end of Halsema there.  It says it right on

 

      24        the site plan, "Powell Road."

 

      25             South of Powell Road, Halsema is all

 

 

 

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       1        residential, and they never wanted Halsema to be

 

       2        used for anything other than residential uses.

 

       3        If some day somebody wanted to connect Cecil to

 

       4        Halsema, the right-of-way of Halsema at the

 

       5        south end, that would be a bad thing for them.

 

       6             They also did not want us to connect at the

 

       7        south end, and they wanted our intersection with

 

       8        our spine road and Halsema at the north end to

 

       9        be designed in such a way such that users and

 

      10        trucks and such from this property would --

 

      11        would never get lost by turning down Halsema

 

      12        essentially.

 

      13             So what we said is we would redesign that

 

      14        intersection at the north end.  We said that we

 

      15        would run the spine road down and to the

 

      16        boundary of Cecil Commerce, and that we would

 

      17        agree --

 

      18             Everybody was looking back there.  I

 

      19        wondered if there was a commotion back there.

 

      20             Okay.  And we agreed that we would run our

 

      21        spine road down, not only to Cecil Commerce

 

      22        Center, but through -- down to World Commerce

 

      23        Center Boulevard.  And, thanks to Councilman

 

      24        Davis, we did meet with Hillwood, and Hillwood

 

      25        is amenable to that kind of through access.

 

 

 

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       1             In fact, Hillwood shows a light industrial

 

       2        site immediately adjacent, to the south of us,

 

       3        and it shows a road cul-de-sacking up at our

 

       4        property.  So access through, down to World

 

       5        Commerce Center, is consistent with Hillwood's

 

       6        plan as well.

 

       7             So, again, we agreed to redesign that north

 

       8        access, we agreed to access all the way down to

 

       9        and through Cecil Commerce Center, down to

 

      10        New World Avenue.  But we also agreed that once

 

      11        that construction was commenced, that we would

 

      12        apply to close Halsema at its end, thereby

 

      13        making sure that Halsema, south of Powell Road

 

      14        down to Turkey, would always be a residential

 

      15        road for those neighbors there.  That was the

 

      16        basic consensus agreement on the access issue.

 

      17             And I'm happy to elaborate on any of the

 

      18        other issues that were brought up during these

 

      19        discussions.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Hainline.

 

      21             Any questions from the committee?

 

      22             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Davis, did you have a

 

      24        question?

 

      25             MR. DAVIS:  No.

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Anybody else have a

 

       2        question?

 

       3             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Thank you, sir.

 

       5             Mr. Davis.

 

       6             MR. DAVIS:  Yes.  I agree with everything

 

       7        Mr. Hainline said.

 

       8             One thing, if you'll look on the -- do they

 

       9        have the first entryway sheet?

 

      10             MR. HAINLINE:  Yes, they do.  It's stapled

 

      11        to their -- it's what's called at the top

 

      12        Exhibit E-1, "Halsema Road Intersection

 

      13        Design."

 

      14             MR. DAVIS:  Okay.  I think we've come up

 

      15        with -- through a series of meetings -- we had

 

      16        traffic engineers at the meetings -- come up

 

      17        with a pretty good design that's going to help

 

      18        the community keep the truck traffic off of

 

      19        their local roads.

 

      20             The only question I have is -- at

 

      21        Powell Road there's an entryway to the

 

      22        commercial warehouse community.  I think it

 

      23        would be better if the -- if the entrance was

 

      24        further down at the curb, past the entryway to

 

      25        the community, just to allow the community to

 

 

 

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       1        try to continue as much of that neighborhood

 

       2        feel without having to -- when they drive out on

 

       3        Powell Road, to see the commercial uses.

 

       4             What I would like to do, committee, if it's

 

       5        okay, between now and Tuesday night, work with

 

       6        the Planning Department to see if there -- if

 

       7        you can move the road -- the entryway down and

 

       8        then create a cul-de-sac situation where people

 

       9        can get to the -- the hotel or whatever it's

 

      10        going to be up on the north part, but I --

 

      11        that's -- I really feel more comfortable with

 

      12        that.

 

      13             I believe there was some type of -- there

 

      14        obviously was discussion about this, and I

 

      15        believe -- on my end I thought there was

 

      16        consensus, but Mr. Hainline heard it different,

 

      17        so I want to work with Mr. Hainline over the

 

      18        next week to -- to solve that issue, if that's

 

      19        okay with the committee.

 

      20             But, besides that, I'm good with this, and

 

      21        I'm excited that we came to some resolution so

 

      22        you guys didn't have to listen to hours and

 

      23        hours of bickering.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Davis.

 

      25        Appreciate that.

 

 

 

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       1             Any other questions for Mr. Hainline?

 

       2             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Anyone else care

 

       4        to address the committee?

 

       5             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing no one,

 

       7        the public hearing is closed.

 

       8             So between now and Tuesday, Mr. Davis,

 

       9        you're going to work with --

 

      10             MR. DAVIS:  Yes.

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  -- the Planning Department

 

      12        and Mr. Hainline.

 

      13             And then what about the signage issue?

 

      14             Sean, are you going to work with

 

      15        Mr. Hainline between now and Tuesday on that and

 

      16        get that cleaned up?

 

      17             MR. KELLY:  After speaking with Mr. Crofts,

 

      18        the department is fairly comfortable with --

 

      19        given the limited additional number of signs and

 

      20        the lower height, that the area is not such an

 

      21        issue.

 

      22             I was going to suggest perhaps a condition

 

      23        at this point just regarding the relocation of

 

      24        that access point, subject to the review and

 

      25        approval of the Planning and Development

 

 

 

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       1        Department, if that would, at this juncture, you

 

       2        know, be a good thing to do.

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Hainline, are you okay

 

       4        with that?

 

       5             MR. HAINLINE:  Well, I guess, first, I

 

       6        don't know whether Councilman Davis is

 

       7        comfortable with it, but we --

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  I was going to ask him next.

 

       9             MR. HAINLINE:  Okay.  I probably would be

 

      10        comfortable with that, but there are a couple of

 

      11        moving parts as to relocating that entrance, one

 

      12        being a JEA easement and some other things, so

 

      13        I --

 

      14             MR. DAVIS:  I don't want to waste any more

 

      15        of your time on the committee tonight.  I should

 

      16        bring you a baked solution to council on Tuesday

 

      17        night on both of these issues, and I promise

 

      18        I'll do that.

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Thank you very

 

      20        much.

 

      21             Thank you, Mr. Hainline.

 

      22             We'll wait till Tuesday.

 

      23             So we have an amendment.  The amendment now

 

      24        is just the four conditions, 1 through 4.

 

      25             Is there a motion on the amendment?

 

 

 

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       1             MR. BISHOP:  Move the amendment.

 

       2             MR. HOLT:  Second.

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion by Mr. Bishop, second

 

       4        by Mr. Holt.

 

       5             Any discussion on the amendment?

 

       6             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  All those in favor say yes.

 

       8             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Yes.

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  Opposed say no.

 

      10             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  By our action, you've

 

      12        approved the amendment.

 

      13             MR. HOLT:  Move the bill as amended.

 

      14             MR. BISHOP:  Second.

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion on the bill as

 

      16        amended by Mr. Holt, second by Mr. Bishop.

 

      17             Discussion on the bill as amended?

 

      18             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing none, open the ballot

 

      20        and vote.

 

      21             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      22             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

      23             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      24             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

      25             MR. D. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

 

 

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       1             MR. R. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       2             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

       3             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       4             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

       5             MS. LAHMEUR:  Seven yeas, zero nay.

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

       7        approved item 34, 2010-620.

 

       8             Thank you, Mr. Davis.

 

       9             MR. DAVIS:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  Anything else?

 

      11             MR. DAVIS:  No, sir.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Are you going to

 

      13        Tallahassee tomorrow?

 

      14             MR. DAVIS:  I think that's Friday.

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  Oh, Friday.  Okay.

 

      16             (Mr. R. Brown exits the proceedings.)

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Members of the

 

      18        committee, we will return back to page 2 of our

 

      19        agenda.

 

      20             Item 2, 2010-395 [sic] is deferred this

 

      21        evening.

 

      22             That brings us to item 3, 2010-447.

 

      23             Mr. Kelly.

 

      24             MR. KELLY:  This application has actually

 

      25        been amended to reflect a -- more restrictive

 

 

 

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       1        setbacks.  So the request is basically, at this

 

       2        point, to sub and rerefer this back to LUZ

 

       3        because the request is going from 200 feet to

 

       4        143 instead of 154 feet.  So we would like to

 

       5        get this subbed and rereferred tonight.

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Thank you, sir.

 

       7             We have a public hearing scheduled on this

 

       8        matter this evening.  The public hearing is

 

       9        open.  I have no speaker cards.

 

      10             Anyone care to address the committee?

 

      11             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing no one,

 

      13        then, the public hearing will be continued until

 

      14        September 21st.

 

      15             MR. JOOST:  Move the substitute.

 

      16             MR. HOLT:  Second.

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion on the substitute by

 

      18        Mr. Joost, second by Mr. Holt.

 

      19             Discussion?

 

      20             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  If not, open the ballot.

 

      22             Oh, voice.  I'm sorry.

 

      23             All those in favor say yes.

 

      24             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Aye.

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  Opposed say no.

 

 

 

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       1             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

       3        adopted the substitute and --

 

       4             MR. HOLT:  Move to rerefer as substituted.

 

       5             MR. JOOST:  Second.

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion to rerefer by

 

       7        Mr. Holt, second by Mr. Joost.

 

       8             Discussion on the rereferral?

 

       9             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  If none, open the ballot,

 

      11        vote.

 

      12             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      13             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

      14             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      15             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

      16             MR. D. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      17             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      18             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      19             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      20             MS. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nay.

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

      22        approved the rereferral of 2010-447.

 

      23             Page 3.  Item 4, 2010-480.

 

      24             Mr. Crofts.

 

      25             MR. CROFTS:  Again, item 4, ordinance

 

 

 

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       1        2010-480, is proposed -- is a proposed land use

 

       2        amendment to the future land use map series of

 

       3        the 2030 Comprehensive Plan seeking to modify

 

       4        1.29 acres located at the northwest corner of

 

       5        Kings Road and Flag Street.

 

       6             This property is located in the Northwest

 

       7        Planning District and Council District 9.

 

       8        Again, the request is from RPI,

 

       9        residential-professional-institutional, to NC,

 

      10        neighborhood commercial.

 

      11             The Planning and Development staff has

 

      12        conducted a review of this item in terms of

 

      13        its -- again, its compatibility with the

 

      14        surrounding land uses, the impacts on those

 

      15        uses, consistency with the applicable plans and

 

      16        infrastructure, and the overall impacts on the

 

      17        related and adjacent neighborhoods and

 

      18        recommends approval.

 

      19             We would point out that we think that this

 

      20        project is key to some revitalization efforts

 

      21        into the area and provides a nucleus for that

 

      22        intent.

 

      23             It is also consistent with the Northwest

 

      24        Vision and Master Plan and several provisions,

 

      25        again, of the 2030 Comprehensive Plan.

 

 

 

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       1             Staff recommends approval.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Crofts.

 

       3             We have a public hearing scheduled on this

 

       4        this evening.  The public hearing is open.  I

 

       5        have no speaker cards.

 

       6             Anyone care to address the committee?

 

       7             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing no one, the public

 

       9        hearing is closed.

 

      10             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill.

 

      11             MR. HOLT:  Second.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion on the bill by

 

      13        Mr. Joost, second by Mr. Holt.

 

      14             Discussion?

 

      15             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  If not, open the ballot,

 

      17        vote.

 

      18             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      19             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

      20             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      21             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

      22             MR. D. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      23             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      24             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      25             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

 

 

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       1             MS. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nay.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  By our action, you've

 

       3        approved item 4, 2010-480.

 

       4             Item 5.  Mr. Kelly.

 

       5             MR. KELLY:  Thank you.

 

       6             To the Chair and committee members,

 

       7        ordinance 2010-481 is the companion rezoning for

 

       8        this subject property, approximately 1.29 acres

 

       9        on New Kings Road.

 

      10             The department finds this rezoning, again,

 

      11        consistent with the future land use proposed to

 

      12        neighborhood commercial.  This is, again,

 

      13        neighborhood commercial types of uses that will

 

      14        be allowed, and finds it consistent with the

 

      15        New Kings Road corridor section of that study,

 

      16        which also encourages commercial infill, and

 

      17        it's -- the department is supporting this

 

      18        request.

 

      19             The Planning Commission approved it subject

 

      20        to the four conditions dated -- in the letter to

 

      21        Council President Webb dated August 26th.

 

      22             The memo from the traffic engineer was

 

      23        handed out just prior to the meeting, as it was

 

      24        not in the book, but the department is

 

      25        recommending approval subject to those four

 

 

 

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       1        conditions.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Thank you,

 

       3        Mr. Kelly.

 

       4             This is a quasi-judicial matter.  Does

 

       5        anyone have any ex-parte communication to

 

       6        disclose?

 

       7             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing none, we

 

       9        also have a public hearing scheduled this

 

      10        evening.  The public hearing is open.  I have no

 

      11        speaker cards.

 

      12             Anyone care to address the committee?

 

      13             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing no one, the public

 

      15        hearing is --

 

      16             MR. REINGOLD:  Through the Chair.

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  I'm sorry.  Mr. Reingold.

 

      18             MR. REINGOLD:  This is kind of an awkward

 

      19        situation.  We've got a PUD; therefore, we've

 

      20        got an extra condition that discusses that the

 

      21        development will subject -- be subject to the

 

      22        Development Services memorandum, but I don't

 

      23        have anyone here to say, yeah, they agree to

 

      24        that, and so --

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  Was the -- the Planning

 

 

 

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       1        Commission only adopted three --

 

       2             How many conditions did the Planning

 

       3        Department -- I mean, did the Planning

 

       4        Commission adopt?

 

       5             MR. KELLY:  The Planning Commission adopted

 

       6        the four conditions in the letter dated

 

       7        August 26th.

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  And this memo was not part

 

       9        of those conditions?

 

      10             MR. KELLY:  Oh, the memo was.  It just was

 

      11        not in the LUZ book.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Well, I'm confused,

 

      13        then.

 

      14             What else do we need to get on the record?

 

      15             MR. REINGOLD:  I'm sorry.  I just wasn't

 

      16        aware that -- at the Planning Commission

 

      17        meeting, did the applicant --

 

      18             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Yes, we did agree.

 

      19             My name is Patti Lewis.  I'm representing

 

      20        the owner.

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  Ms. Lewis, hang on one

 

      22        second.

 

      23             Mr. Reingold.

 

      24             MR. REINGOLD:  I needed to hear that, but

 

      25        why don't we get her name and address and the

 

 

 

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       1        like on the record.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Thank you,

 

       3        Mr. Reingold.

 

       4             Ma'am, would you just hang on one second on

 

       5        filling out that card?  Will you just give us

 

       6        your name and address and then just -- will you

 

       7        respond to whether or not you accept the

 

       8        conditions that were referenced here in the

 

       9        meeting tonight?

 

      10             MS. LEWIS:  Yes, sir.

 

      11             My name is Patti Lewis.  My address is 2927

 

      12        West 9th Street.

 

      13             I'm representing the owner, the Kimmik

 

      14        Corporation, and we did agree.

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  And do we have a

 

      16        registration of representation on file?

 

      17             MR. REINGOLD:  I actually have -- in the

 

      18        ordinance itself, it says that the applicant

 

      19        listed in the application is Patti L. Lewis.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Thank you, Ms. Lewis.

 

      21             Any questions for Ms. Lewis?

 

      22             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Thank you.

 

      24             If you'll just finish completing that card

 

      25        and just leave it in the basket.

 

 

 

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       1             All right.  So we're okay with the four

 

       2        conditions, then?

 

       3             MR. REINGOLD:  (Nods head.)

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  Is there an amendment on the

 

       5        four conditions?

 

       6             MR. BISHOP:  Move the amendment.

 

       7             MR. JOOST:  Second.

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion by Mr. Bishop, second

 

       9        by Mr. Joost.

 

      10             Discussion?

 

      11             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing none, all those in

 

      13        favor say yes.

 

      14             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Yes.

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  Opposed say no.

 

      16             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

      18        adopted the amendment.

 

      19             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill as amended.

 

      20             MR. HOLT:  Second.

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion on the bill as

 

      22        amended by Mr. Joost, second by Mr. Holt.

 

      23             Discussion?

 

      24             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing none, open the

 

 

 

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       1        ballot.

 

       2             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

       3             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

       4             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

       5             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

       6             MR. D. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       7             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

       8             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       9             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  Ring the bell.

 

      11             MS. LAHMEUR:  It's not working.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  It's not working?

 

      13             See, it was that bell we heard earlier

 

      14        during Mr. Abraham's testimony.  It got out

 

      15        ahead of schedule.

 

      16             Steve, do we need to take a little recess?

 

      17             MR. CASSADA:  (Inaudible.)

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  We have some

 

      19        technical issues, so we're going to take a --

 

      20        how much time do you need?

 

      21             MR. CASSADA:  (Inaudible.)

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  We'll take a brief

 

      23        recess, about five minutes, until they can get

 

      24        the computer back up and running.

 

      25             So we'll take a five-minute recess.

 

 

 

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       1             (Brief recess.)

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  I think we have our

 

       3        problems resolved.  So if I can get the

 

       4        committee members to return to their seats, we

 

       5        will reconvene the LUZ meeting.

 

       6             Okay.  We're going to reconvene the LUZ

 

       7        meeting.  It is about ten minutes to 6:00.

 

       8             I think we had a motion and a second on

 

       9        item 5, 2010-481, and we were getting ready to

 

      10        vote, so open the ballot, vote.

 

      11             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      12             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

      13             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      14             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

      15             MR. D. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      16             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      17             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      18             (Committee ballot closed.).

 

      19             MS. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nay.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you have

 

      21        approved item 5, 2010-481.

 

      22             Item 6, at the bottom of the page.

 

      23             Mr. Crofts.

 

      24             MR. CROFTS:  Item 6, ordinance 2010-484,

 

      25        seeks to modify the land use designation on four

 

 

 

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       1        lots comprising a little less than one acre on

 

       2        the north side of Loretto Road, east of San Jose

 

       3        Boulevard, in the greater Mandarin area in

 

       4        Council District 6.

 

       5             The subject site is not adjacent to another

 

       6        nonresidential land use but abuts single-family

 

       7        homes to the north and east and it's part of the

 

       8        Mandarin Terrace subdivision.  There are no RPI

 

       9        uses in the immediate area of this application

 

      10        site, therefore, the land use amendment and the

 

      11        companion rezoning, in our opinion, would

 

      12        encroach into an established residential

 

      13        neighborhood and could, more importantly, set a

 

      14        precedent for further RPI encroachment into that

 

      15        single-family area along Loretto Road.

 

      16             In addition, Lofton Alley, to the west,

 

      17        serves as a barrier from the commercial

 

      18        interests that currently exist along San Jose

 

      19        Boulevard.

 

      20             The nodal areas between those two roads,

 

      21        where the access to the businesses is, is from

 

      22        San Jose Boulevard.  In our opinion, the

 

      23        requested RPI is inconsistent with policies

 

      24        1.117 and .118 of the 2030 Comprehensive Plan.

 

      25             Finally, the proposed amendment is

 

 

 

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       1        inconsistent with the adjoining land uses.  It's

 

       2        not an appropriate infill location, it's not

 

       3        part of a mixed-use or multiuse development.

 

       4        Therefore, again, the amendment is inconsistent

 

       5        with several provisions of the comprehensive

 

       6        plan.  We don't feel it's -- creates a

 

       7        compatible land use pattern nor is appropriate

 

       8        infill and creates, again, a horrible precedent

 

       9        for future land use requests along this stretch

 

      10        of Loretto Road.

 

      11             Staff recommends denial.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Crofts.

 

      13             And the Planning Commission also voted

 

      14        denial?

 

      15             MR. CROFTS:  That's correct.

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, sir.

 

      17             I have three speakers' cards on this.  We

 

      18        have a public hearing scheduled this evening.

 

      19             The public hearing is open.  I have a

 

      20        speaker card from Mr. Boswell and also Mr. Riley

 

      21        and Mr. Duquette.

 

      22             If Mr. Riley and Mr. Duquette will make

 

      23        their way to the front row to kind of speed

 

      24        things up.

 

      25             Mr. Boswell.

 

 

 

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       1             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

       2             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Yes.  Dan Boswell, 4014

 

       3        Ranie Road, Jacksonville, Florida, representing

 

       4        the owner of the property.

 

       5             It is -- actually, it's four residential

 

       6        homesites that face Loretto Road, directly

 

       7        across from the entrance and exit of the

 

       8        shopping center there.  This is a terrible place

 

       9        for residential homes to be because their backup

 

      10        of traffic from San Jose on Loretto Road creates

 

      11        an impossible situation for residential traffic

 

      12        to back out of their driveways onto Loretto

 

      13        because usually the traffic is backed -- backed

 

      14        up past these homesites.

 

      15             My proposal was to change this into -- for

 

      16        an RPI use for professional office -- offices

 

      17        only -- doctors, attorneys, dentists -- and to

 

      18        remove those driveways, which would remove the

 

      19        traffic hazard for those people that are backing

 

      20        out in the road.

 

      21             The entrance and exit -- if you have a copy

 

      22        of the PUD plan there -- would put all the

 

      23        parking in the rear of the homesites presently.

 

      24             There will be no architectural changes to

 

      25        the homesites.  They would retain their

 

 

 

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       1        residential appearance.  All the parking, as I

 

       2        said, would be in the rear.  There would be

 

       3        buffering in between the homesites so that, if

 

       4        you were to drive by, you wouldn't see any

 

       5        vehicles parked in the rear.  And there's

 

       6        adequate buffering in both the rear and the side

 

       7        abutting another residential property.

 

       8             This is -- not only is it -- is it not a

 

       9        good thing for -- a good area for residents --

 

      10        residential homes to be there, but it's also a

 

      11        perfect, in my opinion, buffering between the

 

      12        heavy commercial and the residential homesites

 

      13        behind it.

 

      14             And that's all I have to say.

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Boswell.

 

      16             Any questions from the committee?

 

      17             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing no one,

 

      19        Mr. Riley, you're next.

 

      20             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

      21             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  I'm Bob Riley, 7350

 

      22        Cumbria Boulevard.

 

      23             I'm recently retired from the Planning and

 

      24        Development Department after 37 years, so it's

 

      25        nice to be back before you in a different way.

 

 

 

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       1        And I was very active in land use planning,

 

       2        particularly for the last 20 years.  I probably

 

       3        authored 95, 98 percent of all land use

 

       4        amendments and companion rezonings to the land

 

       5        use amendments over the last 12 to 15 years.

 

       6             I'm here to indicate support for this

 

       7        amendment and also the companion rezoning.  I

 

       8        bring to your attention that we have full

 

       9        support of the CPAC of -- the southeast district

 

      10        CPAC.

 

      11             This use is really what we looked at years

 

      12        ago when we came up with the comprehensive plan

 

      13        and the use of an RPI as a textbook situation of

 

      14        using the RPI to buffer commercial uses and

 

      15        residential, in particular single-family.

 

      16             You will find this scenario, which the

 

      17        department supported over and over again

 

      18        throughout the city -- and I'll just cite some

 

      19        roads where you can find this:  Plummer Road,

 

      20        San Jose Boulevard, Merrill Road, San Juan

 

      21        Avenue, Spring Gardens Road, Timuquana, 103rd

 

      22        Street, Rogero Road, and there's many others

 

      23        that are very similar.

 

      24             And the situation with these parcels are,

 

      25        they are having to endure the backup of traffic,

 

 

 

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       1        the congestion that occurs there, the fact that

 

       2        this plan will bring four driveways down to one,

 

       3        and that you will -- these all face across to a

 

       4        shopping center with a low profile of landscaped

 

       5        area, it's not even bermed or anything, and it's

 

       6        a major Winn-Dixie shopping center.

 

       7             Comments were made back at the Planning

 

       8        Commission about the Mandarin plan.  The

 

       9        Mandarin plan is over 30 years old.  And back

 

      10        then, there was a lot of amendments that we even

 

      11        adopted with the comp plan in 1990.  And even

 

      12        with this one, you've got a use across the

 

      13        street that wasn't even there with any of those

 

      14        plans.  In fact, that shopping center was built

 

      15        in 1995.

 

      16             I would like to say that the RPI is the

 

      17        most appropriate land use for this location due

 

      18        to the heavy traffic situations and the major

 

      19        community shopping center, and it is an

 

      20        excellent CG- -- transition from the CGC

 

      21        immediately to the west, which has a doggy poo

 

      22        place for maintaining dogs and everything.

 

      23             And, in fact, a number of the other

 

      24        commercial uses fronting San Jose come out onto

 

      25        this roadway that -- to the south -- to the east

 

 

 

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       1        of them, and it does help to square off

 

       2        commercial uses so they face each other.

 

       3             So the RPI is the most plausible and best

 

       4        use for this particular situation, and the

 

       5        department is -- endorsed this for years and

 

       6        years and years on innumerable places and times.

 

       7             Thank you very much.

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Riley.

 

       9             Any questions for Mr. Riley?

 

      10             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Riley, how was -- how

 

      12        was it to be on that side of the podium?

 

      13             MR. RILEY:  Probably a little bit more

 

      14        nervous.

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  I think you got off easy.

 

      16             MR. RILEY:  Thank you.

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Mr. Duquette.

 

      18             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

      19               AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Good evening.

 

      20             Will Duquette.  I live at 3051 Loretto

 

      21        Road.

 

      22             I'm the exact opposite of him.  I've never

 

      23        been here, didn't know you guys are doing this.

 

      24        God bless you, love you, don't want any part of

 

      25        this again.

 

 

 

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       1             I'm the owner of the properties in question

 

       2        here, and I've been living in 31- -- 3051

 

       3        Loretto Road for the last year, and I can tell

 

       4        you that rezoning this to a commercial/office

 

       5        use that we'd like to do this with will create

 

       6        much more harmony with the entire area.

 

       7             First, improvement to the properties.

 

       8        There's three properties that, if this does not

 

       9        get zoned commercial, I am very seriously

 

      10        considering letting go back, foreclosure, let --

 

      11        just give them back, whatever.  I'm not going to

 

      12        do any improvements to these properties until

 

      13        this is decided.  And if it's decided

 

      14        negatively, it's -- you know, it's just going to

 

      15        be an eyesore.

 

      16             Accidents, I've seen them, watched them

 

      17        happen out in front where neighbors are backing

 

      18        out into Loretto Road, swerve to miss a dog from

 

      19        the tenants.  I've seen accidents on this road

 

      20        probably -- I can think of four of them off the

 

      21        top of my head right there in front of the road

 

      22        where people have to back into it and -- so that

 

      23        would definitely be a challenge.

 

      24             A couple of things I did not speak about is

 

      25        the little hanging utility lines that will go

 

 

 

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       1        across the road, the trucks that go by with

 

       2        those branches sticking out of their trucks rip

 

       3        down those lines consistently throughout the

 

       4        entire year.  So that would be changed.  We have

 

       5        one pole that would come across the street from

 

       6        JEA.  I've already talked to them about it.  It

 

       7        would run down underneath, utilities

 

       8        underground, so that would eliminate that

 

       9        problem that literally happens three or four

 

      10        times a year.

 

      11             CPAC is 100 percent behind it.  All the

 

      12        neighbors have come by with the orange signs out

 

      13        front, have said, "Hey, if you need me to sign

 

      14        anything, I'm very much for this.  I like it, I

 

      15        want it."

 

      16             The neighbors in the back, where John --

 

      17        Mr. Crofts has said about the encroachment to

 

      18        the residential area, they've actually come

 

      19        forward and said, "We'd love to have that,"

 

      20        because now they have their neighborhood quieter

 

      21        because there's not so many tenants.

 

      22             There's -- the tenants that I've been

 

      23        getting into these properties, unfortunately,

 

      24        are less desirable.  There's a high traffic

 

      25        area, there's a high drug [sic].  Matter of

 

 

 

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       1        fact, the guy that lives next door was just

 

       2        arrested a couple of months ago for drug -- drug

 

       3        trafficking.

 

       4             The property that I'm actually in a few

 

       5        years ago had prostitution in it, so it really

 

       6        just draws a very bad element to that area as a

 

       7        rental, whereas professional buildings, of

 

       8        course, that would not.

 

       9             This is across from Winn-Dixie.  It's a

 

      10        huge, major intersection.  It's already --

 

      11        pretty much looks commercial already.

 

      12             Let's see.  And basically it -- overall

 

      13        clean it up.  I mean, there would be -- there

 

      14        would be three driveways that would be

 

      15        eliminated, and it would be traffic where you

 

      16        can pull in and out on the side road as well as

 

      17        the front road.

 

      18             And I just really look for your support in

 

      19        doing this, and thank you for what you guys do.

 

      20        Appreciate it.

 

      21             Thank you.

 

      22             Any questions for me?

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Duquette.

 

      24             Do we have any questions from the

 

      25        committee?

 

 

 

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       1             I'm sorry.  Mr. Bishop.

 

       2             MR. BISHOP:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

 

       3             Mr. Duquette, thanks for being here.  I

 

       4        don't know if this is the right question for you

 

       5        or any of the other speakers, but I am familiar

 

       6        with Loretto Road, and you are right, it is a

 

       7        very highly traveled, congested location.

 

       8             I guess the question I have is, how will

 

       9        this proposal improve that?

 

      10             MR. DUQUETTE:  Well, the main things I

 

      11        talked about was the tenants that are living

 

      12        there is high traffic coming in and out all day

 

      13        long.  There's parking in the rear that we have

 

      14        subjected to for all these offices, that they'll

 

      15        be pulling out mainly to the side street where

 

      16        there is no access at all for Loretto Road.

 

      17        There's a side street that's almost never used

 

      18        by almost anyone there, and that's where a lot

 

      19        of traffic will be coming in and out, on a side

 

      20        street, rather than straight onto Loretto Road.

 

      21             And even when it is straight onto Loretto

 

      22        Road, people are pulling out, they can look --

 

      23        you know, they're driving forward rather than

 

      24        backing up into Loretto Road.

 

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       1        these properties -- the mail person comes down

 

       2        with a truck.  When they stop to put mail in,

 

       3        people are beeping, almost hitting that truck,

 

       4        you know, coming down the road as well.

 

       5             Plus, the tenants have dogs that keep

 

       6        running out into the street right there as well.

 

       7             And the overall improvement.  Like I said,

 

       8        this gets rezoned, that gives me a reason to go

 

       9        clean these properties up and make them look

 

      10        very presentable and nice.

 

      11             So those are the major areas, as well as it

 

      12        will be a huge buffer between the residents,

 

      13        which are behind.  We're going to put a nice,

 

      14        big fence up there as well as a big -- a buffer

 

      15        with greenery.

 

      16             MR. BISHOP:  So rezoning this property is

 

      17        the only reason you would keep these properties

 

      18        up?

 

      19             MR. DUQUETTE:  Well, these -- three of

 

      20        them, yes, because of how much I owe on them, to

 

      21        be quite honest.  I don't know if you noticed,

 

      22        the economy kind of crashed with real estate

 

      23        and --

 

      24             MR. BISHOP:  You are aware we have property

 

      25        safety and code laws with respect to property

 

 

 

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       1        upkeep and those sorts of things?

 

       2             MR. DUQUETTE:  Yeah.  What I'm saying is

 

       3        I'm not going to improve them.  They're there,

 

       4        they're existing, they're not -- they're not

 

       5        falling apart and dilapidated, and I'm not going

 

       6        to improve -- you know, overimprove them, like I

 

       7        would with the commercial.  The commercial, I'd

 

       8        go -- they'd be all completely upgraded, looking

 

       9        very, very good and real nice, so --

 

      10             And, I mean, the corner lot that we're

 

      11        talking about, they -- literally, I don't know

 

      12        what's going on on that property.  They have,

 

      13        like, eight, ten cars parked there, you know,

 

      14        every single night.  So, again, it just -- it

 

      15        really just draws a bad element of tenant, where

 

      16        if I got professional buildings in there, it

 

      17        would not be there.

 

      18             MR. BISHOP:  Thank you.

 

      19             MR. DUQUETTE:  Thank you.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Duquette, you're not

 

      21        aware of anybody in opposition?

 

      22             MR. DUQUETTE:  Not that I -- no, not that

 

      23        I'm aware of, no.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  I have a -- I got an e-mail

 

      25        from -- August 31st, from Tracey Arpen, who used

 

 

 

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       1        to be at the General Counsel's office for the

 

       2        City.  Do you know him?

 

       3             MR. DUQUETTE:  No, sir.

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  I think he lives on Loretto

 

       5        Road, but I'm not sure where.  But he was -- he

 

       6        was opposed.  I think all the committee members

 

       7        were copied.  But you haven't had any

 

       8        interaction with him?

 

       9             MR. DUQUETTE:  I have not, no.

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  All right.

 

      11        Thank you.

 

      12             Any other questions for Mr. Duquette?

 

      13             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Any other

 

      15        speakers care to address the committee?

 

      16             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing no one, the public

 

      18        hearing is closed.

 

      19             MR. JOOST:  Move to deny.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion to deny by Mr. Joost.

 

      21             MR. BISHOP:  Second.

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  Second by Mr. Bishop.

 

      23             Mr. Bishop for discussion.

 

      24             MR. BISHOP:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

 

      25             One of the things that concerns me about

 

 

 

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       1        this, when I see the site plan of the existing

 

       2        land use and -- is that -- the discussion was

 

       3        that this is compatible with the existing

 

       4        shopping center across the street, provides a

 

       5        buffer, that sort of thing, the Planning

 

       6        Department said it would be a potential impetus

 

       7        for future encroachment.  These particular four

 

       8        lots only take up half of the property --

 

       9        roughly half of the property that's opposite of

 

      10        the Winn-Dixie shopping center.

 

      11             So the first question that comes to my mind

 

      12        is, what happens when the guy next to that comes

 

      13        in and says, "Well, you just did this for the

 

      14        corner four lots.  What about the next four

 

      15        lots?"  And that, to me, tends to think that it

 

      16        could very easily result in scope creep.

 

      17             And while I'm sympathetic to some of the

 

      18        issues with respect to the current condition of

 

      19        the property, the current condition of the

 

      20        property, to me, isn't any reason to approve a

 

      21        land use change to something else that

 

      22        represents a more intensive use.

 

      23             The issue of power lines across the street

 

      24        is also not a reason to rezone something or

 

      25        change the land use.  That's a JEA utility

 

 

 

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       1        issue.

 

       2             So I'm not inclined to go for this one just

 

       3        because of -- I can clearly see how this could

 

       4        very well result in scope creep down Loretto

 

       5        Road, and I really don't think that's

 

       6        necessarily in the best interest of that area.

 

       7             Thank you.

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Bishop.

 

       9             Next on the queue is Councilmember Brown.

 

      10             Mr. Brown.

 

      11             MR. D. BROWN:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

 

      12             A question for John Crofts.

 

      13             John, you gave us a technical description

 

      14        of the department's concern, but we don't have a

 

      15        way of looking at declining desirability as a --

 

      16        as a residential unit in terms of what sounds

 

      17        like a pretty good transition to a professional

 

      18        office space.  This sounds like there might even

 

      19        be some -- some neighborhood improvements

 

      20        there.  But is the opposition just totally

 

      21        technical?

 

      22             MR. CROFTS:  Through the Chair, we have a

 

      23        lot of areas -- it was brought up about RPI

 

      24        throughout the -- we have a lot of areas that --

 

      25        of these arterials or collectors, minor

 

 

 

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       1        arterials, if you will, that are heavily

 

       2        trafficked and -- and that bothers me, that that

 

       3        would be the only reason that we would -- you

 

       4        know, we would consider some conversion to a

 

       5        higher use.

 

       6             But if I understand your question

 

       7        correctly, there -- yeah, we have the criteria,

 

       8        we have the compatibility, the consistency, the

 

       9        impacts and those types of things.  And, you

 

      10        know, we talked about the upkeep of the property

 

      11        and, you know, some of the issues with the

 

      12        decline of the property as it relates to tenants

 

      13        and things of that nature and the lack of home

 

      14        ownership.  There's nothing that we have that

 

      15        would evaluate it from that perspective, that

 

      16        would lead us toward some sort of positive

 

      17        evaluation.

 

      18             MR. D. BROWN:  Thank you.  Appreciate that.

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Brown.

 

      20             Mr. Holt.

 

      21             MR. HOLT:  Thank you.

 

      22             Through the Chair to Mr. Crofts or

 

      23        Mr. Kelly, just looking at this plan here,

 

      24        there's no indication in their application that

 

      25        they're going to commit to any improvements to

 

 

 

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       1        these homes?  I know the speaker just mentioned

 

       2        that, but is there any plan of changing the

 

       3        buildings in any way?

 

       4             MR. CROFTS:  If I'm not mistaken, I believe

 

       5        that there -- there was going to be no change,

 

       6        and I think I heard the -- the agent for the

 

       7        applicant indicate that there would be no

 

       8        architectural modifications to the exterior of

 

       9        these buildings, that they would look very

 

      10        residential in nature.  So I think that that

 

      11        was -- that is concluded in the -- in the PUD.

 

      12             MR. HOLT:  Right.

 

      13             Let me ask you something hypothetical.  If

 

      14        this applicant were to come back and -- and the

 

      15        PUD was not to convert these buildings but to

 

      16        actually build a new freestanding commercial,

 

      17        would your department be more likely to support

 

      18        that?

 

      19             MR. CROFTS:  To answer to your question, I

 

      20        think we'd be less likely to support it --

 

      21             MR. HOLT:  Okay.

 

      22             MR. CROFTS:  -- because we're concerned

 

      23        about the neighborhood along Loretto Road and

 

      24        behind these -- these particular four parcels of

 

      25        property.

 

 

 

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       1             MR. HOLT:  Okay.  Well, I appreciate that.

 

       2             And I tend to agree with Mr. Bishop, that

 

       3        if we approve this, then right down the road,

 

       4        someone could expect the same thing.

 

       5             I, personally, would be more likely to

 

       6        support something if they were going to build a

 

       7        new building on it and -- but converting --

 

       8        converting these homes and not even having

 

       9        anything in here where you commit to certain

 

      10        exterior products to make it a solid building, I

 

      11        just can't support that.

 

      12             Thank you.

 

      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Holt.

 

      14             Mr. Redman.

 

      15             MR. REDMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

 

      16             Can I call Mr. Duquette up and ask him a

 

      17        question?

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Duquette, would you mind

 

      19        coming back to the podium, please, for a

 

      20        question?

 

      21             (Mr. Duquette approaches the podium.)

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, sir.

 

      23             MR. REDMAN:  Thank you.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Redman.

 

      25             MR. REDMAN:  Yes.  These other five homes

 

 

 

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       1        along -- that are across the road from the

 

       2        shopping center, are they rental homes, or --

 

       3        are these rental properties, or do -- are they

 

       4        owner lived -- live in some of them?

 

       5             MR. DUQUETTE:  The four we're talking

 

       6        about?

 

       7             MR. REDMAN:  No.  The others along there.

 

       8             I know you've already --

 

       9             MR. DUQUETTE:  Like going down Loretto Road

 

      10        you're talking about?

 

      11             MR. REDMAN:  Right.

 

      12             MR. DUQUETTE:  Yeah.  As far as I know --

 

      13        as far as I know, the neighbors are there,

 

      14        they're all tenants that are living down there.

 

      15        And I'm only owner/occupant because I'm actually

 

      16        going through a divorce.  I'm there -- I'm

 

      17        actually moving out of there and renting it next

 

      18        month.  So they're mostly rentals.

 

      19             MR. REDMAN:  Okay.  So you're an

 

      20        owner/occupant in one of these and you rent the

 

      21        other two --

 

      22             MR. DUQUETTE:  Correct.

 

      23             MR. REDMAN:  -- is that correct?

 

      24             MR. DUQUETTE:  (Nods head.)

 

      25             MR. REDMAN:  Okay.  I mean --

 

 

 

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       1             MR. DUQUETTE:  The one -- to answer your

 

       2        question, as far as I know, the ones adjacent,

 

       3        going down -- I don't know how far, but I know

 

       4        at least the next two, three, four are rentals.

 

       5             MR. REDMAN:  Okay.  You know, I -- I think

 

       6        it would be a much better use as a -- as a

 

       7        commercial office building.

 

       8             You have nobody that is ready to move into

 

       9        these as office space?

 

      10             MR. DUQUETTE:  I have quite a few people

 

      11        that have expressed interest in that, but as of

 

      12        right now, I can't really commit to anything.

 

      13             Basically, I'm looking -- as far as -- to

 

      14        address some of the issues that came up here, as

 

      15        far as the exterior of the buildings, yeah, I

 

      16        plan to make them look similar residential and

 

      17        improve them.  It will improve the area, make it

 

      18        look much nicer, much cleaner.  And I seek to

 

      19        find people immediately to get in there and

 

      20        start cleaning it up.

 

      21             I'm actually looking for a joint venture

 

      22        partner to come in and actually help improve the

 

      23        properties immediately, inside and out, to clean

 

      24        up the entire area.

 

      25             MR. REDMAN:  Okay.  And there would be no

 

 

 

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       1        traffic coming from the front of these buildings

 

       2        onto the street --

 

       3             MR. DUQUETTE:  There's --

 

       4             MR. REDMAN:  -- in and out?

 

       5             MR. DUQUETTE:  There's four driveways right

 

       6        now that have to back out.  There will be one

 

       7        that will be two ways in and out, where three

 

       8        driveways will be eliminated.  So those three

 

       9        will not be backing out onto the road -- onto

 

      10        the property.

 

      11             MR. REDMAN:  Okay.  Thank you, sir.

 

      12             You know, I think probably all these houses

 

      13        would be better as commercial.

 

      14             MR. DUQUETTE:  I do as well.

 

      15             I'd like to address one more thing.  As far

 

      16        as encroachment going down Loretto Road, I'm

 

      17        across the street from commercial already, where

 

      18        the other ones are not.  They're across the

 

      19        street from other residences, so -- just since

 

      20        that topic came up.

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, sir.

 

      22             MR. DUQUETTE:  Thank you.

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  Any further discussion?

 

      24             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  We have a motion and

 

 

 

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       1        a second to deny.

 

       2             If you support the motion, you'd vote the

 

       3        green button.  If you're opposed to the motion

 

       4        to deny, you'd vote the red button.

 

       5             Open the ballot.

 

       6             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

       7             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

       8             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

       9             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

      10             MR. D. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      11             MR. JOOST:  (Votes aye.)

 

      12             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes nay.)

 

      13             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      14             MS. LAHMEUR:  Five yea, one nay.

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you have

 

      16        denied item 6, 2010-584 [sic].

 

      17             Turning to page 4, top of the page, item 7.

 

      18             Mr. Kelly.

 

      19             MR. KELLY:  Thank you.

 

      20             To the Chair, again, this is the companion

 

      21        rezoning application, 2010-485, Loretto Road

 

      22        offices PUD.

 

      23             Again, for the reasons expressed within the

 

      24        land use report -- additionally, again, the

 

      25        department finds that this PUD would be

 

 

 

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       1        inconsistent with the adjoining residential

 

       2        neighborhood, that it would not provide a

 

       3        gradual transition of intensities and densities

 

       4        between uses, and finds it to be encroaching

 

       5        into an established residential area, therefore,

 

       6        altering the character of the area.

 

       7             The department is not supportive of the

 

       8        companion rezoning as well.

 

       9             Thank you.

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Kelly.

 

      11             Planning Commission denied this as well?

 

      12             MR. KELLY:  Yes, sir.

 

      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, sir.

 

      14             This is a quasi-judicial matter.  Does

 

      15        anyone have any ex-parte to declare?

 

      16             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  I received an e-mail

 

      18        from Mr. Arpen.  It was labeled with -- it was

 

      19        labeled 2010-484, but these items are so close,

 

      20        I'm going to go ahead and submit that as

 

      21        ex-parte communication.

 

      22             All right.  We have a public hearing

 

      23        scheduled on this bill.  The public hearing is

 

      24        open.  I have three speakers' cards;

 

      25        Mr. Boswell, Mr. Riley, and Mr. Duquette.

 

 

 

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       1             Mr. Boswell, do you want to address the

 

       2        committee?

 

       3             MR. BOSWELL:  No, sir.

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Riley, do you want to

 

       5        address the committee?

 

       6             MR. RILEY:  I don't think so.

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Duquette, do you want to

 

       8        address the committee?

 

       9             MR. DUQUETTE:  No, thank you.

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  Anyone else care to address

 

      11        the committee?

 

      12             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing no one,

 

      14        the public hearing is closed.

 

      15             MR. HOLT:  Move to deny.

 

      16             MR. BISHOP:  Second.

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion to deny by Mr. Holt,

 

      18        second by Mr. Bishop.

 

      19             Any discussion on that motion?

 

      20             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  Again, if you support the

 

      22        motion, you'll vote green.  If you oppose the

 

      23        motion, you'll vote red.

 

      24             Open the ballot.

 

      25             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

 

 

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       1             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

       2             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

       3             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

       4             MR. D. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       5             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

       6             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes nay.)

 

       7             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

       8             MS. LAHMEUR:  Five yeas, one nay.

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  By our action, you have

 

      10        denied item 7, 2010-485.

 

      11             Item 8.  Mr. Crofts.

 

      12             Item 8, 2010-486.

 

      13             MR. CROFTS:  Yes, sir.

 

      14             This ordinance seeks to modify the land use

 

      15        designation of three parcels, currently located

 

      16        with three structures on 5.97 acres, from LDR,

 

      17        low density residential, to RPI,

 

      18        residential-professional-institutional.

 

      19             The property is located in the North

 

      20        Planning District and it is located specifically

 

      21        on the recently completed and constructed

 

      22        Airport Center Drive East, between Main Street

 

      23        and Starratt Road.

 

      24             All parcels have access to a local street,

 

      25        which is Perdue -- Perdue Road -- and a

 

 

 

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       1        cul-de-sac.  This request, if approved, in our

 

       2        opinion, would be an intrusion, again, into a

 

       3        residential area.

 

       4             Airport Center Drive East is a residential

 

       5        corridor at this time and there's no commercial

 

       6        activity except at the intersections of Starratt

 

       7        Road and Main Street in this general location of

 

       8        the North Planning District.

 

       9             This request, if approved, would, again,

 

      10        set a precedent for more commercial uses along

 

      11        this corridor.  The surrounding area is low

 

      12        density residential with a JEA easement

 

      13        approximately 80 feet wide, to the best

 

      14        estimate, to the east.

 

      15             We feel that this particular proposal is

 

      16        inconsistent with several policies in the future

 

      17        land use element dealing with the appropriate

 

      18        location of commercial uses and the negative

 

      19        impact and the intrusion that they could have or

 

      20        do have in associated and related adjacent

 

      21        residential uses.

 

      22             In conclusion, staff recommends denial of

 

      23        this request.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Crofts.

 

      25             And Planning Commission also denied?

 

 

 

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       1             MR. CROFTS:  That's correct.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, sir.

 

       3             MR. HOLT:  (Inaudible.)

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  Sure.  Mr. Holt, go ahead.

 

       5             MR. HOLT:  Mr. Crofts, could you guide me

 

       6        through our book here and show me if there's a

 

       7        schematic of this drawing -- of this development

 

       8        that might show any buffering that they've

 

       9        proposed?  Is that in there somewhere?  I'm not

 

      10        seeing it.

 

      11             MR. CROFTS:  I will -- there is an

 

      12        associated -- on the next bill, sir, there is a

 

      13        PUD that talks specifically -- a site plan that

 

      14        talks about the --

 

      15             MR. HOLT:  But it's important --

 

      16             MR. CROFTS:  -- the layout and the buffers.

 

      17             MR. HOLT:  -- for us to see that before

 

      18        making a decision on this.

 

      19             MR. KELLY:  (Tenders document to Mr. Holt.)

 

      20             MR. HOLT:  All right.  Thank you very much,

 

      21        Mr. Kelly, for bringing that.

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Holt.

 

      23             We have a public hearing scheduled on this

 

      24        item, and I have three speakers' cards.  I

 

      25        actually have four speakers' cards; Mr. Boswell,

 

 

 

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       1        Mr. Riley again, Gary Rowland, and James

 

       2        Hambrick.  If you-all will make your way to the

 

       3        front row, please.

 

       4             The public hearing is open, and we'll begin

 

       5        with Mr. Boswell.

 

       6             (Mr. Boswell approaches the podium.)

 

       7             MR. BOSWELL:  Yes.  Dan Boswell, 4014 Ranie

 

       8        Road, Jacksonville, Florida, representing the

 

       9        owners of the property.

 

      10             This is a project for a professional office

 

      11        center.  To the east of this project there is

 

      12        JEA buffering.  I calculated it somewhat a

 

      13        little bit more than Mr. Crofts did, but it's

 

      14        ample -- there's an ample buffering there

 

      15        between the residential neighborhood to the east

 

      16        of approximately 100 feet.

 

      17             To the west of it, just past the

 

      18        residential lots there, there is a St. Patrick's

 

      19        Church and school going in, and we're currently

 

      20        in negotiations to acquire some additional

 

      21        property there.

 

      22             The property fronts on Airport Center

 

      23        Drive, which would be the main entrance.  Across

 

      24        the street, there's a large retention pond.  And

 

      25        right next to that, on Perdue, is a junkyard.

 

 

 

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       1             Mr. Crofts was saying that there was no --

 

       2        the Planning Department was saying there's no

 

       3        commercial on this road, but actually right

 

       4        diagonally to it, to the southeast, there -- at

 

       5        the corner of Starratt Road going back to the

 

       6        power lines, that entire triangular corner

 

       7        there, I believe, was -- is a PUD done for a

 

       8        convenience store and service station, a rather

 

       9        large one, and zoning of -- I think CCG-2.

 

      10             I have met with all of the owners that are

 

      11        on that property, on Perdue Road there, and

 

      12        every one of them signed a -- letters in support

 

      13        of this development.

 

      14             It is a large four-lane road.  I'm sure

 

      15        there will be more commercial up and down it

 

      16        coming in the near future because it's a

 

      17        brand-new road, but -- and it is kind of like a

 

      18        funnel from all the subdivisions out there in

 

      19        the area coming to the new mall out there that

 

      20        they have, which is enlarging, by the way,

 

      21        but -- and behind the project altogether is just

 

      22        woods.

 

      23             So there's ample buffering.  The people

 

      24        that would be affected have -- are in support of

 

      25        this.  And, looking at the map, there's just no

 

 

 

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       1        one else that would be affected.

 

       2             And being a professional office center,

 

       3        they're going to maintain residential

 

       4        architecture in the construction of the

 

       5        single-story buildings and -- looking for your

 

       6        support on this.

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Boswell.

 

       8             MR. BOSWELL:  Thank you.

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  Where did you say the church

 

      10        was?  I'm looking at Attachment A in the

 

      11        Planning Department's report.

 

      12             MR. BOSWELL:  Okay.  It --

 

      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  Is it immediately west --

 

      14             MR. BOSWELL:  Immediately to the -- to the

 

      15        west.

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  And then there's

 

      17        another large, undeveloped parcel, that's still

 

      18        undeveloped?

 

      19             MR. BOSWELL:  That large undeveloped parcel

 

      20        is the church and school, proposed building site

 

      21        right now.

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  And what are the two lots

 

      23        that are exactly contiguous to your property,

 

      24        between your property and the church?  Are they

 

      25        vacant?

 

 

 

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       1             MR. BOSWELL:  No, sir.  There's -- there's

 

       2        a single mobile home on one of them, I believe,

 

       3        and a double-wide on the other one.

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  And where was the

 

       5        junkyard?

 

       6             MR. BOSWELL:  The junkyard is directly

 

       7        across the street -- directly across Airport

 

       8        Center Road.  There's probably a -- a retention

 

       9        pond there, probably several acres large.

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  Directly across from your

 

      11        property or the church's property?

 

      12             MR. BOSWELL:  Directly across from this

 

      13        project.

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  All right.

 

      15        Thank you, sir.

 

      16             Questions?

 

      17             MR. BOSWELL:  And behind that is a

 

      18        junkyard.

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Question for

 

      20        Mr. Boswell?

 

      21             Mr. Holt has a question.

 

      22             MR. HOLT:  Mr. Boswell, do you have -- do

 

      23        you have letters of support from those -- those

 

      24        neighbors you said?

 

      25             MR. BOSWELL:  I do have -- I have signed

 

 

 

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       1        letters from everyone.

 

       2             MR. HOLT:  Can you pass those out to the

 

       3        committee?

 

       4             MR. BOSWELL:  I -- yes, I can, but they

 

       5        were also sent to -- and I have support --

 

       6        100 percent support of the CPAC committee also.

 

       7             MR. HOLT:  Okay.

 

       8             MR. BOSWELL:  I'll have to get them.

 

       9        They're stuck in here.

 

      10             But they were also sent around to all

 

      11        the --

 

      12             MR. HOLT:  Okay.  Thank you, sir.  That's

 

      13        the only question I have for you.

 

      14             MR. BOSWELL:  And including the -- the

 

      15        diocese signed the letters also.

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Boswell.

 

      17             Any other questions for Mr. Boswell from

 

      18        the committee?

 

      19             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing none,

 

      21        Mr. Riley, you're next.

 

      22             (Mr. Riley approaches the podium.)

 

      23             MR. RILEY:  Bob Riley, 7350 Cumbria

 

      24        Boulevard.

 

      25             I'm here to provide support for this

 

 

 

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       1        proposed application, and it is important -- we

 

       2        met with the CPAC out there and found that they

 

       3        fully supported this application.

 

       4             This site is unusual.  It has an unusual

 

       5        orientation.  It is -- to the -- to the east and

 

       6        west are two subdivisions that are completely

 

       7        walled off from Airport Center Drive and from

 

       8        the -- from these properties.

 

       9             And this one has a major retention pond

 

      10        directly across from it, which was, I'm sure,

 

      11        built for the provisions to the Airport Center

 

      12        Drive.  And, by the way, Airport Center Drive is

 

      13        a minor arterial.  It is not a residential road.

 

      14             This, in fact, is going to be one of the

 

      15        major connectors to about a 2,000-plus-acre

 

      16        mixed-use PUD that you're getting ready to

 

      17        approve tonight to send for final adoption to

 

      18        the State of Florida.

 

      19             So this is no minor road.  And, in fact,

 

      20        this road is a divided road with a median and,

 

      21        in fact, at this location here with Perdue Road,

 

      22        there is a turning movement lane.  So this comes

 

      23        well to supporting both the school and the use

 

      24        of this office park.

 

      25             The RPI is the best compatible use to

 

 

 

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       1        adjoin a future Catholic church and school.

 

       2        And, in fact, directly northeast of here is

 

       3        First Coast High School as well.

 

       4             Given the site location and the orientation

 

       5        of this particular parcel and with the fact that

 

       6        you are on a minor arterial and that you have in

 

       7        close proximity commercial sites being

 

       8        developed -- in fact, just a year ago, you

 

       9        approved a -- or a year and a half -- yes, a

 

      10        year ago, May, you approved a commercial site at

 

      11        the southwest corner of Starratt and Airport

 

      12        Center Drive -- this becomes a very appropriate

 

      13        use at this particular location as RPI.

 

      14             Thank you very much.

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Riley.

 

      16             Any questions for Mr. Riley?

 

      17             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing none, our

 

      19        next speaker is Gary Rowland.

 

      20             Am I pronouncing your name correctly?

 

      21             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

      22             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  That's correct.

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Thank you.

 

      24             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Gary Rowland, 1429

 

      25        Broward Road, 32218.

 

 

 

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       1             I'm the manager at St. Patrick's Church,

 

       2        and I'd just like to say that we do support this

 

       3        issue.

 

       4             And that's all I have.

 

       5             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, sir.

 

       6             Any questions for Mr. Rowland?

 

       7             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       8             MR. ROWLAND:  Thank you.

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Our next speaker

 

      10        is James Hambrick.

 

      11             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

      12             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  My name is James

 

      13        Hambrick.  I live at 13329 Perdue Road.

 

      14             It's one house away from the proposed

 

      15        project, and I wanted to say I have no problem

 

      16        with it.  And, as far as I know, my neighbors

 

      17        have no problem with it.

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Thank you, sir.

 

      19             Any questions?

 

      20             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Anyone else care

 

      22        to address the committee?

 

      23             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing no one, then the

 

      25        public hearing is closed.

 

 

 

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       1             Mr. Holt.

 

       2             MR. HOLT:  Move the bill.

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion to approve by

 

       4        Mr. Holt --

 

       5             MR. BISHOP:  Second.

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  -- second by Mr. Bishop.

 

       7             Discussion?

 

       8             Mr. Holt.

 

       9             MR. HOLT:  Thank you, Mr. Chair.

 

      10             Council members, I just wanted to make a

 

      11        few comments on this.  This is in my district.

 

      12             As we heard a little while ago, the

 

      13        immediate neighbors around there are in support

 

      14        of it.  This is a brand-new road that -- it's

 

      15        going to be fronting on the east-west connector,

 

      16        Airport Center Drive as it's known.  And I had,

 

      17        in the past, talked to Mr. Boswell about this,

 

      18        and -- Mr. Boswell, could you come up here?  I

 

      19        want to ask you one more question about this.

 

      20             (Mr. Boswell approaches the podium.)

 

      21             MR. HOLT:  We had discussed at some

 

      22        point --

 

      23             MR. BOSWELL:  Yes, sir.

 

      24             MR. HOLT:  -- restricting the uses because

 

      25        I know with an RPI land use, at some point, if

 

 

 

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       1        this didn't work out, it would be possible to

 

       2        change to a different zoning for residential

 

       3        use.  But have we put some sort of asterisk to

 

       4        restrict this to only the office and

 

       5        professional uses?

 

       6             MR. BOSWELL:  Yes, sir, I did.

 

       7             I wrote a very narrow PUD description, that

 

       8        it was strictly to be used for professional

 

       9        offices and that the architecture was to remain

 

      10        residential in appearance.

 

      11             MR. HOLT:  Okay.

 

      12             MR. BOSWELL:  And there was --

 

      13             MR. HOLT:  My fear --

 

      14             MR. BOSWELL:  There was just nothing else

 

      15        allowed.

 

      16             Under the RPI, they can use, I think,

 

      17        multifamily, and we restricted that also.  So

 

      18        that -- and that was one major concern, both the

 

      19        church and the adjacent neighbors, that they

 

      20        did -- this is something they did not want --

 

      21             MR. HOLT:  Right.

 

      22             MR. BOSWELL:  -- so I just removed that.

 

      23             MR. HOLT:  Right.

 

      24             And that's my fear, that -- if we approve

 

      25        the land use and then somewhere down the road

 

 

 

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       1        the zoning doesn't work out, and then you come

 

       2        back, you have kind of a foot in the door to put

 

       3        in a more dense residential.

 

       4             So hav- -- knowing that we have that

 

       5        commitment, then, council members, I'm in full

 

       6        support of this.

 

       7             Thank you.

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Holt.

 

       9             Mr. Bishop.

 

      10             MR. BISHOP:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

 

      11             In this case, I would -- my opinion is -- I

 

      12        would differ with the Planning Department on the

 

      13        appropriateness of this.

 

      14             While technically this property is

 

      15        sandwiched between other single-family or low

 

      16        density residential land uses, none of this

 

      17        accesses Airport Center Road.  All of the

 

      18        neighborhoods go in the opposition direction.

 

      19        The JEA power line easement is a buffer, in a

 

      20        sense, between this property and the adjacent

 

      21        neighborhood.

 

      22             You've got a school on the other side

 

      23        that -- that will enter onto Airport Center

 

      24        Road.  This, as a -- this -- if it was to remain

 

      25        a residential neighborhood, it's always going to

 

 

 

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       1        be isolated.  In a sense, it's got one way in

 

       2        and out onto -- onto Airport Center Road.  And

 

       3        this kind of a use, to me, makes perfect sense

 

       4        to go off of Airport Center Road in this

 

       5        particular case, so I think -- I think it makes

 

       6        sense.

 

       7             Thank you.

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Bishop.

 

       9             Any other discussion?

 

      10             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  We have a motion and a

 

      12        second to approve.

 

      13             If there's no further discussion --

 

      14             MR. JOOST:  Did the Planning Department

 

      15        deny?

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  The Planning Department

 

      17        recommends denial, and the Planning Commission

 

      18        denied.  But we have a motion to approve on the

 

      19        floor.  So if you support the motion to approve,

 

      20        you'll vote green.  If you oppose, you'll vote

 

      21        red.

 

      22             No further discussion, open the ballot.

 

      23             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      24             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

      25             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

 

 

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       1             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

       2             MR. D. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       3             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

       4             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       5             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

       6             MS. LAHMEUR:  Six --

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  Vote.

 

       8             I'm sorry.  Go ahead.

 

       9             MS. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nay.

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

      11        approved item 8, 2010-486.

 

      12             Item 9, 2010-487.

 

      13             Mr. Kelly.

 

      14             MR. KELLY:  Thank you.

 

      15             To the Chair, this is the companion

 

      16        rezoning, 2010-487, seeking to rezone the

 

      17        subject property from the RLD-100A as well as

 

      18        RLD-120 to allow for a planned unit development

 

      19        that would be consistent with the commercial

 

      20        office zoning category.

 

      21             Again, the department does not support this

 

      22        rezoning in this instance.  We find it to be a

 

      23        spot zoning in that it is also unrelated to the

 

      24        immediate uses surrounding it, the residential

 

      25        uses.  We find it to be kind of premature and

 

 

 

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       1        contribute to a pattern of urban sprawl.

 

       2             However, in light of the approval of the

 

       3        land use, if there are conditions to be applied,

 

       4        we would recommend incorporating the original

 

       5        written description and legal description and

 

       6        site plan dated October 26th.

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Kelly.

 

       8             This is a quasi-judicial matter.  Does

 

       9        anyone have any ex-parte communication to

 

      10        disclose?

 

      11             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing none, we

 

      13        have a public hearing scheduled.  I have four

 

      14        speakers; Mr. Boswell, Mr. Riley, Mr. Rowland,

 

      15        and Mr. Hambrick.

 

      16             Would you all -- do you all want to address

 

      17        the committee?

 

      18             All right.  Well, the public hearing is

 

      19        open.  Mr. Boswell.

 

      20             (Mr. Boswell approaches the podium.)

 

      21             MR. BOSWELL:  Yes.  Dan Boswell, 4014 Ranie

 

      22        Road, Jacksonville, Florida.

 

      23             For all the same reasons I previously

 

      24        stated, I believe this to be an excellent infill

 

      25        development, well needed in that area.  With the

 

 

 

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       1        restrictions that I placed on it, with the help

 

       2        of the Planning Department, on the architecture,

 

       3        design and buffering, I think this would be an

 

       4        excellent development.

 

       5             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Boswell, you heard the

 

       6        conditions --

 

       7             MR. BOSWELL:  Yes, I did.

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  -- referenced by Mr. Kelly.

 

       9             Do you -- would you agree to those on the

 

      10        record?

 

      11             MR. BOSWELL:  Yes, I would.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Mr. Kelly.

 

      13             MR. KELLY:  To the Chair, there are also

 

      14        two memorandums.  One is from the Development

 

      15        Service Division, Traffic Engineering section,

 

      16        and one is also from the Florida Department of

 

      17        Transportation.  The memorandums are in your

 

      18        package.  The Development Services memorandum is

 

      19        dated June 15th, 2010, and the FDOT memorandum

 

      20        is dated July 15th, 2010.

 

      21             We would like to incorporate those

 

      22        memorandums as well with the conditions, the

 

      23        standard conditions regarding the legal, the

 

      24        site plan, and the written description.

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Mr. Boswell, do you

 

 

 

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       1        agree to those?

 

       2             MR. BOSWELL:  Yes.

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Thank you, sir.

 

       4             Mr. Reingold, that can all be wrapped up in

 

       5        one amendment?

 

       6             MR. REINGOLD:  Yes, sir.

 

       7             At the moment, what I'm looking at is the

 

       8        standard four conditions:

 

       9             "The development shall be subject to the

 

      10        legal description dated October 26th, 2009."

 

      11             "The development shall be subject to the

 

      12        written description dated October 26th, 2009."

 

      13             "The site plan shall be" -- or -- "the

 

      14        development shall be subject to the site plan

 

      15        dated October 26th, 2009."

 

      16             Additionally, it would include the

 

      17        traditional Traffic Engineering memorandum,

 

      18        which now would include the FDOT memorandum as

 

      19        described by Mr. Kelly.

 

      20             I guess the final question I have with that

 

      21        is that, do they want -- does the committee want

 

      22        the language "or as otherwise approved by the

 

      23        Planning and Development Department" at the end

 

      24        of the condition concerning the traffic

 

      25        memorandum?

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Kelly, do you want to

 

       2        respond to that?

 

       3             MR. KELLY:  Yes.

 

       4             That's traditionally -- basically allows

 

       5        the department some discretion when evaluating

 

       6        more detailed site plans during ten-set review,

 

       7        so we would like that.

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Reingold.

 

       9             MR. REINGOLD:  That's fine.

 

      10             I guess I'm looking at the PUD written

 

      11        description very quickly, and I was hearing some

 

      12        of the comments and concerns from Councilmember

 

      13        Holt, and I just wanted to, if I could, ask a

 

      14        question of Mr. Boswell to make sure that

 

      15        Councilmember Holt's issues are concerned [sic],

 

      16        based upon what I've read in the written

 

      17        description that I've gotten from him.

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  You may.

 

      19             Mr. Boswell --

 

      20             MR. BOSWELL:  Yes.

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  -- a question from

 

      22        Mr. Reingold.

 

      23             MR. REINGOLD:  First off, in the uses and

 

      24        restrictions, it says, "Permitted Uses and

 

      25        Structures:  Uses provided for in

 

 

 

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       1        Section 656.311 for the commercial/office zoning

 

       2        district, including those uses as being

 

       3        permitted and those uses permissible by

 

       4        exception," so I guess those would all be

 

       5        permissible.

 

       6             And then it says, "Uses outlined in

 

       7        Section 656.311 for the commercial/office zoning

 

       8        district as being permissible by zoning

 

       9        exception shall requirement [sic] the grant of a

 

      10        zoning exception by the Planning Commission."

 

      11             I'm just confused.  Were you anticipating

 

      12        that all the uses by exception and all the uses

 

      13        by right would all be by right, or the ones by

 

      14        right in CO by right, the ones by exception by

 

      15        exception?

 

      16             And then to go to the council member's

 

      17        question about architectural design, it simply

 

      18        says at the end, "Building structures and

 

      19        signage shall be constructed and painted with

 

      20        materials which are aesthetically pleasing."

 

      21             "The site plan and architectural

 

      22        elevations shall be reviewed by the Planning and

 

      23        Development Department for consistency with the

 

      24        North Jacksonville Shared Vision and Master Plan

 

      25        at the time of verification of substantial

 

 

 

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       1        compliance of the PUD."

 

       2             I guess my question to the council member,

 

       3        to the applicant, and to the Planning

 

       4        Department, are the restrictions and issues that

 

       5        the council member raised, are they being

 

       6        addressed?  If they're not, then we need to come

 

       7        up with some conditions to make sure they are.

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Boswell, how would you

 

       9        feel about deferring this bill and getting

 

      10        together with the Planning Department and

 

      11        getting it all worked out for two weeks -- two

 

      12        weeks from now?

 

      13             MR. BOSWELL:  Is -- is there something that

 

      14        we could agree to tonight to get this --

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  The land use has got to go

 

      16        to Tallahassee.  So, I mean, a two-week -- a

 

      17        two-week delay is not going to --

 

      18             MR. BOSWELL:  Okay.

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  I mean, that would be my

 

      20        suggestion --

 

      21             MR. BOSWELL:  Sure.

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  -- just to kind of speed

 

      23        things up and make -- get everybody on the same

 

      24        page.

 

      25             MR. BOSWELL:  Absolutely.

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  If you're agreeable to

 

       2        that --

 

       3             MR. BOSWELL:  I am agreeable.

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Riley, Mr. Rowland,

 

       5        Mr. Hambrick, are you all agreeable to that?

 

       6             MR. RILEY:  (Nods head.)

 

       7             MR. ROWLAND:  (Nods head.)

 

       8             MR. HAMBRICK:  (Nods head.)

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Anyone else care to

 

      10        address the committee?

 

      11             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing no one,

 

      13        the public hearing is closed -- I'm sorry --

 

      14        continued until September 21st, and we'll take

 

      15        no further action on this bill tonight.

 

      16             And, Mr. Boswell, if you and your clan will

 

      17        get with Mr. Reingold and Mr. Kelly, I think in

 

      18        two weeks we'll have it all worked out and we

 

      19        can just take care of it like that.  Okay?

 

      20             MR. BOSWELL:  Thank you.

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you for your

 

      22        cooperation.

 

      23             Turning to page 5, at the top of the page,

 

      24        item 10, 2010-499.  There will be no action on

 

      25        this bill tonight, but we do have a public

 

 

 

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       1        hearing scheduled.

 

       2             The public hearing is open.

 

       3             Do we have any speaker cards?

 

       4             MR. JOOST:  (Inaudible.)

 

       5             THE CHAIRMAN:  You don't have to tonight.

 

       6        Would you like to?

 

       7             MR. JOOST:  (Inaudible.)

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  The public --

 

       9        seeing no speakers, the public hearing is

 

      10        continued until September 21st.

 

      11             Mr. Joost.

 

      12             MR. JOOST:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

 

      13             I'd like to declare ex-parte communications

 

      14        with Bert Watson, and we just discussed the

 

      15        general issues with this zoning.  Thank you --

 

      16        on the sign waiver.

 

      17             Thank you.

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Joost.

 

      19             Mr. Redman, did you want to --

 

      20             MR. REDMAN:  Yes, sir.

 

      21             I need to declare ex-parte.  I talked this

 

      22        afternoon with Tracy Winfrey (phonetic),

 

      23        Bert Watson, and Michelle Herring (phonetic) on

 

      24        this sign waiver.

 

      25             Thank you.

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Redman.

 

       2             Mr. Bishop.

 

       3             MR. BISHOP:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

 

       4             I also declare ex-parte, same people, same

 

       5        subject, this afternoon.

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you.

 

       7             Anyone else?

 

       8             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  The public

 

      10        hearing is continued on September 21st, no other

 

      11        action on that bill.

 

      12             Item 11, 2010-550.  We will not take any

 

      13        action on this at the request of the applicant,

 

      14        but we do have a public hearing scheduled.

 

      15             The public hearing is open.  I have no

 

      16        speaker cards.

 

      17             Anyone care to address the committee?

 

      18             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing no one, the public

 

      20        hearing is continued to September 21st and the

 

      21        bill is deferred.

 

      22             Item 12, 2010-551.

 

      23             Mr. Kelly.

 

      24             MR. KELLY:  Thank you.

 

      25             To the Chair and to committee members,

 

 

 

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       1        ordinance 2010-551 requests to reduce the

 

       2        minimum required setback for a sign from

 

       3        ten feet to zero feet.

 

       4             The subject property is located at 1061

 

       5        Riverside Avenue, between Bishop Gate Lane and

 

       6        Lomax Street, and is also located within the

 

       7        Riverside Avondale Historic District and

 

       8        Riverside Avondale Zoning Overlay.

 

       9             The department reviewed for -- this

 

      10        reduction in the setback request against the

 

      11        criteria for a sign waiver and finds that it

 

      12        meets the criteria.  The proposed sign, again,

 

      13        is going to be a nonilluminated, ten-square-foot

 

      14        sign consistent with established signage in the

 

      15        neighborhood.

 

      16             The department is recommending approval

 

      17        subject to the four conditions in your staff

 

      18        report and also on the agenda.  I believe

 

      19        there's a slight modification to some of the

 

      20        verbiage that we spoke with OGC about this

 

      21        morning on this, so I'll read it into the

 

      22        record.

 

      23             Condition 1 reads, "The waiver shall be

 

      24        personal to the applicant, nontransferrable, and

 

      25        shall not run with title to the land."

 

 

 

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       1             Condition 2, "No additional ground signs

 

       2        shall be permitted on the property."

 

       3             Condition 3, "The sign shall be limited to

 

       4        five feet in height and ten square feet in

 

       5        area."

 

       6             Condition 4, "The sign shall not be

 

       7        internally illuminated."

 

       8             Pending those four conditions for approval,

 

       9        the department is recommending approval.

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Kelly.

 

      11             This is a quasi-judicial matter.  Do any

 

      12        council members have any ex-parte communication

 

      13        to disclose?

 

      14             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing none, we

 

      16        also have a public hearing scheduled this

 

      17        evening.  The public hearing is open.

 

      18             Do I have any speaker cards on this?

 

      19             MS. DAVIS:  No.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Anyone care to

 

      21        address the committee?

 

      22             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Mr. Reingold,

 

      24        how about the conditions?  If we move the

 

      25        conditions, have they been accepted at Planning

 

 

 

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       1        Commission or --

 

       2             MR. REINGOLD:  No.  This actually -- item

 

       3        does not go to Planning Commission.  This only

 

       4        goes to the LUZ Committee.

 

       5             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  So what I'll do

 

       6        is I will continue the public hearing until

 

       7        September 21st, and someone from the Planning

 

       8        Department either needs to contact the applicant

 

       9        and have them here at the meeting on the 21st or

 

      10        transact the -- transact the acceptance through

 

      11        written communication or something so we'll be

 

      12        postured properly in two weeks.

 

      13             So that item is deferred.

 

      14             Item 13, 2010-552.  There's a request to

 

      15        withdraw this.

 

      16             Mr. Kelly, do you still want to give your

 

      17        report?  It's not really necessary, is it?

 

      18             MR. KELLY:  No.  We would also recommend

 

      19        withdrawal with fees.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  I have a scheduled

 

      21        public hearing this evening.  The public hearing

 

      22        is open.  I have no speaker cards.

 

      23             Anyone care to address the committee?

 

      24             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing no one, the public

 

 

 

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       1        hearing is closed.

 

       2             MR. HOLT:  Move withdrawal with fees.

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion to withdraw with fees

 

       4        from Mr. Holt --

 

       5             MR. BISHOP:  Second.

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  -- second by Mr. Bishop.

 

       7             Discussion on the motion?

 

       8             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing none, open the

 

      10        ballot, vote.

 

      11             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      12             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

      13             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      14             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

      15             MR. D. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      16             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      17             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      18             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      19             MS. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nay.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  By our action, you have

 

      21        approved item 13, 2010-552.

 

      22             Turning to the top of page 6, item 14,

 

      23        2010-580.

 

      24             Mr. Crofts.

 

      25             MR. CROFTS:  This particular piece of

 

 

 

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       1        legislation is proposed -- is a proposed land

 

       2        use amendment to the future land use map series

 

       3        of the 2030 Comprehensive Plan and it seeks to

 

       4        modify 1.11 acres of land located at 647 East

 

       5        27th Street and 646 East 28th Street.

 

       6             It is located in the Urban Core Planning

 

       7        District in Council District 7.  The request is

 

       8        specifically to change or modify the land use

 

       9        from LDR, low density residential, to LI, light

 

      10        industrial.

 

      11             The Planning Department staff has conducted

 

      12        a review of this item.  And in terms of its

 

      13        compatibility, the trends in the area, the

 

      14        impacts on those uses, its consistency with

 

      15        applicable plans, and in consideration of the

 

      16        overall impacts and the relationship to the

 

      17        existing neighborhoods, the staff recommends

 

      18        approval.

 

      19             The subject site, again, is located in an

 

      20        existing light industrial and residential area

 

      21        as evidenced by surrounding land use

 

      22        designations, continued light industrial uses on

 

      23        the subject site, is therefore consistent with

 

      24        the character of the surrounding area, and we

 

      25        find it consistent with several policies of the

 

 

 

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       1        future land use element, specifically objective

 

       2        3.2 and policy 3.27.

 

       3             Staff recommends approval of this land use

 

       4        amendment.

 

       5             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Crofts.

 

       6             We have a public hearing scheduled this

 

       7        evening.

 

       8             The public hearing is open.  I have one

 

       9        speaker's card, Scott Sullivan.

 

      10             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Sullivan.

 

      12             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Yes.  Excuse me.

 

      13             My name is Scott Sullivan, at 2336

 

      14        Brentfield Road West.

 

      15             I am the current owner of the property, and

 

      16        I was really just going to give everyone kind of

 

      17        an oversight of the property that may not know

 

      18        that much about it.

 

      19             I currently work for a company, Cogburn

 

      20        Brothers, Incorporated, which is a construction

 

      21        company.  I have for the last 30 years.

 

      22             Cogburn operated a construction company

 

      23        from this location from about 1992.  In about

 

      24        2005, Cogburn relocated their business to an

 

      25        area where they had some more property and sold

 

 

 

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       1        me the property.

 

       2             Unfortunately for me, Cogburn Brothers,

 

       3        being a great company to work for, but the

 

       4        owners soon will retire, and that will leave me

 

       5        starting a construction company, and my intent

 

       6        is to start from the location at -- listed here

 

       7        on the bill.

 

       8             So with that said, we have operated a

 

       9        construction company from this location.  It was

 

      10        a successful company.  I think it was good for

 

      11        the surrounding areas.  We never really had any

 

      12        problems with any issues, with any of the

 

      13        neighbors, and my plan would be to continue to

 

      14        operate a construction company.  I just wanted

 

      15        to have the proper zoning in place so there

 

      16        wouldn't be no issues in the future.

 

      17             Thank you.

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, sir.

 

      19             Any questions from the committee?

 

      20             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  I have no other

 

      22        speakers' cards.  Anyone else care to address

 

      23        the committee?

 

      24             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing no one, the public

 

 

 

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       1        hearing is closed.

 

       2             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill.

 

       3             MR. BISHOP:  Second.

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion by -- motion for

 

       5        approval by Mr. Joost, second by Mr. Bishop.

 

       6             Any discussion?

 

       7             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  If not, open the ballot,

 

       9        vote.

 

      10             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      11             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

      12             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      13             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

      14             MR. D. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      15             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      16             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      17             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      18             MS. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nay.

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

      20        approved item 14, 2010-580.

 

      21             Item 15.  Mr. Kelly, if you can be brief on

 

      22        your report.

 

      23             MR. KELLY:  Thank you.

 

      24             To the Chair and to the committee members,

 

      25        ordinance 2010-581.  This is the, again,

 

 

 

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       1        companion rezoning to the previous land use

 

       2        request.  The subject zoning is going from

 

       3        RLD-60 to industrial light, basically to

 

       4        accommodate the existing construction company

 

       5        business that has been operating at the subject

 

       6        property for numerous years.

 

       7             The department finds it is consistent with

 

       8        both the comprehensive plan and furthers the

 

       9        goals, objectives, and policies of the

 

      10        comprehensive plan, and is recommending

 

      11        approval.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Kelly.

 

      13             This is a quasi-judicial matter.  Does

 

      14        anyone have any ex-parte communication to

 

      15        disclose?

 

      16             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Seeing none, we have

 

      18        a public hearing scheduled.  I only have one

 

      19        speaker's card.  It's Mr. Sullivan.

 

      20             Mr. Sullivan --

 

      21             MR. SULLIVAN:  (Shakes head.)

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  -- doesn't want to speak.

 

      23             Anyone else care to address the committee?

 

      24             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing none, the

 

 

 

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       1        public hearing is closed.

 

       2             MR. BISHOP:  Move the bill.

 

       3             MR. HOLT:  Second.

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion by Mr. Bishop, second

 

       5        by Mr. Holt, motion to approve.

 

       6             Any discussion?

 

       7             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  If not, open the ballot,

 

       9        vote.

 

      10             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      11             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

      12             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      13             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

      14             MR. D. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      15             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      16             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      17             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      18             MS. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nay.

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  By our action, you've

 

      20        approved item 15, 2010-581.

 

      21             Item 16, 2010-582.

 

      22             Mr. Crofts.

 

      23             MR. CROFTS:  This ordinance is proposed --

 

      24        is a proposed land use amendment to the future

 

      25        land use map series of the comp plan to

 

 

 

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       1        modify .95 acres.  The property is located at

 

       2        7614 and 7622 Wilson Boulevard in the Southwest

 

       3        Planning District in Council District 10.

 

       4             The request is from RPI,

 

       5        residential-professional-institutional, to IL,

 

       6        industrial light.

 

       7             The Planning Department has conducted a

 

       8        review of this particular property.  It allows

 

       9        for the opportunity for this existing business

 

      10        to expand its office to include outdoor storage.

 

      11             Staff recommends approval because of its

 

      12        consistency and compatibility.

 

      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Crofts.

 

      14             We have a public hearing scheduled this

 

      15        evening.  I have no speaker cards on this item.

 

      16             The public hearing is open.

 

      17             Anyone else care to address the committee?

 

      18             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing no one, the public

 

      20        hearing is closed.

 

      21             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill.

 

      22             MR. HOLT:  Second.

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion to approve by

 

      24        Mr. Joost, second by Mr. Holt.

 

      25             Discussion?

 

 

 

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       1             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing none, open the

 

       3        ballot, vote.

 

       4             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

       5             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

       6             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

       7             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

       8             MR. D. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       9             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      10             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      11             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      12             MS. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nay.

 

      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  By our action, you have

 

      14        approved item 16, 2010-582.

 

      15             Item 17, 2010-583.

 

      16             Mr. Kelly.

 

      17             MR. KELLY:  Thank you.

 

      18             To the Chair and committee members,

 

      19        ordinance 2010-583, again, it's the companion

 

      20        rezoning to the previous land use application.

 

      21             The proposed zoning is going from

 

      22        current -- currently, commercial, residential

 

      23        and office to industrial light.

 

      24             For the reasons cited within the land use

 

      25        amendment, the department supports the companion

 

 

 

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       1        rezoning to industrial light and finds it to be

 

       2        compatible with property immediately to the

 

       3        north and east of the subject site.

 

       4             Again, this will accommodate an existing

 

       5        business that has operated on that site for over

 

       6        ten years.

 

       7             The department is recommending approval.

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Kelly.

 

       9             This is a quasi-judicial matter.  Anybody

 

      10        have any ex-parte communication to disclose?

 

      11             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing none, we

 

      13        have a public hearing.

 

      14             The public hearing is open.  I have no

 

      15        speaker cards.

 

      16             Anyone care to address the committee?

 

      17             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing no one,

 

      19        the public hearing is closed.

 

      20             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill.

 

      21             MR. D. BROWN:  Second.

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion on the -- motion to

 

      23        approve by Mr. Joost, second by Mr. Brown.

 

      24             All right.  Any discussion?

 

      25             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  If not, open the ballot,

 

       2        vote.

 

       3             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

       4             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

       5             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

       6             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

       7             MR. D. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       8             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

       9             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      10             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      11             MS. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nay.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  By our action, you've

 

      13        approved item 17, 2010-583.

 

      14             Ms. Tropia, we are getting ready to get

 

      15        into a couple of controversial items.  How are

 

      16        you fixed?  You need a break?

 

      17             (Discussion held off the record.)

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  How many people are here on

 

      19        item 18 or 19 to speak, raise your hand, please.

 

      20             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (Indicating.)

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  And how about items 20 and

 

      22        21?

 

      23             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (Indicating.)

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  That's not too bad.

 

      25             All right.  Our court reporter, we only

 

 

 

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       1        make her pound the keys for about two hours and

 

       2        then we give her a break, and we're coming up on

 

       3        that.  So we'll take up items 18 and 19, but we

 

       4        may have to take a break in between to give her

 

       5        a few minutes to regain the sensation in her

 

       6        fingertips.

 

       7             Item 18, 2010-584.

 

       8             Mr. Crofts.

 

       9             MR. CROFTS:  Item 18, ordinance 2010-584,

 

      10        is a small scale land use amendment to the

 

      11        future land use map series of the 2030

 

      12        Comprehensive Plan to change the existing future

 

      13        land use designation of 5.56 acres from RPI,

 

      14        residential-professional-institutional, to NC,

 

      15        neighborhood commercial.

 

      16             The subject property is located at 9069 and

 

      17        9109 San Jose Boulevard in the Southeast

 

      18        Planning District and in Council District 5.

 

      19             The property currently carries a PUD

 

      20        zoning designation that would allow up to

 

      21        60 condominiums.

 

      22             A quick review of the current designation

 

      23        of future land uses along this stretch or link

 

      24        of San Jose Boulevard from Goodby's Creek, south

 

      25        of Baymeadows Road southerly to Sunbeam Road,

 

 

 

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       1        shows a predominance of RPI land use on the east

 

       2        side of the road, east side of San Jose

 

       3        Boulevard, and a predominance of LDR, or low

 

       4        density residential, on the west side of

 

       5        San Jose Boulevard, notwithstanding some

 

       6        existing commercial uses on the west side of

 

       7        San Jose Boulevard.

 

       8             There is also preservation land designated

 

       9        for preservation, open space, just south of this

 

      10        property, on the east side of San Jose

 

      11        Boulevard, as well as on the east side of

 

      12        San Jose Boulevard, there are apartments to the

 

      13        north, as well as the City's boat ramp going

 

      14        north to Goodby's Creek.

 

      15             There is also office uses and apartments

 

      16        south of this particular property leading to

 

      17        Sunbeam Road, on the east side of this road.

 

      18             The existing RPI land use, as defined in

 

      19        the comprehensive plan, already allows for

 

      20        commercial uses up to 50 percent in a mixed-use

 

      21        arrangement, which we feel is the appropriate

 

      22        intensity at this location, along this

 

      23        particular stretch of San Jose Boulevard;

 

      24        therefore, this amendment, in our opinion, is

 

      25        inconsistent with several provisions of the

 

 

 

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       1        future land use element.

 

       2             The key word here, in our opinion, is

 

       3        "balance" in allowing all of this commercial

 

       4        along this particular stretch of road, in our

 

       5        opinion, tips the scale in terms of the

 

       6        character of the area.  We would like to protect

 

       7        this particular stretch of road, much like it is

 

       8        to the north of Baymeadows Road where you see

 

       9        significant stretches along San Jose Boulevard

 

      10        in the residential connotation with commercial

 

      11        nodes or orientations at appropriate

 

      12        intersections such as University Boulevard and

 

      13        Emerson Street.

 

      14             So, in conclusion, the department is

 

      15        recommending denial of this particular land use

 

      16        amendment because of its inconsistency,

 

      17        because -- with several provisions of the

 

      18        comprehensive plan, primarily dealing with a

 

      19        well-balanced arrangement of land use mix at

 

      20        this particular location and the protection of

 

      21        the existing land use connotations along this

 

      22        stretch of San Jose Boulevard.

 

      23             With that, the department recommends

 

      24        denial.

 

      25             Thank you.

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Crofts.

 

       2             The Planning Commission approved this?

 

       3             MR. CROFTS:  That's correct.

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you.

 

       5             MR. JOOST:  What was the vote?

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  We have a question about the

 

       7        vote.  What was the vote at the Planning

 

       8        Commission?  Was it five to two?  I think it

 

       9        was.  Yeah, I think it was five to two.

 

      10             MR. CROFTS:  For the record, I believe it

 

      11        was five to two, to the best of my recollection.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  One housekeeping

 

      13        matter.  Jeff Crammond has a speaker's card

 

      14        filled out for this.  You need to come up and

 

      15        sign your card, sir.  You filled everything out,

 

      16        but you did not sign it.  So if you'll sign it,

 

      17        we'll put you in the queue.

 

      18             All right.  We have a public hearing

 

      19        scheduled this evening.  I have -- I think I

 

      20        have more speaker cards than I saw hands go up,

 

      21        but we will begin.

 

      22             The public hearing is open, and I have

 

      23        Tom Ingram, Mike Saylor, Bill -- it looks like

 

      24        D-o-b-s something -- if you'll make your way

 

      25        forward -- and Kyle Gavin.  If you all will

 

 

 

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       1        start making your way forward, I'd appreciate

 

       2        it.

 

       3             Mr. Ingram.

 

       4             (Mr. Ingram approaches the podium.)

 

       5             MR. INGRAM:  Yes, good evening.

 

       6             Tom Ingram, 207 North Laura Street,

 

       7        Suite 260, Jacksonville.

 

       8             I'm here for the applicant.

 

       9             A couple of things.  I have copies of two

 

      10        letters.  One is from the district

 

      11        councilmember, Art Shad, who is in support of

 

      12        the land use amendment.

 

      13             I also have a letter from Councilmember

 

      14        Webb, whose district is adjacent to the site,

 

      15        and he does not object to the land use amendment

 

      16        going forward, if -- if you all need copies.

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  Do you have copies?

 

      18             MR. INGRAM:  Yes, sir.

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  Yeah, we'll distribute

 

      20        those.

 

      21             Thank you.

 

      22             MR. INGRAM:  I have a copy of each.

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.

 

      24             MR. INGRAM:  Okay.  This site is just south

 

      25        of the intersection of Baymeadows Road and

 

 

 

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       1        San Jose Boulevard.  Adjacent to it is the

 

       2        Baymeadows -- or excuse me -- the Beauclerc Bay

 

       3        Apartments.  Just north of Beauclerc Bay is the

 

       4        Goodby's Creek ramp.  Across from that is the

 

       5        Rod and Gun Club, which is a social club that's

 

       6        there on Rubin Road.

 

       7             Just to the south of the site is the Lewis

 

       8        Petroleum service station.  South of that is the

 

       9        Hearst (phonetic) Plaza shopping center.  It's a

 

      10        Sleiman -- a small Sleiman shopping center.

 

      11             This site is -- one of the things to

 

      12        consider is that the site has no development to

 

      13        the east, so there's no concern as to adjacent

 

      14        development on that side.  There's also no

 

      15        development to the south.  The City used the

 

      16        land to the south to mitigate for the wetlands

 

      17        impacts of the Goodby's Creek ramp.

 

      18             As Mr. Crofts discussed, the RPI land use

 

      19        category does allow retail.  Really the key

 

      20        issue before you in this application is that RPI

 

      21        limits a site -- and it's a very broad

 

      22        definition of what a "site" is -- to say that

 

      23        not more than 50 percent of a site may be

 

      24        commercial.

 

      25             This particular site is about

 

 

 

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       1        five-and-a-half acres.  We're proposing in our

 

       2        companion PUD a maximum of 46,200 square feet of

 

       3        retail, which is a relatively small amount.

 

       4        It's a neighborhood-scale shopping center

 

       5        intended to serve the San Jose, Beauclerc, and

 

       6        Mandarin neighborhoods, much like the type of

 

       7        retail that exists over at Baymeadows in

 

       8        San Jose.  You have every -- you know, Stonewood

 

       9        Grill, Pizza Palace, First Place Sports is up

 

      10        there.  There -- this is really the main

 

      11        shopping corridor.  I can say from personal

 

      12        experience -- I live in San Jose; we drive past

 

      13        the site quite a bit -- this would promote

 

      14        having those retail opportunities near the

 

      15        neighborhoods.

 

      16             And, as you may know, if you're familiar

 

      17        with Mandarin, there's really not much retail

 

      18        down Beauclerc Road or down Scott Mill.  That's

 

      19        been an established residential area, but people

 

      20        are coming into this, into -- into the San Jose

 

      21        Boulevard corridor to shop.

 

      22             This is a classic infill project.  If you

 

      23        look at the definition in the comprehensive

 

      24        plan, it talks about -- it's defined as

 

      25        "development or redevelopment of land that is or

 

 

 

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       1        has been vacant, bypassed, and underutilized,

 

       2        but is located within areas that already have

 

       3        infrastructure, utilities, and public

 

       4        facilities."

 

       5             And I'll continue if you want, but -- we

 

       6        have some other speakers to talk about the

 

       7        traffic impacts, and also Mike Saylor will talk

 

       8        some about the planning issues.

 

       9             But I'm happy to answer any questions you

 

      10        may have.

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Ingram.

 

      12             Who are your other speakers?

 

      13             MR. INGRAM:  We'd like it, if it's okay, if

 

      14        Jeff Crammond could go next  --

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.

 

      16             MR. INGRAM:  -- followed by Mike Saylor.

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.

 

      18             MR. INGRAM:  And I believe Mr. Dobscha is

 

      19        here also on this.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  It's Dobscha?  Is he part of

 

      21        your group?

 

      22             MR. INGRAM:  We have spoken with

 

      23        Mr. Dobscha about this project.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Any questions

 

      25        from the committee for Mr. Ingram?

 

 

 

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       1             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Thank you,

 

       3        Mr. Ingram.

 

       4             Mr. Crammond.

 

       5             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

       6             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Jeff Crammond, 14775

 

       7        St. Augustine Road, Jacksonville.

 

       8             I'm a professional traffic operations

 

       9        engineer for England-Thims & Miller.  We've done

 

      10        a traffic assessment of this project, both using

 

      11        the DCA methodology -- and the City agrees that

 

      12        under their methodology there's actually a

 

      13        reduction in traffic from the site, and from the

 

      14        more realistic perspective of the PUD.

 

      15             Based on the PUD, this is a neighborhood

 

      16        commercial, specialty retail, or shopping center

 

      17        type use.  If you use the IT trip generation for

 

      18        specialty retail, we come out with about 132

 

      19        trips during the afternoon peak hour, which is

 

      20        the critical period, basically just over a car a

 

      21        second.  If we go with the more intensive

 

      22        shopping center use, that increases by an extra

 

      23        car a minute.

 

      24             So it's not a large site, doesn't have a

 

      25        significant impact on San Jose Boulevard, about

 

 

 

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       1        a percent and a half of the maximum service

 

       2        volume on San Jose.  We're looking at a

 

       3        car-and-a-half to two-and-a-half cars a minute

 

       4        versus the San Jose traffic of 72 cars a minute,

 

       5        so it's significantly less intensive than the

 

       6        adjacent use.

 

       7             We conducted a Synchro -- a sophisticated

 

       8        computer model of the corridor between Beauclerc

 

       9        and Baymeadows for the a.m. peak hour, for the

 

      10        p.m. peak hour, using the existing signal

 

      11        timings and the existing traffic volumes, and

 

      12        then a second analysis overlaying the proposed

 

      13        commercial subdivision -- or commercial

 

      14        development on that.

 

      15             The slide in front of you shows the -- a

 

      16        simulation of that.  The left depicts the

 

      17        existing conditions, the right depicts the

 

      18        future conditions.  Generally, there is no

 

      19        difference in the level of service that occurs

 

      20        on there.  The congestion is pretty much the

 

      21        same.

 

      22             And basically there's no change in the

 

      23        level of service during the a.m. or p.m. peak

 

      24        hour.  The Beauclerc intersection, the --

 

      25        per vehicle increases from 11.4 to 12.3 seconds,

 

 

 

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       1        and at Baymeadows it increases from 35.4 to

 

       2        35.5.

 

       3             Both intersections operate above the

 

       4        standard for -- that the City has established

 

       5        for San Jose Boulevard.

 

       6             So if you've got any questions, I'd be more

 

       7        than happy to answer them.

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Thank you,

 

       9        Mr. Crammond.

 

      10             Any questions from the committee?

 

      11             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Mr. Saylor,

 

      13        you're next.

 

      14             Mr. Saylor will be followed by Mr. Dobscha,

 

      15        Kyle Gavin, Marian Dickson, Robert O'Quinn, and

 

      16        Mark Usdin.

 

      17             If you-all will make your way forward, that

 

      18        would expedite things.

 

      19             Mr. Saylor.

 

      20             (Mr. Saylor approaches the podium.)

 

      21             MR. SAYLOR:  Mr. Chairman, my name is

 

      22        Mike Saylor, 1450 Flagler Avenue.

 

      23             I'm a planning consultant practicing here

 

      24        in Jacksonville.

 

      25             I've got some documents that are being

 

 

 

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       1        passed out to you.  There will be three maps.

 

       2        One is entitled Parcel Map.  One is a land use

 

       3        and one is zoning.

 

       4             Probably the most important one for you to

 

       5        look at will be the parcel map.  I'm going to

 

       6        address that last, so you'll get a chance to get

 

       7        it in front of you and kind of sort through the

 

       8        other document, which is about a 12-page

 

       9        rebuttal, if you will, to the staff reports on

 

      10        the land use amendment request and the zoning

 

      11        change request.

 

      12             I've basically taken the staff reports and

 

      13        gone through point by point and attempted to

 

      14        rebut what I consider to be some pretty

 

      15        fine-line distinctions in our goals, policies,

 

      16        and objectives that would take, I think, some of

 

      17        the argument out of the staff's position that

 

      18        this -- this proposed land use change, in

 

      19        particular, would be so inconsistent or so

 

      20        incompatible with the surrounding area.

 

      21             I'm not going to attempt to go through it

 

      22        line item by line item in three minutes, but

 

      23        suffice to say that the land use report -- sorry

 

      24        about the confusing nature of the drawings.

 

      25        There are some germane points that I'll get to.

 

 

 

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       1             The staff reports boil down to about seven

 

       2        items.  First -- and I'm going to take them a

 

       3        little out of context -- or a little out of

 

       4        order, not out of context.

 

       5             There's a comment made in the staff report

 

       6        that -- that the land use change could

 

       7        constitute urban sprawl.  This is San Jose

 

       8        Boulevard.  This is five acres of land in -- in

 

       9        the midst of 500 acres of commercially- and

 

      10        institutionally-zoned land from Baymeadows Road

 

      11        down to I-295.  It is not urban sprawl.

 

      12             On the converse side, it has been stated

 

      13        that it is perhaps -- does not constitute infill

 

      14        development.  This is a classic example of

 

      15        infill development.  Again, it is five acres of

 

      16        land in a 500-acre tract, if you will, a strip

 

      17        commercial corridor, something that Jacksonville

 

      18        is actually quite noted for.  As you know, most

 

      19        of the commercial development in Jacksonville

 

      20        occurs in a strip corridor fashion, not in

 

      21        nodes, as we discuss in the comp plan.

 

      22             They've suggested that the -- the use is

 

      23        too intense.  I think the implication here is

 

      24        that perhaps it generates too much intensive

 

      25        activity and particularly in terms of traffic.

 

 

 

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       1             Keep in mind, as it is presently designated

 

       2        as land use and zoning, as RPI, we can develop a

 

       3        multifamily development, we can develop office

 

       4        development, we can do a mixture of the two.

 

       5        Oddly enough, there is a curiosity in the way

 

       6        that our comp plan and traffic work together.

 

       7             A neighborhood commercial designation on

 

       8        this property generates less peak-hour traffic.

 

       9        Absolutely no traffic during the morning peak

 

      10        hour because it's commercial.  There's nobody

 

      11        there.  And the rest of the traffic generated by

 

      12        this site occurs over an 11-hour time frame

 

      13        during the course of the day, and it's spread

 

      14        pretty uniformly; differently from multifamily,

 

      15        which is all 7:30 in the morning, 5:30 in the

 

      16        evening; different from office, which is 7:30 in

 

      17        the morning, 5:30 in the afternoon.

 

      18             I see the red light.  I'm going to just

 

      19        stop and see if anybody has a question.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Saylor.

 

      21             Any questions from the committee?

 

      22             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Thank you, sir.

 

      24             MR. SAYLOR:  Thanks.

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  Bill Dobscha.

 

 

 

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       1             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

       2             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  How are y'all?

 

       3             I'm Sergeant Bill Dobscha.  I actually have

 

       4        the traffic in the -- San Marco, Southside, and

 

       5        the area in question.

 

       6             I was asked to basically bring some traffic

 

       7        stats up.  What I've done was I pulled the stats

 

       8        for the last two years.  I've got a copy for

 

       9        y'all.

 

      10             I've been in the area for five years, lots

 

      11        of knowledge.  Any questions y'all have for me,

 

      12        I'd be glad to answer them in regards to

 

      13        traffic, especially on San Jose.

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Dobscha, I have a

 

      15        question.

 

      16             MR. DOBSCHA:  Yes, sir.

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  Are you here as a -- are you

 

      18        on the clock?

 

      19             MR. DOBSCHA:  No, sir.

 

      20             Mr. Ingram asked me to get some stats.

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  So are you being

 

      22        compensated for your --

 

      23             MR. DOBSCHA:  No, sir.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  -- presence here today?

 

      25             MR. DOBSCHA:  No, sir.

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  I'm just surprised that you

 

       2        wore your uniform if you're not acting in an

 

       3        official capacity.

 

       4             MR. DOBSCHA:  I came from work.

 

       5             THE CHAIRMAN:  You came from work?

 

       6             MR. DOBSCHA:  Yes, sir.

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  Any questions?

 

       8             Mr. Joost.

 

       9             MR. JOOST:  Thank you.

 

      10             So this is an area you normally patrol?

 

      11             MR. DOBSCHA:  Yes, sir.

 

      12             MR. JOOST:  How long have you been on the

 

      13        police force?

 

      14             MR. DOBSCHA:  Since 1996.

 

      15             MR. JOOST:  So what other areas have you

 

      16        patrolled?

 

      17             MR. DOBSCHA:  This is it.

 

      18             MR. JOOST:  Are you just assigned to the

 

      19        traffic division, per se?

 

      20             MR. DOBSCHA:  Yes, sir.  I have the traffic

 

      21        squad in the Southside area, Zone 3.

 

      22             MR. JOOST:  Okay.  In that particular area,

 

      23        how would you describe the traffic in -- in the

 

      24        late afternoon, as congested, free-flowing?

 

      25             MR. DOBSCHA:  Northbound is very

 

 

 

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       1        free-flowing.  Southbound, the lights cycle very

 

       2        well.  The issue has always been the light at

 

       3        Beauclerc with the two northbound lanes.

 

       4             I mean, I don't sway either way.  If I had

 

       5        my choice, that would be a regular light because

 

       6        that -- most of the crashes you see on the paper

 

       7        are at that intersection.  They have nothing to

 

       8        do with --

 

       9             MR. JOOST:  Right, because people are

 

      10        swerving over at the last minute or they --

 

      11        everybody else keeps going and they think they

 

      12        can keep going.

 

      13             MR. DOBSCHA:  Yes, sir.

 

      14             MR. JOOST:  Okay.  Thank you.

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Joost.

 

      16             Any other questions from the committee?

 

      17             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Dobscha.

 

      19             MR. DOBSCHA:  Thank you.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  Kyle Gavin, followed by

 

      21        Marian Dixon, followed by Robert O'Quinn, and

 

      22        Mark Usdin.

 

      23             Mr. Gavin.

 

      24             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

      25             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Hi.

 

 

 

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       1             My name is Kyle Gavin.  I live at 3760

 

       2        Rubin Road.

 

       3             I've lived at that location for about

 

       4        20 years.  I'm across the street from the

 

       5        proposed development, across San Jose Boulevard.

 

       6             My concern is -- we heard the testimony

 

       7        earlier about maybe one -- one or two cars a

 

       8        minute going in there.  I can tell you, living

 

       9        there from 20 -- for 20-something years, if

 

      10        you're driving northbound on San Jose during the

 

      11        afternoon rush-hour traffic -- I've literally

 

      12        sat in the median there for ten minutes trying

 

      13        to get across three lanes of traffic because

 

      14        it's backed up from Beauclerc all the way back

 

      15        past Baymeadows Road and further north from

 

      16        that, and so the traffic is heavy there.

 

      17             So my concern with this development is

 

      18        you're going to have to have a light right

 

      19        across the street from Harbor Acres Road to get

 

      20        people in and out.  There is no way during rush

 

      21        hour traffic for about an hour-and-a-half period

 

      22        that someone's going to be able to come out of

 

      23        this development and turn southbound.  It's just

 

      24        not -- you're going -- they're going to be

 

      25        backed up in that median going way back to

 

 

 

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       1        Goodby's Creek.

 

       2             And to get to my road, Rubin Road, you

 

       3        know, you're going to have cars backed up, that

 

       4        it -- won't be anyplace for me to pull in to

 

       5        make a left-hand turn, so you're going to have

 

       6        problems.

 

       7             I noticed in the written description with

 

       8        the amendments, they want the opportunity to be

 

       9        able to build an outparcel, including -- with

 

      10        drive-through capabilities.  Well, that doesn't

 

      11        sound like there won't be any morning traffic.

 

      12        That sounds to me like a Dunkin' Donuts or

 

      13        something where people are going to be trying to

 

      14        pull into there, and so you have a major -- you

 

      15        know, the -- Beauclerc Road is a -- is a major

 

      16        outlet onto San Jose.  That's a huge

 

      17        neighborhood back in there, and you -- and I

 

      18        think one thing they're forgetting in all this

 

      19        traffic planning is how Beauclerc Road impacts

 

      20        the traffic along there, and you're -- you're

 

      21        just -- you're going to have to have a light.

 

      22             Now, you'd have to have a light about 300

 

      23        or -- 3- or 400 feet from the Beauclerc.  And as

 

      24        I was driving in this morning, I was looking at

 

      25        how close traffic lights are spaced as you move

 

 

 

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       1        in, and you're simply going to have to have a

 

       2        light there to let people in and out, and you're

 

       3        going to be in a situation where -- there are no

 

       4        lights on San Jose that are as close.  You're

 

       5        going to hit the Beauclerc light.  As soon as

 

       6        you get through it, there's -- it's going to

 

       7        have to be another light.

 

       8             I heard comments earlier about, well, we

 

       9        want to promote pedestrian traffic, and that

 

      10        really horrified me because to get pedestrians

 

      11        or bicyclists across six lanes of busy traffic

 

      12        going 45 to 55 miles an hour in that area,

 

      13        you're going to have a lot of accidents and

 

      14        problems there, and so I would recommend voting

 

      15        against this.

 

      16             I think the -- the current -- I see my

 

      17        light is red.  If there are any questions --

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Gavin.

 

      19             Any questions from the committee?

 

      20             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Thank you, sir.

 

      22             Marian Dixon.

 

      23             Marian Dixon is not -- oh, here she is.

 

      24             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

      25             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Marian Dixon, 3786

 

 

 

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       1        Harbor Acres Lane.

 

       2             My house is right on the corner of

 

       3        Harbor Acres and San Jose, right across the

 

       4        street from this proposed location.

 

       5             I did e-mail everybody on the committee,

 

       6        but I don't think, because of your e-mail

 

       7        problems, that everyone got a copy.  I called

 

       8        offices to ask and I got messages.  So I'm

 

       9        giving you -- the members that I did not receive

 

      10        callbacks, to make sure that you know that I am

 

      11        opposed to this, both for traffic and for

 

      12        environmental.

 

      13             I think environmental is also a key thing

 

      14        that's been kind of glossed over, and I am very

 

      15        concerned about that.  We are all on well water

 

      16        and we depend on the aquifer.  And I think that

 

      17        also, along with the traffic and everything

 

      18        else, makes this a key issue, and so I am

 

      19        opposed to it.

 

      20             Thank you.

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Ms. Dixon.

 

      22             Any questions from the committee?

 

      23             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Robert O'Quinn.

 

      25             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

 

 

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       1             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  I'm Robert O'Quinn.  I

 

       2        live at 3715 Harbor Acres Lane, right down the

 

       3        street from Ms. Dixon and a street to the north

 

       4        from Kyle Gavin.  I've lived there for

 

       5        30 years.  My wife moved in there in '67.

 

       6             The overriding predominant use of the

 

       7        surrounding area is residential, be it composed

 

       8        of single-family residential or RPI.

 

       9             You know, to cut to the chase, what

 

      10        happened was this little LLC bought this

 

      11        five-and-a-half acres from our street.  They

 

      12        bought it when it was zoned RPI.  You have to

 

      13        have -- sure, you can put commercial in RPI, but

 

      14        you have to have residential in there.  It was

 

      15        approved for five -- or for 60 condo units.

 

      16        And, of course, they bought it.  They were going

 

      17        to build condos, like everybody else.  The condo

 

      18        market tanked.  Now they want to shift from

 

      19        themselves the risk of their poor investment

 

      20        onto the poor folks, us across the street, so

 

      21        they can have stand-alone commercial, which is

 

      22        for the NC change they're asking about.

 

      23             As I said, the predominant use all around

 

      24        the area is residential, both on the west side

 

      25        of San Jose and on the east side of San Jose.

 

 

 

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       1        The only areas where there is true commercial

 

       2        are at the intersections of San Jose as you're

 

       3        heading north at Baymeadows Road and University

 

       4        and Emerson.

 

       5             You know, Councilman Bishop and Holt, y'all

 

       6        were concerned about encroachment on Loretto

 

       7        Road.  Well, that's what's going to happen here

 

       8        if this is approved.  We're going to have

 

       9        further encroachment on San Jose into the

 

      10        neighborhood there, including across the west

 

      11        side to my neighborhood.

 

      12             The traffic problem is that -- even if

 

      13        there's not an overall increase in the number of

 

      14        cars going up and down San Jose, it's the nature

 

      15        of the use that's key.  You've got -- if you're

 

      16        going to be -- if you approve this and they're

 

      17        going to be selling alcohol in there, like

 

      18        they've requested and like your approval would

 

      19        do, is -- you're going to have people coming out

 

      20        of there at 2 o'clock in the morning who have

 

      21        been drinking.  And if they want to turn left,

 

      22        heading south, they're going to have to

 

      23        negotiate the two dedicated northbound through

 

      24        lanes of San Jose Boulevard.  They're then going

 

      25        to have to -- and then the nondedicated

 

 

 

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       1        northbound lane, then they're going to have to

 

       2        get into the confusing median between the north

 

       3        and southbound lanes, and then they're going to

 

       4        have to negotiate the southbound lanes of

 

       5        traffic, all that turning left.

 

       6             And when they're doing that at 2 o'clock in

 

       7        the morning, leaving the places in this

 

       8        development, we'll be hearing more from the

 

       9        officer.

 

      10             Thank you.

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, sir.

 

      12             Any questions for Mr. O'Quinn from the

 

      13        committee?

 

      14             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Our last speaker

 

      16        is Mark Usdin.

 

      17             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Yes, sir.

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  Am I pronouncing your name

 

      19        correctly?

 

      20             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

      21             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Yes, you are,

 

      22        Councilman Crescimbeni.

 

      23             It's Mark Usdin, 3736 Rubin Road, and I

 

      24        live next door to Mr. Gavin, across from this

 

      25        area that's -- the proposal is for.

 

 

 

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       1             The traffic is something.  I've only been

 

       2        there three to four years, but the traffic

 

       3        pattern there is a very delicate, complex

 

       4        pattern that any -- any of us who have been in

 

       5        that area recognize.  And I can only see this

 

       6        adding to the complexity and adding to the

 

       7        danger in that area, and that's why I'm in

 

       8        opposition to this proposal.

 

       9             And I would concur with some of the other

 

      10        statements by Mr. O'Quinn as to even more

 

      11        complexity to that problem when you have alcohol

 

      12        involved, if that's the development that occurs

 

      13        in that proposed area.

 

      14             Thank you very much.

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, sir.

 

      16             Any questions from the committee?

 

      17             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  I have no other

 

      19        speaker cards.  Does anyone else care to address

 

      20        the committee?

 

      21             MR. O'QUINN:  I'd point out that while

 

      22        there are no more speaker cards, we have four

 

      23        more people who live on Harbor Acres Lane that

 

      24        oppose it.

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you.

 

 

 

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       1             Anyone else care to address the committee?

 

       2             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing none, the

 

       4        public hearing is closed and we are back in

 

       5        committee.

 

       6             MR. JOOST:  Move to deny.

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion to deny by Mr. Joost.

 

       8             Is there a second?

 

       9             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  That motion dies for a lack

 

      11        of a second.

 

      12             MR. BISHOP:  Move the bill.

 

      13             MR. REDMAN:  Second.

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion to approve by

 

      15        Mr. Bishop, second by Mr. Redman.

 

      16             Discussion on the motion?

 

      17             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  If not, open the ballot,

 

      19        vote.

 

      20             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      21             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes nay.)

 

      22             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      23             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

      24             MR. D. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      25             MR. JOOST:  (Votes nay.)

 

 

 

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       1             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       2             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

       3             MS. LAHMEUR:  Four yeas, two nay.

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  By our action, you've

 

       5        approved item 18, 2010-584.

 

       6             Item 19, the companion rezoning, was not

 

       7        taken up by the Planning Commission, so we

 

       8        cannot take action on that.

 

       9             We do have a public hearing scheduled.  The

 

      10        public hearing is open.  Does anyone that filled

 

      11        out a speaker's card care to address the

 

      12        committee?

 

      13             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing none, the public

 

      15        hearing is continued until September 21st and

 

      16        there's no other action on that bill tonight.

 

      17             I'm sorry.  Mr. Redman and Mr. Joost and

 

      18        Mr. Bishop.

 

      19             Mr. Redman.

 

      20             MR. REDMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

 

      21             I needed to declare ex-parte with

 

      22        Tom Ingram and Bob Elrod.  Tom Ingram, referring

 

      23        to his supporting this, and Bob Elrod to his --

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  Hang on one second,

 

      25        Mr. Redman.

 

 

 

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       1             Mr. Reingold, do we need to declare

 

       2        ex-parte if we're not taking up the bill?

 

       3        Doesn't that need to be done, like, prior to a

 

       4        public hearing?

 

       5             MR. REINGOLD:  Well, it -- you're

 

       6        absolutely correct, sir.  There's no need to do

 

       7        it tonight.  Technically, if they do it tonight,

 

       8        therefore, it's still before the public hearing

 

       9        that happens next time; however, it's -- it's

 

      10        still technically before the public hearing.

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  I have some ex-parte, but

 

      12        I'm going to reserve it till that bill actually

 

      13        comes up, and I would ask the committee to do

 

      14        likewise.

 

      15             All right.  We're at the break point for

 

      16        the court reporter.

 

      17             Ms. Tropia, how much time do you need?

 

      18             (Discussion held off the record.)

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  We're going to

 

      20        take a ten-minute recess.  It is 20 after the

 

      21        hour.  We'll reconvene at 7:30.

 

      22             (Brief recess.)

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  We're going to

 

      24        reconvene the Land Use and Zoning Committee

 

      25        meeting.  It is about 7:32.  And before we take

 

 

 

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       1        up item 20, I have a request from

 

       2        Councilman Brown to skip ahead to take up an

 

       3        item in his district, item 26, on page 9,

 

       4        2010-592.

 

       5             Mr. Crofts.  Sorry to catch you off-guard.

 

       6        2010-592, item 26.

 

       7             MR. CROFTS:  Yes, sir, Mr. Chairman,

 

       8        members of the committee.

 

       9             Item 26, ordinance 2010-592, is a proposed

 

      10        land use amendment to the future land use map

 

      11        series of the 2030 Comprehensive Plan seeking to

 

      12        modify 7.3 acres located at several addresses

 

      13        south of J. Turner Butler Boulevard and

 

      14        San Pablo Road.

 

      15             Basically, this is in the Southeast

 

      16        Planning District.  It is in Council District

 

      17        13.  The request is a change from AGR-3 to

 

      18        AGR-4.

 

      19             A little bit of history on this property is

 

      20        that -- this is a correction.  In 2002, there

 

      21        was basically an inadvertent mapping error

 

      22        and -- in the verification of legal [sic], and

 

      23        inadvertently an 80-foot-wide strip was left out

 

      24        of a land use amendment that was subsequently

 

      25        rezoned PUD under the name of Valencia Village.

 

 

 

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       1        This created an inconsistency between the land

 

       2        use designation and the underlying zoning.

 

       3             What we're attempting to do now as this

 

       4        development fills in ultimately and ultimately

 

       5        develops is to correct this land use designation

 

       6        to AGR, to allow that to legally happen.

 

       7             Thank you.

 

       8             We recommend approval.

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Crofts.

 

      10             We have a public hearing scheduled this

 

      11        evening, one speaker's card.  The public hearing

 

      12        is open.  Susan Green, another former Planning

 

      13        Department staffer.

 

      14             It's like been a reunion tonight,

 

      15        Mr. Riley, Mr. Saylor, and now Ms. Green.

 

      16             Ms. Green, go ahead.

 

      17             MS. GREEN:  I'm honored to belong to that

 

      18        club.

 

      19             Susan Green of Green & Kupperman, 200 First

 

      20        Street, Suite B, Neptune Beach, Florida 32266,

 

      21        representing all the landowners and the

 

      22        homeowners association for what is now known as

 

      23        Pablo Creek Reserve.

 

      24             Mr. Crofts did an elegant job of taking my

 

      25        presentation for me, so I'm just here for

 

 

 

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       1        questions.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Ms. Green.

 

       3             Any questions from the committee?

 

       4             MR. JOOST:  (Indicating.)

 

       5             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Joost.

 

       6             MR. JOOST:  Through the Chair, thanks for

 

       7        coming down.  I guess my only concern was -- is

 

       8        to make sure everybody double-checks because

 

       9        these little map changes led to the big, big

 

      10        problem out there by -- what is it, Imeson, some

 

      11        years ago?

 

      12             MR. CROFTS:  It's coming up later.

 

      13             MR. JOOST:  It's coming up again?

 

      14             So we're not -- we're not just -- we're not

 

      15        recreating any of that problem again?

 

      16             MR. CROFTS:  No, sir.

 

      17             MR. REINGOLD:  Actually, sir, this is

 

      18        exactly the way it should be done, which is

 

      19        through the process, through a public hearing.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Reingold.

 

      21             MR. JOOST:  So all the notices and

 

      22        everything were put out and all the neighbors

 

      23        are --

 

      24             MR. CROFTS:  Yes.

 

      25             MR. JOOST:  Okay.  Thank you.

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Joost.

 

       2             Any other questions?

 

       3             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Anyone else care

 

       5        to address the committee?

 

       6             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing no one, the public

 

       8        hearing is closed.

 

       9             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill.

 

      10             MR. D. BROWN:  Second.

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion to approve by

 

      12        Mr. Joost, second by Mr. Brown.

 

      13             Any discussion?

 

      14             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  If not, open the ballot,

 

      16        vote.

 

      17             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      18             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

      19             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      20             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

      21             MR. D. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      22             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      23             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      24             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      25             MS. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nay.

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you have

 

       2        approved item 26, 2010-592.

 

       3             MS. GREEN:  Thank you very much.

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  We will now return to

 

       5        page 7, item 20, 2010-586.

 

       6             Mr. Crofts.

 

       7             MR. CROFTS:  Item 20, ordinance 2010-586,

 

       8        is a proposed land use amendment to the future

 

       9        land use map series to the 2030 Comprehensive

 

      10        Plan seeking to modify 5.8 acres of land located

 

      11        at 9227 Baymeadows Road in the Southeast

 

      12        Planning District, in Council District 13.

 

      13             The request is to change the land use

 

      14        designation from MDR, medium density

 

      15        residential, to CGC, which is commercial/general

 

      16        commercial.

 

      17             The project's location along Baymeadows

 

      18        Road is between two primary entrances,

 

      19        Baymeadows Circle East and Baymeadows Circle

 

      20        West, which lead into the Baymeadows community,

 

      21        and we are concerned about it because of the

 

      22        impact that it has and the interface that it has

 

      23        between the proposed development, between it and

 

      24        the -- and, again, the neighborhood that's

 

      25        adjacent to it.

 

 

 

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       1             This is the critical aspect of the Planning

 

       2        Department's evaluation of this particular

 

       3        proposal:  Because the department feels that the

 

       4        proposal does not contain certain innovative

 

       5        site design, smart growth ideas, and other

 

       6        unique planning efforts to relate positively

 

       7        with the adjacent Baymeadows community, the

 

       8        staff of the department recommends denial of

 

       9        this proposal.

 

      10             The department feels that this proposal to

 

      11        date reflects an unimaginative approach to

 

      12        development and, again, is not integrated and

 

      13        does not recognize or positively interface with

 

      14        the character and the viability and the

 

      15        direction of planning and other activities in

 

      16        the Baymeadows community.

 

      17             Again, for example, the proposed access

 

      18        presents a potential conflict with the

 

      19        residential traffic and the proposed commercial

 

      20        traffic, and this is inconsistent with goal 3

 

      21        and policies 1.14, 224, 229, and 3.24, which, in

 

      22        general, discuss the balances that are needed

 

      23        between proposed land uses and the maintenance

 

      24        of neighborhoods and the avoidance of negative

 

      25        traffic and other impacts on our precious living

 

 

 

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       1        areas or our neighborhoods.

 

       2             In our eyes, the proposed amendment is

 

       3        premature and the applicant has not been

 

       4        responsive to the goals of the Baymeadows

 

       5        community.  Once again, it is not innovative and

 

       6        responsive to promote the stability within that

 

       7        area and has done minimal effort to mitigate

 

       8        some of the potential adverse impacts that it

 

       9        would create.

 

      10             For these reasons, the Planning and

 

      11        Development Department recommends denial.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Crofts.

 

      13             The Planning Commission approved this?

 

      14             MR. CROFTS:  Right, yes.

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  Do you know what the vote

 

      16        was on that?

 

      17             MR. KELLY:  That's correct.

 

      18             The department, at the time of the Planning

 

      19        Commission hearing, had been, I guess, kind of

 

      20        working through the issue.

 

      21             Initially, our staff report, as John

 

      22        indicated, we had a strong recommendation of

 

      23        denial.  We felt it was premature as the request

 

      24        was not being done in conjunction with the

 

      25        neighborhood study and the future improvements

 

 

 

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       1        that were going to go on in that area, so the

 

       2        department had conversations with the applicant

 

       3        that indicated in e-mails that he was

 

       4        progressively working with the neighborhood

 

       5        association to resolve those differences.

 

       6             There had been probably three or four site

 

       7        plan changes, in fact, up to the day of Planning

 

       8        Commission that had occurred, so there have been

 

       9        some improvements in the site design; however,

 

      10        the department, again, at this juncture, does

 

      11        not feel that this is appropriate at this time.

 

      12        Again, it is premature.

 

      13             But the department, during the Planning

 

      14        Commission time, there was information that

 

      15        indicated the applicant had support of the

 

      16        neighborhood association, which is not accurate

 

      17        as of this time and as of that day.

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Kelly.

 

      19             Mr. Reingold.

 

      20             MR. REINGOLD:  To the Chair, I think we've

 

      21        got a number of people in the audience for this

 

      22        item.  I didn't know if you wanted to just open

 

      23        the public hearing and have discussion on a

 

      24        deferral request that I believe has been made by

 

      25        the applicant and sort of work through that

 

 

 

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       1        issue or whether you would just like to open it

 

       2        up for all issues and then decide how the

 

       3        committee wants to go from there.

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  Well, just for the record,

 

       5        who received that request for a deferral?  Was

 

       6        it Mr. Crofts or Mr. Kelly?

 

       7             MR. REINGOLD:  To the Chair --

 

       8             MR. KELLY:  I believe -- the department, we

 

       9        received a request for deferral, at which point

 

      10        earlier today I indicated that it may not be

 

      11        granted and that the applicant should be here to

 

      12        attend the meeting as they may take action -- as

 

      13        the committee may take action.

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Thank you, sir.

 

      15             I don't believe I received a request, but I

 

      16        know we did talk about it at the agenda meeting,

 

      17        so -- we do have a public hearing scheduled this

 

      18        evening and it's my intent to conduct the public

 

      19        hearing.  I have a stack of cards here, but only

 

      20        a few of them have indicated they want to speak,

 

      21        but I'll run through all of them just to make

 

      22        sure I'm not overlooking anybody, but most

 

      23        people have checked "questions only."

 

      24             So, with that, we will -- I'm sorry,

 

      25        Mr. Bishop, did you have a question?

 

 

 

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       1             MR. BISHOP:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

 

       2             I have a question.  I don't know if it's

 

       3        for Mr. Kelly or Mr. Reingold.  I noticed this

 

       4        particular site has a lake on it.  I'm presuming

 

       5        that's a retention pond; is that accurate?

 

       6             MR. KELLY:  On the zoning, correct.

 

       7             There's -- this is the old golf course,

 

       8        Baymeadows Golf Course, between Baymeadows --

 

       9             MR. BISHOP:  Well, this is the piece of

 

      10        property right on Baymeadows Road?

 

      11             MR. KELLY:  That's correct.

 

      12             MR. BISHOP:  Okay.  I don't recall that

 

      13        particular site being part of the old golf

 

      14        course.  I could be wrong.  It's been a while,

 

      15        but --

 

      16             MR. KELLY:  It's the par three.

 

      17             MR. BISHOP:  And I guess the question is,

 

      18        is it relevant at this point what happens to the

 

      19        lake or is that something that will be dealt

 

      20        with potentially at some future point?

 

      21             MR. KELLY:  Potentially, under the PUD,

 

      22        they have proposed on their site plan,

 

      23        conceptually, a revision to the location of the

 

      24        lake, which would be in the middle of the

 

      25        property, between the two outparcels.

 

 

 

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       1             MR. BISHOP:  Okay.  Thank you.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Bishop.

 

       3             We have a public hearing scheduled.  The

 

       4        public hearing is open, and my first three cards

 

       5        seem to be the only ones designated to speak.

 

       6        I'm going to call the names, if you'll work your

 

       7        way forward, please:  Jeff Macfarlan, Frank

 

       8        Morgan, and Chris Flagg.

 

       9             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

      10             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Good evening.

 

      11             Jeff Macfarlan, 6500 Bowden Road,

 

      12        Suite 290, Jacksonville, Florida 32216.

 

      13             I'm here as the applicant on this 5.8-acre

 

      14        land use bill that's in front of us.

 

      15             Initially, I did request a deferral on

 

      16        this, but I will -- I'll move ahead with my

 

      17        presentation seeing that there are other

 

      18        speakers.

 

      19             As designated by the -- I'm sorry, step

 

      20        back.

 

      21             The project is located on Baymeadows Road.

 

      22        It's about a quarter mile east of I-95, between

 

      23        Baymeadows Circle East and West.  It is -- has

 

      24        been -- this area has been designated by the

 

      25        City's Southeast Vision Plan as a commercial

 

 

 

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       1        corridor.

 

       2             It is bordered by RPI to the north and the

 

       3        east and CGC to the west and the south.  There

 

       4        is an office building to the north, a bank to

 

       5        the west, a hotel across the road to the south,

 

       6        and office condos on the east side of Baymeadows

 

       7        Circle East.

 

       8             We are seeking a commercial land use to

 

       9        provide compatibility along this stretch of

 

      10        Baymeadows Road and follow recommendations by

 

      11        the Southeast Vision Plan.

 

      12             Over the past few months, we've met with

 

      13        the Baymeadows community several times to

 

      14        discuss the project.  Our first meeting with

 

      15        representatives of the Baymeadows Community

 

      16        Council was in early June and then we met again

 

      17        a few weeks later with the Baymeadows Community

 

      18        Council and their planning consultant.

 

      19             We then organized a meeting in mid August

 

      20        with the neighborhood where we presented our

 

      21        site plan and listened to the concerns of the

 

      22        neighborhood.  We then had a second follow-up

 

      23        neighborhood meeting with the community a few

 

      24        weeks after that, which we presented a new plan

 

      25        that we feel addressed most of their concerns.

 

 

 

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       1             We feel that we put a strong effort to work

 

       2        with the community and the Baymeadows Community

 

       3        Council and its leaders.  As you will see

 

       4        tonight -- and I think you'll hear from some of

 

       5        the other speakers that there is a master plan

 

       6        proposed for the community.  At this point, it

 

       7        has not been completed, to my knowledge, so

 

       8        that's been giving us a slight disadvantage in

 

       9        trying to address all of those master plan

 

      10        principles.  We feel that we should not be held

 

      11        to a master plan that has not been completed as

 

      12        of yet, and we look for your support on this

 

      13        land use amendment.

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Macfarlan.

 

      15             Any questions from the committee?

 

      16             MR. REDMAN:  Yes.

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Redman.

 

      18             MR. REDMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

 

      19             Mr. Macfarlan, who do you work for?  Who

 

      20        hired you to represent Golden Corral for this?

 

      21             MR. MACFARLAN:  I work for King Engineering

 

      22        Associates.

 

      23             MR. REDMAN:  Okay.  But they're not the

 

      24        ones that are paying you as a representative for

 

      25        this, are they?

 

 

 

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       1             MR. MACFARLAN:  Actually, it's been both

 

       2        Golden Corral and the owner of the property, so

 

       3        it's been sort of a joint --

 

       4             MR. REDMAN:  Okay.  D.R. Horton didn't hire

 

       5        you?

 

       6             MR. MACFARLAN:  No, not originally, they

 

       7        did not.

 

       8             MR. REDMAN:  Are they paying you now or --

 

       9             MR. MACFARLAN:  Yes, they are now.

 

      10             Originally, they -- you know, it started as

 

      11        the -- an effort in conjunction -- well, still

 

      12        an effort in conjunction with Golden Corral.

 

      13        They are a potential end user on the eastern

 

      14        portion of the project.

 

      15             MR. REDMAN:  So you are working for whom on

 

      16        this?

 

      17             MR. MACFARLAN:  Currently, if would be

 

      18        D.R. Horton.

 

      19             MR. REDMAN:  Okay.  Thank you.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Macfarlan, I'm going to

 

      21        have one of the committee aides walk this card

 

      22        back out to you and you probably need to put

 

      23        that on this card since you signed it and you

 

      24        only wrote down "applicant."

 

      25             Any other questions from the committee?

 

 

 

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       1             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Thank you,

 

       3        Mr. Macfarlan.  If you'll just hang out on the

 

       4        front row in case there's any -- Mr. Joost has a

 

       5        question.

 

       6             MR. HOLT:  (Inaudible.)

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  Is it for Mr. Macfarlan?

 

       8             MR. HOLT:  Through the Chair to

 

       9        Mr. Macfarlan, we don't have site plan

 

      10        information in our book because the Planning

 

      11        Commission didn't take action.  Do you, by any

 

      12        chance, have a site plan that I could look at?

 

      13             MR. MACFARLAN:  I do.

 

      14             MR. HOLT:  I know it's not part of the land

 

      15        use, but I'd appreciate it.

 

      16             MR. MACFARLAN:  I have -- actually, in this

 

      17        package that I have here there are three site

 

      18        plans, so it will show the progression from

 

      19        where we started.  The last page is our current

 

      20        plan.

 

      21             MR. HOLT:  Thank you.

 

      22             I just want to look at that.

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Holt.

 

      24             All right.  Mr. Macfarlan, like I said, if

 

      25        you'll just stay on the front row for any

 

 

 

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       1        additional questions, you'll be accessible.

 

       2             Our next speaker is Frank Morgan.

 

       3             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

       4             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Yes.  My name is Frank

 

       5        Morgan.  I live at 7968 Los Robles Court,

 

       6        Jacksonville, 32256.

 

       7             I attended your last committee meeting as

 

       8        Chair of the Southeast Vision Plan Steering

 

       9        Committee and spoke in support of that plan.

 

      10        You voted unanimously to approve our vision for

 

      11        Southeast Jacksonville and a vision that

 

      12        includes planning principles that encourage and

 

      13        incentivize the revitalization of older

 

      14        neighborhoods.  The Southeast Vision Plan has

 

      15        subsequently been adopted as ordinance 2010-615.

 

      16             Today, I come to you as president of

 

      17        Baymeadows Community Council asking you to

 

      18        endorse those principles by voting for the

 

      19        denial of this application for a land use change

 

      20        and rezoning.

 

      21             The Baymeadows Community Council is

 

      22        comprised of ten condominiums, homeowner

 

      23        associations, and apartment owners that make up

 

      24        the Baymeadows Golf Club neighborhood.  This

 

      25        neighborhood was developed in the early '70s

 

 

 

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       1        around the Baymeadows Golf Club and includes

 

       2        over 2,000 residences.  The golf course was

 

       3        purchased and closed in 2005, and this community

 

       4        has since been caught in a downward spiral in

 

       5        property values and quality of life, a condition

 

       6        that we hope with your help to reverse.

 

       7             Mr. Chair, I would request that you

 

       8        acknowledge the presence of other homeowners in

 

       9        this neighborhood by allowing them to stand.

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  You can ask them to stand.

 

      11             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (Comply.)

 

      12             MR. MORGAN:  I also have 460 petitions in

 

      13        opposition of these -- of both of these

 

      14        applications for your file.  These are primarily

 

      15        from homeowners who were not able to attend here

 

      16        tonight.

 

      17             The parcel that is the subject of this

 

      18        proposed land use amendment and companion zoning

 

      19        district change is the entrance to our

 

      20        neighborhood.  For almost 40 years that has been

 

      21        one of the most beautiful par-three waterfalls

 

      22        in Jacksonville, one that identified the golf

 

      23        course and gave the neighborhood its sense of

 

      24        place.  By allowing it to be replaced by another

 

      25        outparcel-style strip commercial development

 

 

 

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       1        with acres of bare parking lot, you would be

 

       2        sanctioning a negative change in the identity

 

       3        for this neighborhood while overlooking several

 

       4        subprinciples of the vision plan.

 

       5             The Planning and Development Department has

 

       6        recommended denial of the application based

 

       7        primarily on its inconsistency with two

 

       8        objectives and seven policies of the 2030

 

       9        Comprehensive Plan future land use element.

 

      10        Those inconsistencies center around the lack of

 

      11        smart growth techniques and the application's

 

      12        failure to mitigate the adverse impacts of the

 

      13        proposed development on the adjacent

 

      14        neighborhood.

 

      15             I would like to point out that this staff

 

      16        recommendation was written prior to the adoption

 

      17        of the Southeast Vision Plan.  Otherwise, it

 

      18        would have also included inconsistencies with

 

      19        that vision plan.

 

      20             Additionally, the recommendation notes that

 

      21        the proposed access to the site is via

 

      22        Baymeadows Circle East and West, both of which

 

      23        are privately owned, privately maintained, and

 

      24        provide the gateways to our community.

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Morgan, your time is

 

 

 

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       1        expired.  Do you have much more to present?

 

       2             MR. MORGAN:  No, sir.

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Thank you, sir.

 

       4             MR. MORGAN:  As I previously mentioned, the

 

       5        neighborhood is currently working closely with

 

       6        the City to prepare a master plan that will

 

       7        address site access and traffic conflict

 

       8        concerns and part -- as part of a redesign of

 

       9        the entrances to the neighborhood.

 

      10             Development of this site is integral to the

 

      11        success of our master plan and the viability of

 

      12        our redevelopment goals and any approval of this

 

      13        application to amend the land use designation

 

      14        destabilizes the subject of the current planning

 

      15        process.

 

      16             Although there are many commercial uses

 

      17        currently found in the area of the subject

 

      18        property, that does not in itself indicate the

 

      19        best use of the site.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  The --

 

      21             MR. MORGAN:  The master plan, once

 

      22        completed, should --

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  I'm going to have to cut you

 

      24        off there.  I'm trying to be fair to everybody.

 

      25             MR. MORGAN:  Fine.

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  We allow three minutes; I

 

       2        think you had about four-and-a-half.

 

       3             Mr. Bishop and Mr. Redman have questions.

 

       4        Maybe that will help.

 

       5             MR. BISHOP:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

 

       6             Something in your talk spurred a question

 

       7        in me.  You talked about this particular project

 

       8        not being consistent with the Southeast Vision

 

       9        Plan.  Could you be more specific on why that

 

      10        is?

 

      11             MR. MORGAN:  I indicated in my PowerPoint

 

      12        that I e-mailed to each of you this morning --

 

      13        possibly you didn't get a chance to read it, but

 

      14        there are a number of paragraphs that I could

 

      15        read to you.

 

      16             The committee would like to emphasize the

 

      17        following points:  Developers should be

 

      18        carefully planned -- developments should be

 

      19        carefully planned, tightly concentrant, with no

 

      20        sprawl or pocketing.  Only minimal exceptions to

 

      21        zoning should be allowed and only when they are

 

      22        compatible with the surrounding areas and

 

      23        comprehensive land use plan.

 

      24             One of the principles is to improve the

 

      25        transportation connectivity between east and

 

 

 

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       1        west of this district.  For example, the

 

       2        Planning and Development Department should

 

       3        facilitate the redevelopment of the I-95/JTB

 

       4        interchange and the new road projects proposed

 

       5        by the Baymeadows Area Transportation Study.

 

       6             I bring this study up in a subsequent

 

       7        conversation about the -- the zoning change.

 

       8             Improve connectivity at existing

 

       9        transportation systems, facilitate

 

      10        interconnectivity by restricting the number of

 

      11        curbs -- curb-cuts along the connections and

 

      12        arterials and improve traffic flow.  Protect

 

      13        green buffer recreation and open-space-oriented

 

      14        communities, including golf course communities,

 

      15        from future developments by assigning special

 

      16        land use designations to that open space.

 

      17             Establish incentives and prioritize

 

      18        redevelopments and revitalization of declining

 

      19        neighborhoods and commercial areas.

 

      20        Neighborhoods should also reap the benefits of

 

      21        creative developments under the vision plan,

 

      22        providing for features that were omitted by the

 

      23        original developers such as small parks and/or

 

      24        community centers should be part of that plan.

 

      25             There are others, but I will -- I'll stop

 

 

 

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       1        there.

 

       2             MR. BISHOP:  Okay.  Thank you.

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  Does staff have a copy of

 

       4        the PowerPoint presentation?

 

       5             MS. LAHMEUR:  No.

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  Do you have a copy of the

 

       7        PowerPoint presentation in print?

 

       8             MR. MORGAN:  Yes.

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  If you do, if you'll just

 

      10        submit it, we'll add that to the record.

 

      11             MR. MORGAN:  Okay.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Redman.

 

      13             MR. REDMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

 

      14             Mr. Morgan, Mr. Macfarlan says that he met

 

      15        with the neighborhood and -- I know in his

 

      16        conversation with me, he told me that he thought

 

      17        you-all were making progress.  At any time were

 

      18        y'all happy with what their plans were for this

 

      19        Golden Corral to be put there?

 

      20             MR. MORGAN:  We, as a neighborhood, have

 

      21        attempted not to be obstructive in this process,

 

      22        and we have met with Mr. Macfarlan.  We have

 

      23        reviewed his original site plan.  We made

 

      24        comments on that site plan.  He submitted a

 

      25        different site plan.  We've made comments on

 

 

 

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       1        that.  And he has submitted a third site plan.

 

       2             Each of these site plans has been an

 

       3        improvement over the first.  However, we -- we

 

       4        have been working on this site plan only to

 

       5        improve the site plan.  That does not change our

 

       6        opposition to the change in the land use at this

 

       7        time.

 

       8             MR. REDMAN:  Okay.  Thank you, sir.

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Redman.

 

      10             Mr. Brown.

 

      11             MR. D. BROWN:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

 

      12             Mr. Morgan, I recall the entrance between

 

      13        the two roadways going into Baymeadows as being

 

      14        a very attractively landscaped area.  And

 

      15        looking at this site plan, it looks like these

 

      16        folks have never even heard of a landscape

 

      17        architect.

 

      18             And I did pick up on the fact that the

 

      19        Planning Department was quite concerned about

 

      20        what they were referring to as a lack of

 

      21        creativity, but if the apartment complex -- is

 

      22        Baymeadows now condos or is it still an

 

      23        apartment city?

 

      24             MR. MORGAN:  We have 1,500 rental

 

      25        apartments -- I'm sorry, 1,500 rental apartments

 

 

 

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       1        and approximately 750 owned homes, condominiums

 

       2        and single-family homes.

 

       3             MR. D. BROWN:  I respect what you folks are

 

       4        trying to do and preserve an attractive

 

       5        entrance, but without it being part of the --

 

       6        the property of the apartment complex, it would

 

       7        look like at some point probably something

 

       8        commercial will be there, but I would certainly

 

       9        have to agree that your efforts haven't brought

 

      10        about what looks like a very attractive site

 

      11        plan at this point and that I would have to

 

      12        share your frustration there.

 

      13             But looking at a master plan -- or maybe I

 

      14        should ask Mr. Crofts.  How much influence can

 

      15        you assist in helping these folks with

 

      16        creating -- if something is going to go there --

 

      17        and it would seem that without, you know, change

 

      18        of ownership, that at some point a commercial

 

      19        venture of some sort will take place, but can --

 

      20        you use the terms "not very creative" and could

 

      21        have made a better effort to -- could you be a

 

      22        little more specific about what might be done to

 

      23        help that -- that plot?

 

      24             MR. CROFTS:  Let me try to add some

 

      25        information and enlightenment to that issue that

 

 

 

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       1        you bring forward.

 

       2             I think you'll probably hear in the

 

       3        testimony this evening that's about to come that

 

       4        the City of Jacksonville and the city of --

 

       5        citizens of Baymeadows are currently in the

 

       6        process of completing a master plan for their

 

       7        community.  That process is underway, and so

 

       8        that is probably one of the reasons why we feel

 

       9        this is somewhat premature in the sense that --

 

      10        and there's a lack of connectivity between this

 

      11        proposal and that effort, and I think that's

 

      12        part of the concern, speaking for the community,

 

      13        is that they'd like that process to unfold

 

      14        before they follow up and embrace the

 

      15        utilization of this particular piece of

 

      16        property.

 

      17             So I guess my answer to your question is

 

      18        there is a ongoing planning process now that

 

      19        we're working jointly with the community, and I

 

      20        think you'll probably hear more about that in a

 

      21        few minutes.

 

      22             MR. D. BROWN:  One more question.

 

      23             This is residential now, but it's not

 

      24        really appropriate for additional residential,

 

      25        is it?

 

 

 

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       1             MR. CROFTS:  The property, as you

 

       2        indicated, is residential and it's currently

 

       3        MDR, medium density residential, which is

 

       4        multifamily, up to 20 units per acre.  So it's

 

       5        in the higher scale now of residential

 

       6        development.

 

       7             Now, its appropriateness -- along that

 

       8        corridor there's a considerable amount of

 

       9        commercial development and is this infill or is

 

      10        it the continuation of ribbon development?

 

      11             I'm a little bit hesitant to jump on that

 

      12        until we've done more of an analysis of that

 

      13        whole corridor, but we do have some concerns

 

      14        about that.

 

      15             MR. D. BROWN:  I would like to think

 

      16        that -- at some point it looks like it will be a

 

      17        commercial project of some sort, a commercial

 

      18        development, but I'd love to think that the

 

      19        community and your department might have a

 

      20        little more say-so about a design that had more

 

      21        emphasis on landscaping and softening the impact

 

      22        of a big parking lot and a restaurant.  Looks

 

      23        like it's backed right up to the entranceway to

 

      24        Baymeadows Circle East, so it looked like it --

 

      25        it needs more work, and my thought was probably

 

 

 

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       1        we should take the department's advice on this

 

       2        one, especially in respect to the community's

 

       3        concerns and -- and deny this.

 

       4             Property rights are important, and I'm sure

 

       5        we will be able to find something a little more

 

       6        appropriate and respect the rights of the owners

 

       7        of the property as well as the community if

 

       8        we -- if we work together on it.

 

       9             Thanks.

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Brown.

 

      11             Any other questions for Mr. Morgan?

 

      12             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Morgan.

 

      14             MR. MORGAN:  Thank you.

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Flagg, you're next.

 

      16             (Mr. Macfarlan approaches the podium.)

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Macfarlan, unless

 

      18        there's a question --

 

      19             MR. MACFARLAN:  I was just going to ask --

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Macfarlan, unless

 

      21        there's a question, you need to sit down.

 

      22        I'm sorry.

 

      23             Mr. Flagg.

 

      24             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

      25             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

 

 

 

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       1             Chris Flagg, 220 East Forsyth Street,

 

       2        Jacksonville, 32202.

 

       3             I'm also president of Flagg Design Studio,

 

       4        landscape architect, urban designer, community

 

       5        planner.

 

       6             I've been contracted by the City of

 

       7        Jacksonville to assist the Baymeadows community

 

       8        with their master planning and visioning

 

       9        effort.  This comes on the heels of the recent

 

      10        approval of the Southeast Vision Plan.

 

      11             I'd like to talk about the vision plan

 

      12        guidelines and the parameters.  This is a site

 

      13        that -- what I'm trying to do as a planner is to

 

      14        raise the awareness of the community of -- of

 

      15        the benefits and the strategic quality of this

 

      16        site as it relates to the redevelopment and

 

      17        refurbishment of Baymeadows and its community.

 

      18             So what I wanted to do today was just

 

      19        quickly go through some very generic scenarios

 

      20        from a conceptual basis so that you could

 

      21        understand the dynamic quality of this site.

 

      22             You see the Baymeadows East and West

 

      23        location.  The thought of -- of not only

 

      24        encircling this property with pedestrian

 

      25        opportunities but with potentially automobile,

 

 

 

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       1        vehicular traffic if -- if this property is to

 

       2        look -- to be looked at as a wholistic design,

 

       3        as a contiguous parcel as we move forward with

 

       4        some planning efforts.

 

       5             Again, looking at the -- looking at the

 

       6        aerial, the number one optimal development

 

       7        opportunity would be to enhance it as it stays.

 

       8        It's a -- it's one of the last stanchions of

 

       9        greenspace we have along the wonderful

 

      10        Baymeadows corridor -- I say that in jest -- so

 

      11        why can't we use it as an amenity, why can't the

 

      12        community at least be raised -- their awareness

 

      13        be raised as to its potential?

 

      14             So if we had to develop -- if this

 

      15        particular parcel had to develop other than what

 

      16        you see on the screens before you in a more

 

      17        passive quality, we should look at it in a

 

      18        phased plan which begins to look at parcelized

 

      19        development that could run in a contiguous

 

      20        fashion, keeping the dynamics of the site intact

 

      21        as it relates to -- to visibility from

 

      22        Baymeadows, some architectural frontage and

 

      23        edges along the streets, keeping it very

 

      24        pedestrian scale, internalizing parking so that

 

      25        we would not have to view another 200-car

 

 

 

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       1        parking lot with a 14,000-square-foot big box on

 

       2        Baymeadows Road.

 

       3             So, with that, we have looked at -- we've

 

       4        looked at some imagery, very conceptually, as to

 

       5        what a contiguous plan could be.  And this would

 

       6        be a -- again, a second choice.  We'd certainly

 

       7        like to keep it as a greenspace moving forward.

 

       8        We're currently in the process of establishing

 

       9        this master plan.

 

      10             What I wanted to do was to address the

 

      11        significance of this parcel in its strategic

 

      12        character, in its opportunity to preserve some

 

      13        greenspace.  And if development does occur, it's

 

      14        done in a very pedestrian and organized and

 

      15        contiguous fashion.

 

      16             With that, I conclude.

 

      17             Thank you.

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Flagg.

 

      19             Any questions for Mr. Flagg?

 

      20             MR. REDMAN:  Yes.

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Redman.

 

      22             MR. REDMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

 

      23             Mr. Flagg, where are you at?  Are you with

 

      24        the community at this point with the master plan

 

      25        and would it be a detriment to this master plan

 

 

 

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       1        to try and put something in here that would not

 

       2        fit with this?

 

       3             MR. FLAGG:  Well, I'll answer the first

 

       4        question.

 

       5             Where we are -- we're in the process of

 

       6        finalizing our concept.  This was a part of the

 

       7        overall process that we've had to recently

 

       8        address.  We've looked at the total community.

 

       9             From a planning perspective, we've -- I've

 

      10        met with Frank Morgan and a number of his

 

      11        constituents as a working group.  We have to

 

      12        continue our detailed working group sessions as

 

      13        we begin to hone the master plan.  We want to

 

      14        look at the streetscape, we want to look at

 

      15        detailing within the community, signage,

 

      16        linkages, preservation of greenspaces, things of

 

      17        that sort that -- that come on the heels of

 

      18        the -- of the recent Southeast Vision Plan

 

      19        adoption and try to keep those qualities

 

      20        integrated within the -- the development

 

      21        potential of the -- of the site.

 

      22             Now, if something comes along that we -- we

 

      23        see it -- and as a planner, I look at this site

 

      24        as an opportunity, not as another -- not as

 

      25        another big box, four acres of parking along the

 

 

 

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       1        Baymeadows corridor.

 

       2             Less than a block away there's a Roadhouse

 

       3        Grill that's been closed down, that's vacant.

 

       4        There's numerous vacancies along the corridor of

 

       5        Baymeadows.  Why aren't those considered for

 

       6        infill -- as infill potential instead of

 

       7        taking -- which was once the most -- one of the

 

       8        most scenic holes on the Baymeadows Golf Course,

 

       9        the 13th hole, which I used to play on a weekly

 

      10        basis -- and basically clear it, pave it, and

 

      11        add another box and parking lot?

 

      12             MR. REDMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Flagg.

 

      13             I know -- I met with the Baymeadows people

 

      14        months ago and -- when they were discussing the

 

      15        ideas of working on a master plan for their

 

      16        neighborhood and what they could do in

 

      17        conjunction with the City.

 

      18             Half of this area is in Mr. Brown's

 

      19        district.  He's got half of the golf course,

 

      20        I've got half of the golf course, what used to

 

      21        be a golf course.

 

      22             But, you know, I've been meeting with the

 

      23        people, and I don't -- and this actually is in

 

      24        Dick Brown's district.  I don't want to step on

 

      25        his toes by jumping in, but I've been working

 

 

 

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       1        with these people while the governor was waiting

 

       2        to put you in this good position, so I'm very

 

       3        familiar with some of the stuff that's been

 

       4        going on, and I -- I think it would be a

 

       5        disaster now to try and put this and mess up

 

       6        their plans for what they have going here and

 

       7        their ideas.

 

       8             Thank you.

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Redman.

 

      10             I just want to remind everybody, we're

 

      11        still in public hearing.  Okay?

 

      12             Mr. Joost, did you have a question for

 

      13        Mr. Flagg?

 

      14             MR. JOOST:  Yes, I do, Mr. Chairman.

 

      15             Kind of going along the lines of the other

 

      16        council people on the committee -- I too have

 

      17        played that par three.  Unfortunately, I hit too

 

      18        many balls in the water.

 

      19             My concern -- going back to this master

 

      20        plan.  Once you, I guess, do something to that

 

      21        par three, then all of a sudden the rest of the

 

      22        golf course -- it will never be a golf course

 

      23        again.  So does the master plan address what

 

      24        happens to the rest of it?  Because it -- you

 

      25        know, there's going to be -- once the first

 

 

 

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       1        domino goes, then they all go, so to speak.

 

       2             So I'm more curious as to not only what

 

       3        happens to this -- just this one particular

 

       4        parcel, but what happens to the rest of the

 

       5        17 holes and what used to be the driving range

 

       6        and the clubhouse was there.

 

       7             So it -- you know, to me, the master plan

 

       8        needs to address more than just that one

 

       9        particular area before we move on.  Do you have

 

      10        plans to address the rest of the property?

 

      11             MR. FLAGG:  Yes, sir, and that's a great

 

      12        question.

 

      13             And one of the biggest challenges I've had

 

      14        in my 35 years of practice is to disseminate

 

      15        information down into three minutes.

 

      16             We have two options from a master plan

 

      17        perspective.  We -- we've taken the community

 

      18        plan, the entire community, and we've looked at

 

      19        it as the potential of developing half the golf

 

      20        course for commercial infill, some multifamily

 

      21        infill, some recreation infill.  The other nine

 

      22        holes of the golf course would be designated as

 

      23        a golf course, yet the holes would be situated

 

      24        to where you can play it as an 18-hole golf

 

      25        course.

 

 

 

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       1             We have had initial conversations with a

 

       2        golf course designer/planner to be included

 

       3        within our planning concept.  So we're looking

 

       4        at the preservation of the course, but not the

 

       5        full course, not the full 18 holes as they

 

       6        currently exist or had existed, but --

 

       7             MR. JOOST:  Do you have to just -- you

 

       8        could develop that particular par three and just

 

       9        rearrange some other holes?

 

      10             MR. FLAGG:  Absolutely.

 

      11             And that's -- and I think you really drove

 

      12        home the central point here, is the fact that

 

      13        once that greenspace goes away, we no longer

 

      14        have it.

 

      15             It just so happens that this particular

 

      16        greenspace is at a very strategic point in the

 

      17        entrance to the community.  So, again, as a

 

      18        planner I say let's look at this as an aesthetic

 

      19        opportunity and not just the typical Baymeadows

 

      20        corridor opportunity and big box and parking.

 

      21             So you're absolutely right.  We're -- we're

 

      22        continuing to mold our -- our total plan,

 

      23        community plan.  We'll have a number of options.

 

      24             Our next step within the process, as

 

      25        Mr. Redman asked earlier, will be to get -- to

 

 

 

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       1        have a series of detailed stakeholder meetings

 

       2        and to talk about all of the issues that were

 

       3        pointed out in the vision plan, the linkages,

 

       4        preservation of greenspace, recreation, density,

 

       5        friendly streets, safe streets.  All of that we

 

       6        want to apply to the Baymeadows community.  It's

 

       7        one of the first ones out of the block after the

 

       8        adoption of the Southeast Vision Plan, and we

 

       9        think it could be used as a model opportunity.

 

      10             MR. JOOST:  All right.  Well, thank you for

 

      11        coming down and answering our questions.

 

      12             MR. FLAGG:  My pleasure.

 

      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Joost.

 

      14             Any other questions for Mr. Flagg?

 

      15             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Flagg.

 

      17             MR. FLAGG:  Thank you.

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  The following

 

      19        cards, if I'm reading them correctly, all just

 

      20        say "questions only."  I'm just going to read

 

      21        your names.  If that's the case, just raise your

 

      22        hand.  If I'm reading them incorrectly and you

 

      23        want to speak, just stand up and make your way

 

      24        to the front.

 

      25             Lily Gibson.

 

 

 

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       1             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  (Indicating.)

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Lerliene Connolly.

 

       3             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  (Indicating.)

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  Anne McCammon.

 

       5             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  (Indicating.)

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mary Land Hughes.

 

       7             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  (Indicating.)

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mary, are you my former

 

       9        next-door neighbor?  I can't see quite that far.

 

      10             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Yes, I am.

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Good to see you.

 

      12             Laura Laseman.

 

      13             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  (Indicating.)

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  Rick Butler.

 

      15             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  (Indicating.)

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  Joyce Doyle.

 

      17             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  (Indicating.)

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  Balraj Mehta.

 

      19             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  (Indicating.)

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  R.C. Meurer.

 

      21             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (Indicating.)

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  Wait.  I saw three hands.

 

      23             R.C. Meurer.  Will the real --

 

      24             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  (Indicating).

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Thank you, sir.

 

 

 

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       1             Ruth Meurer.

 

       2             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  (Indicating.)

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  Joanne Morgan.

 

       4             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  (Indicating.)

 

       5             THE CHAIRMAN:  Sheldon Swartz.

 

       6             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  (Indicating.)

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, sir.

 

       8             John Williams.

 

       9             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  (Indicating.)

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  Judi Williams.

 

      11             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  (Indicating.)

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  Ernest Riedl or Riedl

 

      13        (pronouncing).

 

      14             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  (Indicating.)

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  I'm sorry if I pronounced

 

      16        that incorrectly.

 

      17             Clifford Johnson.

 

      18             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  (Indicating.)

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  Luther Peek.

 

      20             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  (Indicating.)

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  Julie Berton, Betton [sic].

 

      22             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  (Indicating.)

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  Frances Riedl.

 

      24             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  (Indicating.)

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  C.S. Foltz, maybe.

 

 

 

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       1             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  (Indicating.)

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you.

 

       3             William Land.

 

       4             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  (Indicating.)

 

       5             THE CHAIRMAN:  Aaron Stansell.

 

       6             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  Is there an Aaron Stansell

 

       8        here?

 

       9             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  Kathleen Stansell.

 

      11             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  And this last one I can't

 

      13        read.  It's -- looks like Vogel something.

 

      14             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  (Inaudible.)

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Thank you.

 

      16             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  (Inaudible.)

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  What is it?

 

      18             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  (Inaudible.)

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  I'm glad you said that.

 

      20             All right.  Anyone else care to address the

 

      21        committee?

 

      22             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Mr. Macfarlan,

 

      24        because I let Mr. Morgan run over about a minute

 

      25        and a half, I'm going to give you one minute and

 

 

 

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       1        30 seconds and that is it, sir.  All right?

 

       2             (Mr. Macfarlan approaches the podium.)

 

       3             MR. MACFARLAN:  I just wanted to reiterate

 

       4        that we're voting on the land use tonight.  I

 

       5        think by the sketches we've seen tonight, it is

 

       6        shown as a commercial parcel.  A lot of the

 

       7        elements, the design elements that have been

 

       8        talked about are really governed by the PUD, and

 

       9        that was really why we had initially asked for a

 

      10        deferral, was to try to work, you know, through

 

      11        some of those site plans.  A lot of these

 

      12        slides, it's the first time I've seen these.

 

      13        I've seen some of them, but I think some of them

 

      14        were revised between our second community

 

      15        meeting when -- I'm sorry, our first community

 

      16        meeting when Chris Flagg presented some of these

 

      17        slides.  So I haven't had a lot of time to

 

      18        respond to those.

 

      19             And then the last thing, I just wanted to

 

      20        make sure that Councilman Brown was looking at

 

      21        the correct plan.  The little package I gave

 

      22        you, it's actually the third site plan that had

 

      23        a lot of landscaping on it, it had some

 

      24        landscaping buffers and things of that nature.

 

      25        I just wanted to make sure that you were looking

 

 

 

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       1        at the right plan.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Thank you,

 

       3        Mr. Macfarlan.

 

       4             Any questions for Mr. Macfarlan?

 

       5             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Macfarlan, when did you

 

       7        get the original suggestions from Mr. Flagg?

 

       8             MR. MACFARLAN:  Our first community meeting

 

       9        was on -- I think it was August 16th, where

 

      10        Mr. Flagg presented a version of this slide

 

      11        show.  I think it was still in process, so there

 

      12        were some -- you know, there's been some slides

 

      13        that have been updated, it looks like,

 

      14        graphically.  But, in general -- originally, he

 

      15        had showed this as a commercial design, and

 

      16        that's still the case in this presentation.

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, sir.

 

      18             Any other questions?

 

      19             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Thank you,

 

      21        Mr. Macfarlan.

 

      22             Seeing no one else, the public hearing is

 

      23        closed.  We're back in committee.

 

      24             We did have a request for a deferral.  The

 

      25        Chair is open to whatever option or motion the

 

 

 

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       1        committee would like to make.

 

       2             MR. REDMAN:  Make a motion --

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  On the record, please.

 

       4             MR. REDMAN:  Make a motion to deny the

 

       5        deferral of the --

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  Deny the bill?

 

       7             MR. REDMAN:  Yes.  No.  Yeah.

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion to deny by

 

       9        Mr. Redman --

 

      10             MR. D. BROWN:  Second.

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  -- second by Mr. Brown.

 

      12             Is there discussion on the motion?

 

      13             MR. BISHOP:  Yes.

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Bishop.

 

      15             MR. BISHOP:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

 

      16             I think a move to deny straight out is --

 

      17        well, basically my suggestion is that we defer

 

      18        this because, number one, there -- this is a

 

      19        commercial corridor, yet, that being said, some

 

      20        of the points brought out by Mr. Flagg and some

 

      21        of the other speakers are -- should be

 

      22        well-taken.

 

      23             This is a -- this site has a tremendous

 

      24        opportunity.  If we deny this land use, then

 

      25        they can't bring it back for a year.  I think

 

 

 

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       1        that's -- is that the rule, Mr. Reingold?

 

       2             MR. REINGOLD:  (Nods head.)

 

       3             MR. BISHOP:  Now, granted, over the course

 

       4        of a year, they might use that time in a manner

 

       5        that could work out a lot of issues, but then

 

       6        again, maybe it doesn't take that long either.

 

       7        And I don't know how much time they need to work

 

       8        all this out, but I can see a number of

 

       9        possibilities along the lines of what Mr. Flagg

 

      10        suggested, some of them that he hasn't come up

 

      11        with, some variations on a theme to do all sorts

 

      12        of things.

 

      13             I lived in this area back in the early

 

      14        '80s when Baymeadows was in its heyday, and it

 

      15        was a really neat place to be.  And I think it

 

      16        could be again, and this is a -- this is a prime

 

      17        site, and so I guess if there's an opportunity

 

      18        to kind of put this whole thing in abeyance

 

      19        while the master plan is worked out and -- and

 

      20        some of these issues get resolved -- and I think

 

      21        there's an opportunity to do something really

 

      22        neat here that can be a combination of

 

      23        commercial and residential and a wide variety of

 

      24        things.

 

      25             I would not say this is not suited to

 

 

 

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       1        residential.  There's plenty of apartments

 

       2        around here that do work.  I think this site is

 

       3        large enough that a true mixed-use opportunity

 

       4        is possible at this site, and I think that if

 

       5        there's a way to postpone this thing to work out

 

       6        a lot of these issues, I think we'd all be --

 

       7        they would certainly be better off for it, the

 

       8        city would be better off for it because we could

 

       9        have a great example here of how to make these

 

      10        things work in a lot of different places.

 

      11             Thank you.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Bishop.

 

      13             Mr. Joost.

 

      14             MR. JOOST:  Thank you.

 

      15             First, through the Chair to legal, my

 

      16        mother-in-law lives back in those apartments

 

      17        back there.  Is that a conflict?

 

      18             MR. REINGOLD:  That is an excellent

 

      19        question.

 

      20             Essentially, unfortunately, I'm going to

 

      21        throw back a question to you.  The issue is

 

      22        whether it would -- this request would enure to

 

      23        your mother-in-law's gain or mother-in-law's

 

      24        loss.  If you don't think it does either, then

 

      25        you are certainly okay to vote.  And, in fact,

 

 

 

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       1        you would be required to vote.  If you think it

 

       2        would enure to her --

 

       3             MR. JOOST:  I would have no idea.  I don't

 

       4        think it -- one way or the other.

 

       5             MR. REINGOLD:  If you don't think it

 

       6        affects her -- either benefits her or hurts her,

 

       7        then you would be required to vote.

 

       8             MR. JOOST:  Okay.  Second question, I

 

       9        guess, to the Planning Department.  Is a

 

      10        deferral at this point almost like a denial?

 

      11        Because you only get -- I mean, it's got to go

 

      12        to Tallahassee.  And if we defer at this point,

 

      13        what effect does that have?  I mean, don't

 

      14        these -- when does this have to be submitted, I

 

      15        guess?

 

      16             MR. KELLY:  This is a small scale land use

 

      17        amendment, so Tallahassee would actually comment

 

      18        on it, but the -- the issue goes to the

 

      19        potential, I guess, for Amendment 4 to be

 

      20        passed.  So this potentially would not be heard

 

      21        as another small scale until January 4th, I

 

      22        believe, LUZ, is the next wave of small scale

 

      23        land use amendments that would go through.

 

      24             It could be heard before that; however, it

 

      25        would not be finalized through the State and

 

 

 

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       1        through the City in time to -- to be not subject

 

       2        to the Amendment 4 and put on the ballot.

 

       3        That's the predicament.

 

       4             Additionally, the study that the City is

 

       5        working on in conjunction with the Baymeadows

 

       6        community is expected to be finalized probably

 

       7        in June or July of next year.  So in terms of

 

       8        timing, a deferral would at least, you know,

 

       9        be, you know, four to five months off here,

 

      10        so . . .

 

      11             MR. JOOST:  So if we deferred it at this

 

      12        point, it would give them -- that's at least

 

      13        four to five months versus a year if we deny

 

      14        it?

 

      15             MR. KELLY:  Not necessarily.

 

      16             Again, a deferral of the small scale -- the

 

      17        next wave in the series is not going to go until

 

      18        January 4th.  As I said, it could be heard

 

      19        before that; however, it is still ultimately

 

      20        subject to Amendment 4 and would still probably

 

      21        follow that -- that chain.

 

      22             MR. JOOST:  I guess I -- I agree with

 

      23        Councilman Brown in the fact that -- how it lies

 

      24        now, I would not vote for it.  On the other

 

      25        hand, I kind of agree with Councilman Bishop

 

 

 

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       1        that -- I mean, it -- at some point it's

 

       2        probably going to be a commercial site, so if we

 

       3        can work it out and come back to something with

 

       4        zoning that we can either vote up or down, I --

 

       5        I don't know.  I feel -- and I'd like to hear

 

       6        from the rest of the council members -- maybe a

 

       7        deferral is more appropriate.

 

       8             Don, do you have any -- Mr. Redman, do you

 

       9        have any input?  Do you --

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  We're going to go through

 

      11        the queue.  I've got several folks in the

 

      12        queue.  So if you will -- I've got Mr. Brown,

 

      13        Mr. Redman, Mr. Holt.  If you'll be mindful of

 

      14        Mr. Joost's question and try to incorporate that

 

      15        in your comments as well, to answer that.

 

      16             Mr. Brown.

 

      17             MR. D. BROWN:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

 

      18             I wouldn't feel too bad about a deferral if

 

      19        I thought the community and the developer could

 

      20        work together on that.  And out of fairness,

 

      21        with Amendment 4 pending, it would seem that if

 

      22        there's a chance of doing something that doesn't

 

      23        trample on the pride of the community by just

 

      24        plowing over and doing a parking lot and a

 

      25        restaurant at the main entrance, but -- but I

 

 

 

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       1        think if that gives us an opportunity to maybe

 

       2        have a report that says we've got an amendment

 

       3        that the community is more comfortable with and

 

       4        we hear from the neighborhood as well because I

 

       5        think we need to support the effort they're

 

       6        doing with their master plan.

 

       7             So I'm -- in fairness, Mr. Bishop may be --

 

       8        he may be correct that it would -- wouldn't hurt

 

       9        if we defer it and deferred, but -- that still

 

      10        gives us some control of the site, up until the

 

      11        deadline.  And, if so, I would withdraw my

 

      12        second for denial at this point if we want to

 

      13        take a look at -- Mr. Redman would be willing

 

      14        to -- well, without a second, I guess he doesn't

 

      15        have a motion, but -- whatever the committee

 

      16        wants to look at.  I think there's some merit to

 

      17        a deferral and giving the opportunity for both

 

      18        sides to work on this.

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Thank you, Mr. Brown.

 

      20             Mr. Reingold, Mr. Brown is withdrawing his

 

      21        second.  Procedurally speaking, where does that

 

      22        put us?

 

      23             MR. REINGOLD:  I'll be honest, there are

 

      24        probably people much better than I at Robert's

 

      25        Rules of Order.  I'm just -- it's the first time

 

 

 

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       1        I've ever heard the withdrawal of a second --

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Well, they're not here, so

 

       3        you're -- you're on the hot seat.

 

       4             MR. REINGOLD:  I mean, I think at this

 

       5        point, if Councilman Redman wanted to withdraw

 

       6        his motion, I think we'd be in a good posture

 

       7        to --

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  Does Mr. Brown's withdrawal

 

       9        of a second negate --

 

      10             MR. REINGOLD:  I would be a little bit more

 

      11        comfortable with the withdrawal of the motion.

 

      12        And if we don't have that, then certainly we

 

      13        could just -- the committee could vote down the

 

      14        denial and then move forward with some other

 

      15        request such as a deferral.

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Roberts.

 

      17        I mean, Mr. Reingold.

 

      18             Mr. Redman happens to be the next on the

 

      19        queue.

 

      20             Mr. Redman.

 

      21             MR. REDMAN:  Thank you, sir.

 

      22             In talking with the community, they -- they

 

      23        want -- they don't want to defer this.  They are

 

      24        pretty strong about it.  They want it, you know,

 

      25        to be voted up or down.

 

 

 

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       1             They have fears that -- you know, Horton

 

       2        tried to -- the Horton company tried to take

 

       3        advantage of them before, and they have a fear

 

       4        that if a land use is changed that he -- he

 

       5        could come in and do whatever he wanted to with

 

       6        it.  So they liked the idea of the master plan

 

       7        and working with the City and Mr. Flagg.

 

       8             And, you know, I saw the -- I think about

 

       9        an hour presentation that Mr. Flagg has and --

 

      10        and the ideas for the community is great and,

 

      11        you know, to try and disrupt that plan at this

 

      12        point -- I mean, they -- they were surprised by

 

      13        this coming in and disrupting their plans at an

 

      14        inopportune time because they were -- had this

 

      15        ongoing and been working on it for months and

 

      16        now they've had to stop a lot of what they're

 

      17        doing just to -- to combat this.  So, you know,

 

      18        I think we need to -- and I suggest that we vote

 

      19        it down and go on from there.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Thank you,

 

      21        Mr. Redman.

 

      22             Mr. Reingold or Mr. Crofts or Mr. Kelly,

 

      23        what about a withdrawal, what -- does that do

 

      24        anything for anybody?  Does the withdrawal have

 

      25        to be -- does the applicant have to concur with

 

 

 

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       1        a withdrawal?

 

       2             MR. CROFTS:  I think so.  I would think so.

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  And what opportunities, if

 

       4        any, does that --

 

       5             MR. CROFTS:  I think we're going to -- I'm

 

       6        sorry to interrupt.  I think we're going to be

 

       7        back into kind of the same schedule again.  It

 

       8        would start fresh -- well, actually it would be

 

       9        an extended schedule.  I don't have that in

 

      10        front of me.  It may cut some time off.

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  So you're telling me that --

 

      12        is Amendment 4 effective immediately on approval

 

      13        by the electorate if that's -- if that happens?

 

      14             MR. CROFTS:  I can't answer that question.

 

      15        I don't know.

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  So the next cycle

 

      17        is -- you said January 4th?

 

      18             MR. CROFTS:  Actually, what we were talking

 

      19        about, if -- yes, that we would be actually

 

      20        introducing a cycle and we could, I think,

 

      21        attach it to our next semiannual schedule, which

 

      22        would be starting in December and would come

 

      23        before LU- -- actually, late November, December,

 

      24        and come before LUZ, the public hearings in --

 

      25        January 4th.

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  We don't know what that

 

       2        would be subjected to, the requirements of

 

       3        Amendment 4, or --

 

       4             MR. CROFTS:  I'm pretty sure that would

 

       5        start after January 1, if not -- not when it

 

       6        actually is approved, so, yes, I think it would

 

       7        be.

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Reingold, did you want

 

       9        to add anything on the withdrawal?

 

      10             MR. REINGOLD:  I guess my only issue with

 

      11        the withdrawal is, if the applicant wasn't

 

      12        supportive of the withdrawal, you essentially

 

      13        would have had a position where the applicant

 

      14        has stepped forward, applied for something, and

 

      15        wants a ruling on it, and the council has sort

 

      16        of said, we're not going to rule on it, and then

 

      17        you just get into sort of due process issues.  I

 

      18        really don't know what the outcome of that issue

 

      19        is --

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  My question was more about

 

      21        what did that leave on the table for the

 

      22        neighborhood and the applicant.  And I was

 

      23        hoping that if those answers came forward, then

 

      24        maybe the applicant might be in a better

 

      25        position to say whether he would be supportive

 

 

 

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       1        of a withdrawal.

 

       2             MR. REINGOLD:  Oh, I mean, if the council

 

       3        withdraws it now, essentially they could reapply

 

       4        at any time.  And, you know, that could be a

 

       5        month from now when there -- there is, you know,

 

       6        consensus in the community and the applicant.

 

       7        It could be two months from now or the like.

 

       8        Certainly the one-year bar would not be a

 

       9        barrier.

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  And a denial would prohibit

 

      11        reapplication for a year?

 

      12             MR. REINGOLD:  That is correct.

 

      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  And withdrawal, that -- if

 

      14        they reapplied, that would require payment of

 

      15        fees, et cetera, all over again?

 

      16             MR. REINGOLD:  If the application was from

 

      17        the applicant, not sponsored by a council

 

      18        member, then it would -- all the fees would

 

      19        still apply.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  I was thinking

 

      21        that might be helpful information, but it may

 

      22        not be, so -- Mr. Holt, you were next on the

 

      23        queue.  Did you want to weigh in?

 

      24             MR. HOLT:  (Inaudible.)

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Mr. Bishop.

 

 

 

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       1             MR. BISHOP:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

 

       2             Just wanted to piggyback a little bit on

 

       3        what Mr. Reingold said.

 

       4             It strikes me if deferral is not an option,

 

       5        withdrawal may be a very good option for the

 

       6        applicant because if -- if I were the applicant,

 

       7        I wouldn't be getting a very warm and fuzzy

 

       8        about this thing right now.  And so weighing the

 

       9        option of whether to work something out with the

 

      10        community and coming back at a time of mutual

 

      11        choosing as opposed to a year, to me, doesn't

 

      12        seem to be too much of a question there.  But,

 

      13        again, that's the applicant's choice, I suppose,

 

      14        at this point.

 

      15             So if the motion is made by a

 

      16        councilperson -- I guess this is a question

 

      17        through the Chair to Mr. Reingold -- would that

 

      18        mean that whatever fees are paid to date would

 

      19        not have to be repaid?

 

      20             Presumably application fees of some sort

 

      21        have been paid already.  If the council -- if a

 

      22        council member moves withdrawal and the

 

      23        applicant agrees to it and the committee votes

 

      24        for that, does that mean, then, the applicant

 

      25        would not have to repay those application fees

 

 

 

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       1        again?

 

       2             MR. REINGOLD:  Well, I guess the one option

 

       3        that the council could take is the council could

 

       4        withdraw and return the fees.  That is something

 

       5        within the legislative purview of this body.

 

       6             If the council denied -- withdrew it

 

       7        without the return of fees, the applicant, if

 

       8        and when they came forward, would have to apply

 

       9        for fees.  The Planning Department wouldn't have

 

      10        any option of not collecting money.  I mean,

 

      11        they are directed to do so under the code.

 

      12             MR. BISHOP:  Okay.  So from a simplicity

 

      13        standpoint, I don't know, to me, deferral makes

 

      14        the most sense because it can sit there as long

 

      15        as it takes to work it out.  The option is not

 

      16        looking pretty.

 

      17             Thanks.

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Bishop.

 

      19             Any other discussion?

 

      20             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  We have a motion on the

 

      22        floor to deny, and I guess we need to take that

 

      23        up.  And if you support the motion, you'll vote

 

      24        the green button.  If you are opposed to that

 

      25        motion, you'll vote the red button.  If that

 

 

 

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       1        motion fails, we are back to where we are now

 

       2        or, you know, back to the beginning and we can

 

       3        entertain other motions.

 

       4             Any discussion on the motion on the floor?

 

       5             MR. D. BROWN:  Is there a second?

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  Well --

 

       7             MR. JOOST:  (Inaudible.)

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Again, motion to

 

       9        deny.  If you support the motion, you'll vote

 

      10        the green button; opposed to the motion, you

 

      11        vote the red button.

 

      12             Open the ballot.

 

      13             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      14             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

      15             MR. HOLT:  (Votes nay.)

 

      16             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

      17             MR. D. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      18             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      19             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      20             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      21             MS. LAHMEUR:  Five yea, one nay.

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you have

 

      23        denied item 20, 2010-586.

 

      24             Item 21 was not heard by the Planning

 

      25        Commission.  We have a public hearing scheduled

 

 

 

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       1        this evening.

 

       2             The public hearing is open.  I have the

 

       3        same speaker cards.  Does anybody care to

 

       4        address the committee?

 

       5             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing no one,

 

       7        the public hearing is continued until September

 

       8        21st and there's no other action on that bill.

 

       9             All right.  The folks on those items, if

 

      10        you-all are departing now, I would ask that you

 

      11        do so quietly so that we can continue with our

 

      12        meeting.

 

      13             And I think that's going to leave just a

 

      14        few folks left in the audience, so I'm going to

 

      15        just start calling out folks and we'll see what

 

      16        you have on the agenda and we're just going to

 

      17        bounce around to see if we can get you all home.

 

      18             Ms. -- I'm sorry, I can't remember your

 

      19        name.

 

      20             MS. JOHNSTON:  Johnston.

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  Ms. Johnston, I'm sorry.

 

      22             Ms. Johnston.

 

      23             MS. JOHNSTON:  I'm up next.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  Oh, you're up next.  Wow.

 

      25        Isn't that a coincidence?

 

 

 

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       1             Item 22.  All right.  Mr. Crofts, item 22,

 

       2        2010-588.

 

       3             MR. CROFTS:  Yes, sir.

 

       4             Mr. Chairman, members of the committee,

 

       5        this proposed ordinance is a proposed land use

 

       6        amendment to the future land use map series of

 

       7        the 2030 Comprehensive Plan seeking to modify

 

       8        .7-hundredths of an acre -- seven-tenths of an

 

       9        acre located at 10967 New Kings Road.  This

 

      10        property is located in the North Planning

 

      11        District.  It is in Council District 8.  It is a

 

      12        request to change the land use from LDR, low

 

      13        density residential, to CGC, community/general

 

      14        commercial.

 

      15             The Planning Department has conducted a

 

      16        review of this item and found that it is

 

      17        compatible with the development trends in this

 

      18        area; it's consistent with several applicable

 

      19        plans, including the 2010 Comprehensive Plan.

 

      20        The trend in this particular area is for the

 

      21        adoption of more intensive land uses to CGC as

 

      22        well as LI.  And, for these reasons, the

 

      23        Planning Department recommends approval.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Crofts.

 

      25             We have a public hearing scheduled on this

 

 

 

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       1        this evening.

 

       2             The public hearing is open.  I have one

 

       3        speaker, Paige Johnston.

 

       4             Ms. Johnston.

 

       5             MS. JOHNSTON:  Yes.  I'm Paige Johnston,

 

       6        1301 Riverplace Boulevard, representing the

 

       7        owner and applicant of this application.

 

       8             And in the interest of time, since we --

 

       9        you've had a long agenda, I would go ahead and

 

      10        rely on the Planning Department's staff report

 

      11        and my prior comments at the Planning

 

      12        Commission.

 

      13             We have support from the Planning

 

      14        Commission.  We presented before the Waterways

 

      15        Commission, and we also presented the

 

      16        application to the governmental affairs

 

      17        division -- or not division, I'm sorry --

 

      18        subcommittee of the North CPAC, and all have

 

      19        recommended approval, so we would request your

 

      20        support.

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Ms. Johnston.

 

      22             Any questions from the committee?

 

      23             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Anyone else care

 

      25        to address the committee?  I only have one

 

 

 

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       1        speaker's card.

 

       2             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing no one, the public

 

       4        hearing is closed.

 

       5             MR. HOLT:  Move the bill.

 

       6             MR. JOOST:  Second.

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion by Mr. Holt, second

 

       8        by Mr. Joost.

 

       9             Discussion?

 

      10             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  If not, open the ballot,

 

      12        vote.

 

      13             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      14             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

      15             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      16             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

      17             MR. D. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      18             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      19             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      20             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      21             MS. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nay.

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

      23        approved item 22, 2010-588.

 

      24             Item 23, 2010-589.

 

      25             Mr. Kelly, your brief report, please.

 

 

 

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       1             MR. KELLY:  Thank you.

 

       2             To the Chair and to committee members,

 

       3        ordinance 2010-589 seeks to rezone approximately

 

       4        .7 acres of land from RR to CCG-1 zoning.

 

       5             For all the reasons cited in the proposed

 

       6        land use amendment, the department is supporting

 

       7        this request to rezoning [sic] and finds it

 

       8        consistent with the North Jacksonville Vision

 

       9        and Master Plan, which is to promote commercial

 

      10        infilling along this section of New Kings Road.

 

      11             Adjacent property, both north and west of

 

      12        the subject property, is currently zoned CCG-2

 

      13        and there is a PUD, additionally, to the south

 

      14        which supports office and warehouse

 

      15        development.  Therefore, we find it to be

 

      16        consistent with the comprehensive plan and

 

      17        compatible with the surrounding area.

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Kelly.

 

      19             This is a quasi-judicial matter.  Does

 

      20        anybody have any ex-parte communication to

 

      21        disclose?

 

      22             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing none, we

 

      24        have a public hearing scheduled for this

 

      25        evening.

 

 

 

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       1             The public hearing is open.  I have one

 

       2        speaker's card, Paige Johnston.

 

       3             Ms. Johnston.

 

       4             MS. JOHNSTON:  Paige Johnston, 1301

 

       5        Riverplace Boulevard, on behalf of the

 

       6        applicant/owner.

 

       7             I'll just stand by for questions.

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Ms. Johnston.

 

       9             Any questions from the committee?

 

      10             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing none,

 

      12        anyone else care to address the committee?

 

      13             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  The public hearing is

 

      15        closed.

 

      16             MR. HOLT:  Move the bill.

 

      17             MR. BISHOP:  Second.

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion by Mr. Holt; second,

 

      19        I believe, by Mr. Bishop.

 

      20             Any discussion?

 

      21             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  If not, open the ballot,

 

      23        vote.

 

      24             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      25             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

 

 

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       1             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

       2             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

       3             MR. D. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       4             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

       5             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       6             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

       7             MS. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nay.

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you have

 

       9        approved item 23, 2010-589.

 

      10             Anybody here for item 24, raise your hand.

 

      11             MR. BOSWELL:  (Indicating.)

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Item 24, 2010-590.

 

      13             Mr. Crofts.

 

      14             MR. CROFTS:  Item 24, again ordinance

 

      15        2010-590, is a proposed land use amendment to

 

      16        the future land use map series of the 2030

 

      17        Comprehensive Plan seeking to modify

 

      18        2.23 acres of land located at 460 and 494

 

      19        Trout River Boulevard.  The property is located

 

      20        in the Northwest Planning District and Council

 

      21        District 7, and the request is specifically to

 

      22        change the land uses on the property from RPI

 

      23        and LDR to CGC, commercial/general commercial.

 

      24             The Planning and Development Department has

 

      25        conducted a review of this property in terms of

 

 

 

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       1        its compatibility with surrounding land uses and

 

       2        its consistency with applicable plans and

 

       3        impacts as it relates to infrastructure and the

 

       4        environment and recommends approval in

 

       5        cognisance of -- or with an accompanying PUD

 

       6        with a strong commitment to fencing and buffers

 

       7        to mitigate any off-site impacts on the

 

       8        surrounding residential area, and staff

 

       9        recommends approval.

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Crofts.

 

      11             Mr. Reingold, I have a note on my agenda

 

      12        that you needed some information.  You were

 

      13        still waiting for some information on that.

 

      14        Have you received it for this item?

 

      15             MR. REINGOLD:  I did receive, to the Chair,

 

      16        a letter from an attorney concerning the

 

      17        ownership issue.  I don't think it fully cleared

 

      18        up the issue, but I think it was quite an

 

      19        attempt, and I'd be happy to work with that

 

      20        attorney and resolve that issue by the end of

 

      21        the week if that's what the committee --

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  If it's not resolved by

 

      23        Tuesday, you let me know and we'll defer -- I'll

 

      24        ask for the bill to be rereferred back to

 

      25        committee.

 

 

 

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       1             MR. REINGOLD:  Absolutely.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  We have a public hearing

 

       3        scheduled for this bill tonight.  The public

 

       4        hearing is open.  I have one speaker's card,

 

       5        Dan Boswell.

 

       6             (Mr. Boswell approaches the podium.)

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Boswell.

 

       8             MR. BOSWELL:  Yes.  Dan Boswell, 4014 Ranie

 

       9        Road, Jacksonville, Florida.

 

      10             And I'm just referring to the Planning

 

      11        Department's recommended approval on this.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, sir.

 

      13             Any questions for Mr. Boswell?

 

      14             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing none,

 

      16        anyone else care to address the committee?

 

      17             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  The public hearing is

 

      19        closed.

 

      20             Mr. Boswell, please satisfy Mr. Reingold's

 

      21        request by Tuesday.

 

      22             MR. BOSWELL:  Oh, yes.

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you.

 

      24             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill.

 

      25             MR. HOLT:  Second.

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion by Mr. Joost, second

 

       2        by Mr. Holt.

 

       3             Any discussion?

 

       4             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       5             THE CHAIRMAN:  If not, open the ballot,

 

       6        vote.

 

       7             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

       8             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

       9             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      10             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

      11             MR. D. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      12             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      13             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      14             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      15             MS. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nay.

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  By our action, you have

 

      17        approved item 24, 2010-590.

 

      18             Item 25, companion rezoning, 2010-591.

 

      19             Mr. Kelly.

 

      20             MR. KELLY:  Thank you.

 

      21             To the Chair and committee members,

 

      22        ordinance 2010-591 is the companion rezoning to

 

      23        PUD for the Bill Dye Marina.  The subject

 

      24        property is proposed to be used for boat

 

      25        storage, marina uses, and trailer storage.

 

 

 

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       1             Again, the department supports this

 

       2        request, finds it consistent with the character

 

       3        of the area.  There are eight conditions that

 

       4        were approved at Planning Commission.  I could

 

       5        read them all into the record.  We do have a

 

       6        revised version for condition 7, which restates,

 

       7        in essence, the condition in a more logical

 

       8        order, so -- it's up to the committee.  If you'd

 

       9        like me to read them into the record, I'd be

 

      10        glad to do so.

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  Do we need to get the

 

      12        conditions accepted by the applicant?

 

      13             MR. REINGOLD:  Yes.

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  So we need to read them into

 

      15        the record so we can have them confirm their

 

      16        acceptance of the same.

 

      17             MR. KELLY:  Will do.

 

      18             Condition 1, "The development shall be

 

      19        subject to the original legal description dated

 

      20        June 28th."

 

      21             Condition 2, "The development shall be

 

      22        subject to the original written description

 

      23        dated June 28th."

 

      24             Condition 3, "The development shall be

 

      25        subject to the original site plan dated June

 

 

 

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       1        28th."

 

       2             Condition 4, "Required transportation

 

       3        improvements shall be made in accordance with

 

       4        the Development Services Division memorandum

 

       5        dated July 26th, 2010, attached or otherwise

 

       6        approved by the Planning and Development

 

       7        Department."

 

       8             Condition 5, "All sag lenses, drop lenses,

 

       9        and convex lenses shall be prohibited.

 

      10        Illumination levels at all property lines shall

 

      11        not exceed a half footcandle and shall not

 

      12        exceed one footcandle when abutting other

 

      13        nonresidential properties.

 

      14             "All lighting lamp sources within the

 

      15        parking lot shall be metal halide or compact

 

      16        fluorescent.  The maximum light pole height

 

      17        shall not exceed 20 feet.

 

      18             "An exterior lighting design plan,

 

      19        including photometric plan, pole and fixture

 

      20        schedules, shall be submitted at the time of

 

      21        verification of substantial compliance for

 

      22        review and approval by the Planning and

 

      23        Development Department."

 

      24             Condition 7 has been modified to read, "A

 

      25        20-foot-wide landscape buffer meeting the buffer

 

 

 

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       1        material requirements of section 656.1216 of the

 

       2        zoning code shall be provided and maintained

 

       3        along the south and west property lines.

 

       4             "A 10-foot-wide landscape buffer meeting

 

       5        the buffer material requirements of section

 

       6        656.1216 of the zoning code shall be provided

 

       7        and maintained along the north and east property

 

       8        lines.

 

       9             "All landscaping and buffers shall be

 

      10        installed prior to issuance of any certificate

 

      11        of use or commencement of the use."

 

      12             Condition 8, "On-site signage shall be

 

      13        limited to one externally-illuminated monument

 

      14        sign not to exceed 24 square feet in area and

 

      15        8 feet in height.  Directional signs shall not

 

      16        exceed 4 square feet in area each."

 

      17             Those were the conditions.

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Kelly.

 

      19             I was going to ask you to repeat those, but

 

      20        I won't do that.

 

      21             We have a public -- I'm sorry --

 

      22        quasi-judicial matter.  Does anybody have any

 

      23        ex-parte communication to disclose?

 

      24             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing none, we

 

 

 

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       1        have a public hearing scheduled.

 

       2             The public hearing is open.  We have one

 

       3        speaker, Dan Boswell.

 

       4             Mr. Boswell, did you hear the conditions

 

       5        read into the record?

 

       6             MR. BOSWELL:  Can I hear those again?

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  Sure.

 

       8             MR. BOSWELL:  No.

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  After we adjourn.

 

      10             MR. BOSWELL:  I'm fine.

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  You accept all those?

 

      12             MR. BOSWELL:  Yes, sir, I do.

 

      13             Thank you.

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  You're welcome to address

 

      15        the committee.  You have three minutes.

 

      16             MR. BOSWELL:  I'm going to refer, again, to

 

      17        the Planning Department.  I'm fine with --

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  Questions only or --

 

      19             MR. BOSWELL:  -- with all of --

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  Any questions from the

 

      21        committee?

 

      22             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      23             MR. BOSWELL:  -- the conditions.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing none,

 

      25        anyone else care to address the committee?

 

 

 

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       1             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing nobody, the public

 

       3        hearing is closed.

 

       4             MR. JOOST:  Move the amendment.

 

       5             MR. BISHOP:  Second.

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion on the amendment by

 

       7        Mr. Joost, second by Mr. Bishop.

 

       8             Any discussion?

 

       9             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  All those in favor say yes.

 

      11             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Yes.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  Opposed say no.

 

      13             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  By our action, you have

 

      15        approved the amendment.

 

      16             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill as amended.

 

      17             MR. BISHOP:  Second.

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion on the bill as

 

      19        amended by Mr. Joost, second by Mr. Bishop.

 

      20             Discussion?

 

      21             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  If not, open the ballot,

 

      23        vote.

 

      24             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      25             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

 

 

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       1             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

       2             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

       3             MR. D. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       4             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

       5             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       6             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

       7             MS. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nay.

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you have

 

       9        approved item 25, 2010-591.

 

      10             Turning to page 9, we've already taken up

 

      11        item 26.

 

      12             Is anybody here for item 27?

 

      13             I'm sorry.  Mr. Crofts.

 

      14             MR. CROFTS:  Item 27, ordinance 2010-593,

 

      15        is a propose land use amendment, again, to the

 

      16        future land use map series of the 2030

 

      17        Comprehensive Plan seeking to modify .39 acres

 

      18        originally located at the southwest corner of

 

      19        Tunis and Dakar Streets.  This property is

 

      20        located in the Southwest Planning District and

 

      21        it is in Council District 9, and the request is

 

      22        from low density residential to CGC

 

      23        community/general/commercial.

 

      24             The Planning Department staff has conducted

 

      25        a review of this item in terms of its

 

 

 

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       1        compatibility, in terms of its impacts, in terms

 

       2        of its consistency with applicable plans and

 

       3        recommends approval as amended, with the

 

       4        amendment being a deletion of the easterly

 

       5        60 feet of the property to eliminate staff

 

       6        objections to the proposal that were based and

 

       7        oriented upon the encroachment of this

 

       8        particular amendment into the adjacent

 

       9        neighborhood to the rear.

 

      10             The new amendment would constitute a land

 

      11        use amendment that would reduce the acreage

 

      12        from .39 acres to .22 acres.  And with that

 

      13        amendment, staff recommends approval.

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Crofts.

 

      15             We have a public hearing scheduled on this

 

      16        bill this evening.  I did receive a request to

 

      17        defer the companion rezoning, which is the next

 

      18        item, 28, from the district councilmember, but

 

      19        no correspondence with regard to the land use.

 

      20             So we have a public hearing scheduled.  The

 

      21        public hearing is open.  I have one speaker's

 

      22        card, and guess who it is?  Dan Boswell.

 

      23             Mr. Boswell.

 

      24             MR. BOSWELL:  Dan Boswell, 4014 Ranie Road,

 

      25        Jacksonville, Florida, representing the owners

 

 

 

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       1        of the property.

 

       2             This location is just there for use by the

 

       3        Baker Glass Company  and that company located

 

       4        forward of that land use change, and -- and just

 

       5        for clients -- customers of that company and

 

       6        employees only.  And I'm okay with that.  That's

 

       7        fine.

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Thank you,

 

       9        Mr. Boswell.

 

      10             Any questions from the committee?

 

      11             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing none,

 

      13        anyone else care to address the committee?

 

      14             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing no one, the public

 

      16        hearing is closed.

 

      17             MR. JOOST:  Move the amendment.

 

      18             MR. REDMAN:  Second.

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion on the amendment by

 

      20        Mr. Joost, second by Mr. Redman.

 

      21             Discussion on the amendment?

 

      22             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  I'm sorry.  Mr. Reingold.

 

      24             MR. REINGOLD:  Just to the committee as a

 

      25        whole, essentially, as Mr. Crofts explained, the

 

 

 

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       1        amendment drops the acreage in the bill from

 

       2        .39 acres to .22 acres.  Additionally, it

 

       3        changes out the exhibits attached to the bill to

 

       4        reflect that change.

 

       5             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Reingold.

 

       6             Mr. Boswell, you accept those changes?

 

       7             MR. BOSWELL:  Absolutely.

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Thank you.

 

       9             MR. BOSWELL:  Yes, I do.

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Motion and a

 

      11        second on the amendment.

 

      12             Any discussion?

 

      13             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  All those in favor say yes.

 

      15             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Yes.

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  Opposed say no.

 

      17             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  By our action, you've

 

      19        approved the amendment.

 

      20             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill as amended.

 

      21             MR. REDMAN:  Second.

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion on the bill as

 

      23        amended by Mr. Joost, second by Mr. Redman.

 

      24             Discussion?

 

      25             MR. JOOST:  Just real quick.

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Joost.

 

       2             MR. JOOST:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

 

       3             Through the Planning Department, with the

 

       4        bill as amended, would that change your denial?

 

       5             MR. CROFTS:  Through the Chair, yes, sir.

 

       6             As indicated, with the amendment, we're --

 

       7        staff is recommending approval.  We were

 

       8        concerned about the encroachment into the

 

       9        neighborhood, and this takes out a large portion

 

      10        of that property that would be in the rear, it

 

      11        would be facing residential on three sides.

 

      12             MR. JOOST:  Thank you.

 

      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Joost.

 

      14             Any other comments?

 

      15             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, sir.  Appreciate

 

      17        you doing that.

 

      18             All right.  If not, open the ballot, vote.

 

      19             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      20             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

      21             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      22             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

      23             MR. D. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      24             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      25             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

 

 

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       1             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

       2             MS. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nay.

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  By our action, you've

 

       4        approved item 27, 2010-593.

 

       5             Item 28 was not taken up by the -- I'm

 

       6        sorry --

 

       7             MR. BOSWELL:  Thank you.

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  -- it was taken up by the

 

       9        Planning Commission, but we have a request from

 

      10        Councilman Jones to defer this tonight.  We're

 

      11        not going to -- we're going to honor that

 

      12        request and not take any action.

 

      13             I do have a public hearing.  The public

 

      14        hearing is open.  One speaker's card,

 

      15        Mr. Boswell.

 

      16             MR. BOSWELL:  Yes.  Dan Boswell, 4014 Ranie

 

      17        Road, Jacksonville, Florida.

 

      18             I represent the owners on the Cedar Point

 

      19        Road development.

 

      20             MR. CROFTS:  We're on the rezoning.

 

      21             MR. BOSWELL:  I'm sorry.

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  We're on item 28, the

 

      23        companion rezoning to the land use we just

 

      24        approved.

 

      25             MR. BOSWELL:  Okay.  Yes, I'm -- defer to

 

 

 

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       1        the Planning Department on that.  We're -- we're

 

       2        moving ahead with that?  We're -- where are we

 

       3        at on that?  I'm lost.

 

       4             MR. REINGOLD:  Mr. Boswell, the council

 

       5        member of the district requested that it be

 

       6        deferred.  There's a public hearing tonight;

 

       7        therefore, the council -- chair of the committee

 

       8        opened the public hearing up and, obviously, was

 

       9        just looking to see if you had any additional

 

      10        comments or would you like to hold them until

 

      11        the next meeting?

 

      12             MR. BOSWELL:  I'll hold them till the next

 

      13        round.

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Boswell.

 

      15             Anyone else care to address the committee?

 

      16             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing no one, the public

 

      18        hearing is continued until September 21st, and

 

      19        that bill is deferred.

 

      20             Anybody here on item 29?

 

      21             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  Item 30?  Just raise your

 

      23        hand.

 

      24             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  Item 31?

 

 

 

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       1             MR. DUGGAN:  (Indicating.)

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Come on down.

 

       3             We'll go back and pick up those other

 

       4        items.  Let's take care of the folks in the

 

       5        audience so they can go home and watch the

 

       6        news.

 

       7             MR. CROFTS:  Mr. Chairman, is it my turn?

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  Yes, Mr. Crofts, it is your

 

       9        turn.

 

      10             MR. CROFTS:  Thank you.

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  Item 31, 2010-617.

 

      12             MR. CROFTS:  This legislation is a proposed

 

      13        semiannual land use amendment to the future land

 

      14        use map series of the 2030 Comprehensive Plan,

 

      15        and it proposes to modify approximately 67 acres

 

      16        of land located along the west side of

 

      17        Town Center Parkway, located north of J. Turner

 

      18        Butler Boulevard, located in the Southeast

 

      19        Planning District, and this property is also

 

      20        located in Council District 4.

 

      21             The request is to change the land use from

 

      22        RPI, residential-professional-institutional, to

 

      23        CGC, community/general commercial.

 

      24             Staff has reviewed the item, looked at it

 

      25        in terms of compatibility, in terms of

 

 

 

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       1        consistency, overall impacts, and in terms of

 

       2        its relationships with existing -- surrounding

 

       3        neighborhoods, and recommends approval.

 

       4             This particular site, as a comment, is

 

       5        transitioning from a mix of low and medium

 

       6        density residential uses to a more intense

 

       7        commercial and -- and a mixed-use type of

 

       8        development that is compatible with adjacent

 

       9        uses to the east and to the south.

 

      10             Again, staff recommends approval.

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Crofts.

 

      12             Was there an amendment or something that

 

      13        somebody needed on this, Mr. Reingold?

 

      14             MR. REINGOLD:  To the Chair, yes, there is

 

      15        a revised owner list, and so that will need to

 

      16        be revised in the bill.

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Thank you, sir.

 

      18             All right.  We have a public hearing

 

      19        scheduled on this.  The public hearing is open.

 

      20        I have one speaker's card, Wyman Duggan.

 

      21             (Mr. Duggan approaches the podium.)

 

      22             MR. DUGGAN:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

 

      23             Wyman Duggan, 1301 Riverplace Boulevard,

 

      24        Suite 1500.

 

      25             Since there are no other speaker cards,

 

 

 

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       1        Mr. Chairman, I'll stand by for questions.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Thank you,

 

       3        Mr. Duggan.

 

       4             Do you want to talk about the amendment?

 

       5             MR. REINGOLD:  If Mr. Duggan just confirms

 

       6        that he's okay with that amendment, I'm fine.

 

       7             MR. DUGGAN:  Yes, Mr. Chairman.  I provided

 

       8        the revised owners list to Mr. Reingold today.

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you.

 

      10             Any other questions from the committee?

 

      11             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing none,

 

      13        anyone else care to address the committee on the

 

      14        bill?

 

      15             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing no one, the public

 

      17        hearing is closed.

 

      18             MR. JOOST:  Move the amendment.

 

      19             MR. BISHOP:  Second.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion on the amendment by

 

      21        Mr. Joost, second by Mr. Bishop.

 

      22             Discussion on the amendment?

 

      23             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing none, all those in

 

      25        favor say yes.

 

 

 

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       1             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Yes.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Opposed say no.

 

       3             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

       5        adopted the amendment.

 

       6             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill as amended.

 

       7             MR. REDMAN:  Second.

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion on the bill as

 

       9        amended by Mr. Joost, second by Mr. Redman.

 

      10             Discussion on the bill as amended?

 

      11             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing none, open the

 

      13        ballot, vote.

 

      14             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      15             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

      16             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      17             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

      18             MR. D. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      19             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      20             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      21             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      22             MS. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nay.

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you have

 

      24        approved item 31, 2010-617.

 

      25             MR. DUGGAN:  Thank you.

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Duggan.

 

       2             2010-618, item 32.  We are going to -- this

 

       3        is the companion rezoning, but we're not going

 

       4        to take that up tonight.  We do have a public

 

       5        hearing scheduled.  The public hearing is open.

 

       6             Mr. Duggan, did you have a card for that? I

 

       7        don't have --

 

       8             MR. DUGGAN:  I'm sorry.  I did not because

 

       9        it didn't come out of Planning Commission, so I

 

      10        didn't anticipate we would actually open the

 

      11        hearing.

 

      12             I'm here for questions.

 

      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  Anyone else care to address

 

      14        the committee?

 

      15             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing no one,

 

      17        the public hearing is continued until September

 

      18        21st, and that bill is deferred.

 

      19             MR. DUGGAN:  Thank you.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  We already took up item 33

 

      21        at the bottom of the page and item 34 at the top

 

      22        of page 11.

 

      23             Anybody here on item 35?  Raise your hand.

 

      24             MR. C. HART:  (Indicating.)

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Hart, come forward,

 

 

 

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       1        please.

 

       2             Mr. Crofts.

 

       3             MR. CROFTS:  Item 35, 2010-621, is a

 

       4        proposed land use amendment to the future land

 

       5        use map series of the 2030 Comprehensive Plan

 

       6        seeking to modify 9.47 acres of land located at

 

       7        6604, 6606, and 6664 Osceola Street.

 

       8             This property is located in the Northwest

 

       9        Planning District.  It is in Council District

 

      10        10.  The request is to modify the land from use

 

      11        low density residential to LI, light

 

      12        industrial.

 

      13             I would point out that this particular

 

      14        property has been evaluated in terms of

 

      15        compatibility, with consistency, and its

 

      16        impacts.  It has been determined to be in the

 

      17        industrial sanctuary area, which is a special

 

      18        industrial overlay designation in the City's

 

      19        comprehensive plan.  It has gone before the ITAC

 

      20        committee for approval, which is that committee

 

      21        overseeing that overlay.

 

      22             Staff recommends approval.

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Crofts.

 

      24             We have a public hearing scheduled on this

 

      25        this evening.  The public hearing is open.  I

 

 

 

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       1        have two speaker cards.  The first is Curtis

 

       2        Hart.

 

       3             (Mr. C. Hart approaches the podium.)

 

       4             MR. C. HART:  Curtis Hart, 8051 Tara Lane,

 

       5        Jacksonville, Florida.

 

       6             I'm just here to state for the record that

 

       7        I'm asking you to approve this item and to note

 

       8        for the record that the Pickettville Association

 

       9        and Mr. Henderson has signed off on it.

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Hart.

 

      11             Any questions from the committee?

 

      12             MR. C. HART:  No.

 

      13             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  I meant for them.

 

      15             MR. C. HART:  I thought that was a

 

      16        question.  I don't have any questions of you

 

      17        guys.  It's the way you --

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  We needed some

 

      19        entertainment there, Mr. Hart.  It's getting

 

      20        late.

 

      21             All right.  I have another speaker's card,

 

      22        Justin Hart.

 

      23             Now, Mr. Hart, I see that you're -- it's

 

      24        noted on here that you're a lobbyist, but you're

 

      25        not registered.  Are you --

 

 

 

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       1             (Mr. J. Hart approaches the podium.)

 

       2             MR. J. HART:  Apparently it became apparent

 

       3        a little while ago I wasn't registered, so

 

       4        called in for the backup.

 

       5             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Do you own the

 

       6        property or -- is this your property or --

 

       7             MR. J. HART:  No, not today.

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  I'm going to

 

       9        need you to register and I'm not going to be

 

      10        able to -- okay?

 

      11             MR. J. HART:  No big deal.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Thank you.

 

      13             Is that correct, Mr. Reingold?  It's the

 

      14        zoning application that --

 

      15             MR. REINGOLD:  Yeah, absolutely.

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  I just want to

 

      17        make sure I'm on the right page.

 

      18             MR. REINGOLD:  Pursuant to your comments,

 

      19        Mr. Hart could speak on the rezoning.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Thank you.

 

      21             Anyone else care to address the committee?

 

      22             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing no one,

 

      24        the public hearing is closed.

 

      25             MR. BISHOP:  Move the bill.

 

 

 

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       1             MR. JOOST:  Second.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion by Mr. Bishop, second

 

       3        by Mr. Joost.

 

       4             Discussion?

 

       5             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  If not, open the ballot,

 

       7        vote.

 

       8             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

       9             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

      10             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      11             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

      12             MR. D. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      13             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      14             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      15             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      16             MS. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nay.

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  By our action, you've

 

      18        approved item 35, 2010-621.

 

      19             Item 36, 2010-622.

 

      20             Mr. Kelly.

 

      21             MR. KELLY:  Thank you.

 

      22             To the Chair and committee, ordinance

 

      23        2010-622 is the companion rezoning for the

 

      24        previous land use request.  This is going from

 

      25        RR to PUD.  Again, this PUD is being provided to

 

 

 

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       1        allow for light industrial uses.

 

       2             This is located at the intersection of

 

       3        Old Kings Road and Pritchard Road within an area

 

       4        of situational compatibility within the

 

       5        industrial overlay.

 

       6             Again, the department finds it to be

 

       7        consistent with numerous policies in the

 

       8        comprehensive plan, future land use objective

 

       9        3.2, 3.2.30.  Additionally, finds it consistent

 

      10        with the criteria for a PUD as it is internally

 

      11        compatible and also externally compatible

 

      12        through the conditions of approval and the

 

      13        written description.

 

      14             The conditions for approval are the five

 

      15        conditions identified in the memorandum letter

 

      16        to the council president dated August 26th.  I

 

      17        will read those into the record.

 

      18             "The development shall be subject to the

 

      19        original legal description dated June 16th,

 

      20        2010."

 

      21             Condition 2, "The development shall be

 

      22        subject to the revised written description dated

 

      23        August 24th, 2010."

 

      24             Condition 3, "The development shall be

 

      25        subject to the" -- and it says the original site

 

 

 

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       1        plan, but I believe Dylan and I talked about

 

       2        this earlier.  Because of the -- a minor change

 

       3        to the site plan that talked about potential

 

       4        access from the southern property line through

 

       5        another parcel, because of that indication on

 

       6        the site plan, we had to revise the site plan

 

       7        date.  So that is now the revised site plan

 

       8        dated September 8th, 2010.

 

       9             Condition 4, "The development shall be

 

      10        subject to the review and approval of the

 

      11        Development Services Division memorandum dated

 

      12        August 4th, 2010, attached, or as otherwise

 

      13        approved by the Planning and Development

 

      14        Department."

 

      15             And condition 5, "A 100-foot-wide buffer

 

      16        consisting of landscaping and berming shall be

 

      17        provided and maintained along the north property

 

      18        line in accordance with Section F and the

 

      19        Industrial Buffer Plan A as attached."

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Kelly.

 

      21             Mr. Reingold.

 

      22             MR. REINGOLD:  There are just two small

 

      23        comments on condition 4.  I think it would just

 

      24        be more appropriate to have it, "The development

 

      25        shall be subject to the Development Services

 

 

 

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       1        Division memorandum," and then the rest stay the

 

       2        same.  And on the final one where Mr. Kelly

 

       3        said "attached," I think we should reference

 

       4        that as Exhibit 4 if that's going to be attached

 

       5        to the bill.

 

       6             Other than that, we're fine to go.

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Thank you,

 

       8        Mr. Reingold.

 

       9             This is a quasi-judicial matter.  Does

 

      10        anyone have any ex-parte communication to

 

      11        disclose?

 

      12             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing none, we

 

      14        have a public hearing scheduled this evening.

 

      15             The public hearing is open and I have two

 

      16        speaker cards, Curtis Hart, Justin Hart.

 

      17             Curtis.

 

      18             (Mr. C. Hart approaches the podium.)

 

      19             MR. C. HART:  Curtis Hart, 8051 Tara Lane.

 

      20             I'm in support of these items and agree

 

      21        with the conditions.

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Thank you, sir.

 

      23             Do you agree to the conditions as modified

 

      24        by Mr. Reingold's comments?

 

      25            MR. C. HART:  Yes, sir.

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Thank you, sir.

 

       2             Any questions for Mr. Hart?

 

       3             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  Justin Hart.

 

       5             MR. J. HART:  (Shakes head.)

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  You're going to waive?  You

 

       7        can actually speak this time.

 

       8             MR. J. HART:  I'm good.

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  You're good.  Okay.

 

      10             All right.  Very good.

 

      11             Anybody else care to address the

 

      12        committee?

 

      13             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing no one,

 

      15        the public hearing is closed.

 

      16             MR. JOOST:  Move the amendment.

 

      17             MR. BISHOP:  Second.

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion on the amendment by

 

      19        Mr. Joost, second by Mr. Bishop.

 

      20             Discussion?

 

      21             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  If not, all those in favor

 

      23        say yes.

 

      24             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Yes.

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  Opposed say no.

 

 

 

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       1             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

       3        adopted the amendment.

 

       4             MR. HOLT:  Move the bill as amended.

 

       5             MR. JOOST:  Second.

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion by Mr. Holt, second

 

       7        by Mr. Joost.

 

       8             Discussion on the bill as amended?

 

       9             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  If not, open the ballot,

 

      11        vote.

 

      12             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      13             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

      14             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      15             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

      16             MR. D. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      17             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      18             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      19             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      20             MS. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nay.

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you have

 

      22        approved item 36, 2010-622.

 

      23             Item 37.  Is Mr. Hoff still here?

 

      24             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Yes.

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Do you want to

 

 

 

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       1        come forward, sir?

 

       2             Item 37, 2010-623.

 

       3             Mr. Crofts.

 

       4             MR. CROFTS:  This legislation is a proposed

 

       5        land use amendment to the future land use map

 

       6        series of the 2030 Comprehensive Plan seeking to

 

       7        modify 26.8 acres of land located currently at

 

       8        the address of 5654 Dunn Avenue.  This property

 

       9        is located in the North Planning District.  It

 

      10        is in Council District 8.  It is a request to

 

      11        modify the land use from low density residential

 

      12        to RPI.

 

      13             The purpose of this land use amendment is

 

      14        to allow the existing church to expand with some

 

      15        additional housing and church-related,

 

      16        ancillary-type uses on the entire property.

 

      17             The Planning Department has conducted a

 

      18        review of this item, feels that it is compatible

 

      19        with the surrounding land use, and the impacts

 

      20        on those surrounding uses is in a positive

 

      21        nature.  It is consistent with the applicable

 

      22        plans, the comprehensive plan, and its overall

 

      23        impact on the infrastructure and the

 

      24        environmental components of the area.

 

      25             And, with that, the department recommends

 

 

 

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       1        approval.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Crofts.

 

       3             We have a public hearing scheduled on this

 

       4        item tonight.  The public hearing is open.  I

 

       5        have one speaker's card, Henry Hoff.

 

       6             Mr. Hoff.

 

       7             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Henry Hoff, 5654 Dunn

 

       8        Avenue, representing the applicant.

 

       9             I'm just here to -- we agree with the

 

      10        Planning Department's recommendation.  I'm here

 

      11        to answer any questions.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, sir.

 

      13             Any questions for Mr. Hoff?

 

      14             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing none,

 

      16        anyone else care to address the committee?

 

      17             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing nobody, the public

 

      19        hearing is closed.

 

      20             MR. HOLT:  Move the bill.

 

      21             MR. JOOST:  Second.

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion on the bill by

 

      23        Mr. Holt, second by Mr. Joost.

 

      24             Discussion?

 

      25             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  If not, open the ballot,

 

       2        vote.

 

       3             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

       4             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

       5             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

       6             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

       7             MR. D. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       8             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

       9             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      10             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      11             MS. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nay.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you have

 

      13        approved item 37, 2010-623.

 

      14             Item 38 will be deferred tonight.  It's

 

      15        still in Planning Commission.  We do have a

 

      16        public hearing scheduled.  The public hearing is

 

      17        open.  I have one speaker's card, Mr. Hoff,

 

      18        Henry Hoff.

 

      19             Mr. Hoff, did you want to address the

 

      20        committee on this item?  We're not taking it up

 

      21        tonight.  It's still in Planning Commission.  It

 

      22        will be deferred, but we still have a public

 

      23        hearing.

 

      24             MR. HOFF:  Okay.  No.

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Anyone else care to

 

 

 

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       1        address the committee?

 

       2             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing no one,

 

       4        the public hearing is continued until September

 

       5        21st and the bill is deferred.

 

       6             Ms. Tropia, how are you holding up?

 

       7             (Discussion held off the record.)

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Out of respect

 

       9        to our court reporter -- I'm sorry, folks, but

 

      10        we're going to have to take a quick five-minute

 

      11        recess so that she can, again, regain the

 

      12        feeling in her fingertips.

 

      13             So we'll stand adjourned for five minutes.

 

      14             (Brief recess.)

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  We're going to reconvene the

 

      16        Land Use and Zoning Committee meeting.  It's

 

      17        about 9:12.

 

      18             Let's see if I can remember where we were.

 

      19             Item 39.  Do we have anybody here on

 

      20        item 39?  Yes, we do.

 

      21             Okay.  Mr. Crofts.

 

      22             MR. CROFTS:  Item 39, ordinance 2010-626,

 

      23        is a proposed land use amendment to the future

 

      24        land use map series of our comprehensive plan

 

      25        seeking to modify 17.70 acres located at Cedar

 

 

 

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       1        Point Road, east of Grover Road, in the North

 

       2        Planning District.  This is in Council District

 

       3        11.

 

       4             The request is to modify the land use from

 

       5        rural residential to low density residential to

 

       6        provide for the ultimate development of a

 

       7        residential development in a manner consistent

 

       8        with the density and the provisions in the

 

       9        overall area.

 

      10             Staff recommended -- recommends approval of

 

      11        this particular development because of the

 

      12        common threads of consistency, compatibility,

 

      13        and the acceptable levels of impact and on

 

      14        infrastructure and the surrounding environment.

 

      15             Staff recommends approval.

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Thank you,

 

      17        Mr. Crofts.

 

      18             We have a public hearing scheduled this

 

      19        evening.  I have one speaker's card.  The public

 

      20        hearing is open.

 

      21             Dan Boswell.

 

      22             (Mr. Boswell approaches the podium.)

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Boswell.

 

      24             MR. BOSWELL:  Yes.  Dan Boswell, 4014 Ranie

 

      25        Road, Jacksonville, Florida 32218.

 

 

 

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       1             Is this something that I can -- can we

 

       2        pause on this for just a few moments, take up

 

       3        the next bill?  I need to -- I've got an unusual

 

       4        situation.  I need to call --

 

       5             THE CHAIRMAN:  The next bill, item 40, we

 

       6        actually have that scheduled for a deferral

 

       7        tonight.

 

       8             Are you on item 39 on page 12, the south

 

       9        side of Cedar Point Road, east of Grover Road?

 

      10             MR. BOSWELL:  That's the same -- that's the

 

      11        same -- I'm trying to --

 

      12             MR. HOLT:  (Inaudible.)

 

      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  Oh, I'm sorry.  So what you

 

      14        want to do is just take -- you want us to table

 

      15        this for the moment?

 

      16             MR. BOSWELL:  If you can take the next one,

 

      17        I can come right back.

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  Sure.

 

      19             Do I need a motion to table --

 

      20             MR. REINGOLD:  (Shakes head.)

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  -- or can I just table --

 

      22             All right.  We're just going to table

 

      23        this.  And when you come back, just sit in the

 

      24        front row, flail your arms, and I will bring you

 

      25        back up.

 

 

 

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       1             MR. BOSWELL:  Thank you.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  So we're going

 

       3        to temporarily pass over that.

 

       4             Item 40.  Nobody is here on item 40, so

 

       5        we'll come back to that.

 

       6             Item 41.  I have a speaker's card.

 

       7             Mr. Crofts.  Item 41, 20100-627.

 

       8             MR. CROFTS:  Item 41, ordinance 2010-627,

 

       9        is a proposed land use amendment to the future

 

      10        land use map series to the 2030 Comprehensive

 

      11        Plan seeking to modify 33.27 acres of land

 

      12        located at 9766 Garden Street in the southwest

 

      13        corner of Jones Road and Garden Street.

 

      14             The property is located in the Northwest

 

      15        Planning District.  It is in Council

 

      16        District 8.  The request is from the LDR, low

 

      17        density residential land use classification, to

 

      18        the neighborhood commercial land use

 

      19        classification.

 

      20             Staff has reviewed this item and found it

 

      21        consistent and compatible and acceptable in

 

      22        terms of its impacts and recommends approval.

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Crofts.

 

      24             We have a public hearing scheduled this

 

      25        evening.  The public hearing is open.  I have

 

 

 

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       1        one speaker's card, Paul Harden.

 

       2             (Mr. Harden approaches the podium.)

 

       3             MR. HARDEN:  Paul Harden, 501 Riverside

 

       4        Avenue.

 

       5             I'm here for questions only.

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Harden.

 

       7             Any questions for Mr. Harden?

 

       8             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing none,

 

      10        anyone else care to address the committee?

 

      11             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing nobody,

 

      13        the public hearing is closed.

 

      14             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill.

 

      15             MR. HOLT:  Second.

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion on the bill by

 

      17        Mr. Joost, second by Mr. Holt.

 

      18             Discussion?

 

      19             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing none, open the

 

      21        ballot, vote.

 

      22             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      23             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

      24             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      25             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

 

 

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       1             MR. D. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       2             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

       3             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       4             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

       5             MS. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nay.

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you have

 

       7        approved item 41, 2010-627.

 

       8             Turning to page 13, item 42, we have a

 

       9        request to defer this this evening by the

 

      10        district councilperson.

 

      11             We do have a public hearing scheduled.  The

 

      12        public hearing is open.  I have one speaker's

 

      13        card, Mr. Harden.

 

      14             Mr. Harden.

 

      15             MR. HARDEN:  I'll defer until the public

 

      16        hearing.

 

      17             Are you going to defer it just one cycle?

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  I'm going to -- yes, sir.

 

      19        I'm going to continue the public hearing till

 

      20        September 21st.

 

      21             MR. HARDEN:  Thank you, sir.

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  And if you will

 

      23        get with the district councilperson and -- we'll

 

      24        be happy to take it up, but -- if she doesn't

 

      25        request any further deferrals.

 

 

 

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       1             Any other questions from the committee?

 

       2             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Anyone else care

 

       4        to address the committee?

 

       5             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing no one, the public

 

       7        hearing is continued until September 21st and

 

       8        the bill is deferred.

 

       9             Item 43, 2010-629.  I have several speaker

 

      10        cards on this.  We'll take it up.

 

      11             Mr. Crofts.

 

      12             MR. CROFTS:  First of all, I draw your

 

      13        attention to two handouts that I have provided

 

      14        to you.  One is labeled Supplemental Information

 

      15        Pertaining to Ordinance 2010-629 and -630, which

 

      16        basically reflects a time frame that involves

 

      17        this particular piece -- pieces of property

 

      18        along the south side of Cedar Bay Road that

 

      19        we're moving forward with a -- a land use

 

      20        amendment and a companion rezoning.

 

      21             Also draw your attention, for a visual

 

      22        perspective, of a map that shows where this

 

      23        property is located, which is along the south

 

      24        side of Cedar Bay Road, just east of Main

 

      25        Street.

 

 

 

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       1             As you can see from the handout, this

 

       2        property has experienced a unique history of

 

       3        alternative zoning designations and future land

 

       4        use designations dating back to consolidation.

 

       5             Prior to consolidation and in the early

 

       6        years after consolidation, up to the late 1980s,

 

       7        this property was designated industrial, then in

 

       8        1986, the property, through -- was changed to a

 

       9        low density residential classification.  This

 

      10        was done through a North District district plan,

 

      11        as we called it at that time, and -- which was

 

      12        engaging a variety of individuals.  It was a

 

      13        very deliberate planning process that had

 

      14        extensive public involvement, hearings, and

 

      15        ultimately that particular document was adopted

 

      16        by resolution by the City Council.

 

      17             That particular low density residential

 

      18        designation continued through -- it was actually

 

      19        embraced and encapsulated in the City's 2010

 

      20        Comprehensive Plan when it was adopted in 1990.

 

      21             Later, after that, the property was

 

      22        actually zoned, at that time, RLD-G, to be

 

      23        consistent with the previous land use

 

      24        designation.  That actually -- rezoning took

 

      25        place in 1991.

 

 

 

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       1             Then later, because of an adjacent

 

       2        property, was split zoned.  And the planning

 

       3        director, at that time, in her capacity,

 

       4        modified the property in question by an

 

       5        administrative memorandum that basically

 

       6        converted this property back to industrial.

 

       7             When this action became apparent just

 

       8        recent- -- well, actually, not recently, but

 

       9        within the last two years, there was an outrage,

 

      10        there was an outburst of concern reflected by

 

      11        the adjacent property owners in the neighborhood

 

      12        around this property to the north, which is a

 

      13        residential area located on a local street, and

 

      14        legislation was introduced to downzone this

 

      15        particular land use and this particular

 

      16        property.  That is the product of this

 

      17        legislation.

 

      18             Staff recommends approval and feels that

 

      19        this buffer along the south side of Cedar Bay

 

      20        Road is important, it's critical and essential,

 

      21        it's consistent with the comprehensive plan, and

 

      22        is necessary to protect the neighborhoods -- the

 

      23        residential neighborhoods to the north along

 

      24        this local road, which is Cedar Bay Road.

 

      25             Thank you.  And staff recommends approval.

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Crofts.

 

       2             We have a public hearing scheduled this

 

       3        evening.  The public hearing is open.  I have

 

       4        several speakers' cards, beginning with Arnold

 

       5        Slott.

 

       6             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

       7             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Mr. Chairman and members

 

       8        of the committee, my name is Arnold Slott.  My

 

       9        address is 334 East Duval Street.

 

      10             I represent the owners of this property,

 

      11        who are objecting to the City's application to

 

      12        downzone the property from its current light

 

      13        industrial to residential.

 

      14             This is, frankly, an impermissible reverse

 

      15        spot zoning.  This property is notched within IL

 

      16        zoning.  The entirety -- well, not all IL, but

 

      17        some of the Imeson Industrial Park as it abuts

 

      18        this property from the south is IL; in other

 

      19        words, this property is between IL zoning and

 

      20        the road.  It is totally incompatible and it --

 

      21        unsuitable for residential use.

 

      22             The result of what the City is doing is to

 

      23        create, by zoning fiat, a buffer.  We will not

 

      24        be able to develop this residentially, so we

 

      25        will be in that posture of not being able to do

 

 

 

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       1        anything with the property, not for anything

 

       2        that the owners have done, but what the City of

 

       3        Jacksonville has decided to do.

 

       4             This property -- Cedar Bay Road is quite a

 

       5        long road.  This property, as you see on the

 

       6        map, is located at the west -- virtually at the

 

       7        western terminus of Cedar Bay Road where you

 

       8        have commercial and industrial activity.  There

 

       9        is -- long after this property and its history

 

      10        was industrial, there were residential

 

      11        developments that developed north of Cedar Bay

 

      12        Road.  If you look at how they're configured on

 

      13        your map, you will see that they're -- although

 

      14        they're not gated communities, they do have --

 

      15        they don't front on the road.  You drive into

 

      16        those roads.

 

      17             It is part of the land planning state

 

      18        statute, this:  "It is the intent of the

 

      19        legislature that all governmental entities in

 

      20        this state recognize and respect

 

      21        judicially-acknowledged or

 

      22        constitutionally-protected private property

 

      23        rights.

 

      24             "It is the intent of the legislature that

 

      25        all rules, ordinances, regulations, and programs

 

 

 

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       1        adopted under the authority of this act must be

 

       2        developed, promulgated, implemented, and applied

 

       3        with sensitivity for private property rights and

 

       4        not be unduly restrictive, and property owners

 

       5        must be free from actions of others which would

 

       6        harm their property.

 

       7             "Full and just compensation or other

 

       8        appropriate relief must be provided to any

 

       9        property owner for a governmental action that is

 

      10        determined to be an invalid exercise of the

 

      11        police power which constitutes a taking as

 

      12        provided by law."

 

      13             That's what we have here and that's what we

 

      14        will seek, if we have to -- we really don't want

 

      15        to -- in court.

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Slott.

 

      17             Any questions from the committee?

 

      18             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  Our next speaker is Barbara

 

      20        Broward, followed by John Peavy.

 

      21             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

      22             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  My name is Barbara

 

      23        Broward.  I live at 717 Cedar Bay Road.

 

      24             This has been a residential community since

 

      25        before the Second World War.

 

 

 

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       1             In 1968, the industrial -- the airport had

 

       2        been sold to an industrial park and the conc- --

 

       3        people were concerned about commercialism coming

 

       4        onto Cedar Bay Road.  A public meeting was

 

       5        established and held by Mayor Hans Tanzler in

 

       6        1968.  Everyone was present.  And what they

 

       7        decided was Cedar Bay Road was to always be a

 

       8        residential road.  All commercial traffic

 

       9        involving that industrial property was to remain

 

      10        within the industrial park, all roads going

 

      11        inland into the industrial park, staying off of

 

      12        our residential road.

 

      13             In 1986, the Bostwicks, who owned some

 

      14        property on the river side of the road, tried to

 

      15        rezone a 42-acre site, jumping the road,

 

      16        bringing commercialism into our community.  This

 

      17        was a public meeting and this attempt to put

 

      18        this into commercial business was denied.

 

      19             Also at that time, our councilman,

 

      20        Joe Forshee, had a 200-foot buffer zone, as

 

      21        buffer zones are put in place all over

 

      22        Jacksonville when they butt up against a

 

      23        residence.  A 200-foot buffer zone was then put

 

      24        in place running the full length of Cedar Bay

 

      25        Road.

 

 

 

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       1             Now, all of that buffer zone has been

 

       2        developed and -- to either homes or retention

 

       3        ponds, which would also constitute as a buffer,

 

       4        except for the piece of property which is now

 

       5        being discussed.

 

       6             Last year, we found a warehouse was being

 

       7        built in our residential community.  We had no

 

       8        knowledge that this was taking place and had

 

       9        been rezoned.  We had no idea that such a thing

 

      10        could even happen because it happened

 

      11        administratively, no public notice was put

 

      12        forth.  That one piece of property was sold to a

 

      13        warehouse.  The warehouse was built, and now we

 

      14        have 18-wheelers coming up and down our

 

      15        residential dead-end road, which is in violation

 

      16        of the 1968 covenant that the City entered

 

      17        into.

 

      18             Returning this property to residents allows

 

      19        our homes to be protected from further invasion

 

      20        of commercialism and it keeps our residential

 

      21        road exactly that, residential.  And I approve

 

      22        and hope that you support this.

 

      23             Thank you.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Ms. Broward.

 

      25             Any questions from the committee?

 

 

 

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       1             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Thank you,

 

       3        ma'am.

 

       4             John Peavy.

 

       5             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

       6             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  John Peavy, 1755 Cedar

 

       7        Bay Road.

 

       8             Cedar Bay Road runs off of North Main.

 

       9        It's the dead-end road, goes nowhere except to

 

      10        some beautiful homes.  These homes have been

 

      11        built there over the -- since preWorld War II.

 

      12             In the '80s, development started of

 

      13        upper-scale homes because there's waterfront

 

      14        area in there.  Those homes built in that

 

      15        neighborhood since the -- '86, are in the

 

      16        300,000 -- of course in today's market, that may

 

      17        be nothing, you know, but they were -- they're

 

      18        25-, 2,800 square feet [sic] homes, some of them

 

      19        4- and 5,000 square feet homes.

 

      20             The property that is under question here

 

      21        was residential when this all started.

 

      22        Administratively, it was changed to commercial

 

      23        and came to our attention when this warehouse

 

      24        popped up in the neighborhood.  We're not saying

 

      25        to the property owner that he cannot sell that

 

 

 

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       1        property, he just has to sell that as a

 

       2        residential property, which he sold some

 

       3        property out there years ago as residential

 

       4        property.

 

       5             We just want to keep our residential

 

       6        neighborhood, we want to keep it quiet.  And

 

       7        we're enjoying it, and it's a little piece of

 

       8        heaven for all of us.  And we'd appreciate your

 

       9        support on this bill.

 

      10             Thank you.

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Peavy.

 

      12             Any questions from the committee?

 

      13             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  I think that completes the

 

      15        speakers' cards.

 

      16             Anyone else care to address the committee?

 

      17             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing no one,

 

      19        the public hearing is closed.

 

      20             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill.

 

      21             MR. REDMAN:  Second.

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion on the bill by

 

      23        Mr. Joost, second by Mr. Redman.

 

      24             Discussion?

 

      25             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  If not, open the ballot,

 

       2        vote.

 

       3             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

       4             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

       5             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

       6             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

       7             MR. D. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       8             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

       9             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      10             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      11             MS. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nay.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  By our action, you have

 

      13        approved item 43, 2010-629.

 

      14             The companion rezoning, item 44, 2010-630.

 

      15             Mr. Kelly.

 

      16             MR. KELLY:  Thank you.

 

      17             To the Chair and committee members,

 

      18        ordinance 2010-630 is the companion rezoning

 

      19        going from industrial light to RLD-60.

 

      20             In conjunction with all of the statements

 

      21        made under the land use change request and the

 

      22        supplemental information that had been handed

 

      23        out, the department, to be consistent with the

 

      24        underlying land use, is approving the proposed

 

      25        rezoning to residential in conjunction with that

 

 

 

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       1        request.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Kelly.

 

       3             This is a quasi-judicial matter.  Anybody

 

       4        have any ex-parte communication to disclose?

 

       5             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing none, we

 

       7        also have a public hearing scheduled this

 

       8        evening.

 

       9             The public hearing is open.  I have three

 

      10        speakers' cards; Arnold Slott, Barbara Broward,

 

      11        and John Peavy.

 

      12             Mr. Slott, do you want to address the

 

      13        committee?

 

      14             (Mr. Slott approaches the podium.)

 

      15             MR. SLOTT:  This property -- there are

 

      16        certainly some beautiful homes on Cedar Bay

 

      17        Road.  They are way down the road, toward the

 

      18        river, from this property.  This property is

 

      19        very close to Main Street, nowhere near the

 

      20        expensive homes that have been described.  Any

 

      21        traffic that would serve as the light industrial

 

      22        uses here would never get down that far.

 

      23             This property is also in an industrial

 

      24        sanctuary based on an overlay.  And pursuant to

 

      25        that ordinance, the street itself, Cedar Bay

 

 

 

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       1        Road, is the buffer.  So what you're doing is

 

       2        you are taking my client's property and creating

 

       3        a buffer of residential right next to the IL

 

       4        zoning.  It is jam up.  There's no buffer

 

       5        between our client's property and IL property, a

 

       6        very unfair situation.

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Slott.

 

       8             Any questions from the committee?

 

       9             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Ms. Broward.

 

      11             (Ms. Broward approaches the podium.)

 

      12             MS. BROWARD:  I'm Barbara Broward.  I live

 

      13        at -- excuse me -- I live at 717 Cedar Bay

 

      14        Road.

 

      15             In addition to what I already had said

 

      16        previously, to say that we have no homes is

 

      17        obviously a mistake on the representing attorney

 

      18        because within 200 feet across the street there

 

      19        is Bay Harbor, and there are some very nice,

 

      20        expensive homes.  Not way down, but just across

 

      21        the street there is a community, a planned unit

 

      22        development called Bay Harbor.  Those homes are

 

      23        in excess of 2,400 -- yeah, 2,400 square feet.

 

      24        These are expensive homes, they're nice in area,

 

      25        in a planned unit development, and it is

 

 

 

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       1        directly across the street from this.

 

       2             In addition, the piece of property that was

 

       3        administratively changed on Cedar Bay Road is

 

       4        directly across the street from me.  So to say

 

       5        that there are no homes and that there are -- no

 

       6        one being directly affected is wrong because it

 

       7        is one mile down our road, and we have

 

       8        18-wheelers affecting us today.

 

       9             So to say that -- to allow further

 

      10        commercialism in a road that was zoned

 

      11        residential, for residential use only in 1968 is

 

      12        not only a wrong thing to have happened to our

 

      13        community, but it is also wrong for someone to

 

      14        get up and say that we are not affected because

 

      15        all of us are directly affected, not only trying

 

      16        to get in and out, but we are directly affected

 

      17        because of what has happened to the value of our

 

      18        land.

 

      19             Thank you.

 

      20             And, oh, yes, I support this zoning.

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Ms. Broward.

 

      22             Any questions from the committee?

 

      23             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Mr. Peavy.

 

      25             (Mr. Peavy approaches the podium.)

 

 

 

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       1             MR. PEAVY:  The property in question, the

 

       2        only way you can get to it is off of Cedar Bay

 

       3        Road.  The industrial park is on the back side

 

       4        or around -- you have to go out to Main Street,

 

       5        go up Busch Drive, and that property is owned by

 

       6        Webb Corporation.  So, you know, to tie this as

 

       7        a commercial piece of property to Webb would

 

       8        require them to get together and then we'd end

 

       9        up with a big industrial park sitting in our

 

      10        backyard.

 

      11             This property can be sold residential.

 

      12        It's a quiet street, as long as we don't have

 

      13        semis coming down it.  And by passing this, we

 

      14        hope that won't happen.

 

      15             We thank you.

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Peavy.

 

      17             Any questions from the committee?

 

      18             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Anyone else care

 

      20        to address the committee on this matter?

 

      21             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing no one,

 

      23        the public hearing is closed.

 

      24             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill.

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion on the bill by

 

 

 

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       1        Mr. Joost --

 

       2             MR. HOLT:  Second.

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  -- second by Mr. Holt.

 

       4             Any discussion?

 

       5             MR. HOLT:  Yes.

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Holt.

 

       7             MR. HOLT:  Thank you, Mr. Chair.

 

       8             I just wanted to kind of summarize, mainly

 

       9        for Mr. Brown because he hasn't been here for

 

      10        the last year.

 

      11             We've gone through this process twice

 

      12        already and it's gone to transmittal and now

 

      13        come back.

 

      14             And thank you, Mr. Crofts, for putting out

 

      15        this (indicating).  This was a very good history

 

      16        of what has happened with this property.

 

      17             And I just want to emphasize, back in '01,

 

      18        when Ms. Fewell administratively changed this

 

      19        for a coffee company that was going to be

 

      20        locating there, nothing went through public

 

      21        hearings.  It didn't go through these

 

      22        processes.  We have these processes for a

 

      23        reason, so that people can come down here and

 

      24        speak their peace.  And nothing would prevent

 

      25        the property owner from coming back and

 

 

 

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       1        submitting an application to change this to

 

       2        whatever they want to and go through those

 

       3        normal processes.

 

       4             So I would ask for your support of this,

 

       5        this bill.  And later down the road we're going

 

       6        to have another bill that will address traffic

 

       7        issues, and that is something that I have been

 

       8        working on with Webb International in order to

 

       9        make sure that their land is protected.

 

      10             Thank you.

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Holt.

 

      12             We have a motion and a second.  Any further

 

      13        discussion?

 

      14             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  If not, open the

 

      16        ballot, vote.

 

      17             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      18             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

      19             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      20             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

      21             MR. D. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      22             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      23             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      24             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      25             MS. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nay.

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  By our action, you have

 

       2        approved item 44, 2010-630.

 

       3             Mr. Boswell, do you want to flail your arms

 

       4        for me?

 

       5             MR. BOSWELL:  (Complies.)

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Come back up.

 

       7             (Mr. Boswell approaches the podium.)

 

       8             MR. BOSWELL:  I'm drowning.

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  This is -- we're

 

      10        going to go back to item 39, I believe.  That's

 

      11        on page 12, 2010-625.

 

      12             Mr. Crofts, you gave your report.  We were

 

      13        in the public hearing portion.

 

      14             Mr. Boswell, I don't believe you spoke, but

 

      15        you're welcome to speak now.

 

      16             MR. BOSWELL:  Yes.  On the -- addressing

 

      17        the land use, this is, as it says, 17.7 acres

 

      18        located directly in front of another PUD that's

 

      19        going to join up with us.  It's a residential

 

      20        PUD in a residential PUD neighborhood, so that's

 

      21        what I'm asking that you approve.

 

      22             On the -- when we move on to the zoning

 

      23        portion, I have some conditions that I think we

 

      24        can work with.

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Any questions for

 

 

 

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       1        Mr. Boswell?

 

       2             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing none,

 

       4        anyone else care to address the committee?

 

       5             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  The public

 

       7        hearing is closed.

 

       8             MR. HOLT:  Move the bill.

 

       9             MR. JOOST:  Second.

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion on the bill by

 

      11        Mr. Holt, second by Mr. Joost.

 

      12             Discussion?

 

      13             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing none, open the

 

      15        ballot, vote.

 

      16             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      17             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

      18             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      19             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

      20             MR. D. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      21             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      22             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      23             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      24             MS. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nay.

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  By our action, you have

 

 

 

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       1        approved item 39, 2010-625.

 

       2             Item 40, 2010-626.

 

       3             Mr. Kelly.

 

       4             MR. REINGOLD:  I'm sorry, I kind of talked

 

       5        to Councilmember Holt.  He had mentioned -- the

 

       6        council member had mentioned at the committee

 

       7        meeting -- or the agenda meeting that he might

 

       8        want to defer this, but I wasn't sure what the

 

       9        posture was for the committee at this moment.

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Holt.

 

      11             MR. HOLT:  I'll wait until after

 

      12        Mr. Kelly --

 

      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Mr. Kelly.

 

      14             MR. KELLY:  Thank you.

 

      15             To the Chair and committee, ordinance

 

      16        2010-626 is the companion rezoning to the

 

      17        proposed land use request to allow for the

 

      18        zoning to go from rural residential one-acre to

 

      19        planned unit development to provide for a

 

      20        single-family subdivision of approximately

 

      21        77 units with a cul-de-sac circulation system

 

      22        that is internally compatible with the

 

      23        development that surrounds it.

 

      24             The department is supporting this request

 

      25        subject to the five conditions in the memorandum

 

 

 

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       1        dated August 22nd -- or 26th to Council

 

       2        President Webb.  The conditions are as follows:

 

       3             "The development shall be subject to the

 

       4        original legal description dated June 3rd,

 

       5        2010."

 

       6             "The development shall be subject to the

 

       7        original written description dated June 3rd,

 

       8        2010."

 

       9             "The development shall be subject to the

 

      10        original site plan dated June 3rd, 2010."

 

      11             Condition 4, "The development shall be

 

      12        subject to the review and approval of the

 

      13        Development Services Division memorandum dated

 

      14        July 26th, 2010, or as otherwise approved by the

 

      15        Planning and Development Department."

 

      16             Condition 5, "The areas designated as Park

 

      17        located on each side of the main entrance road

 

      18        from Cedar Point Road as depicted on the site

 

      19        plan shall not be considered towards the

 

      20        required recreation area for the development

 

      21        and, accordingly, such areas shall not be

 

      22        calculated for purposes of meeting the total

 

      23        required recreation area on the subject

 

      24        property."

 

      25            THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Kelly.

 

 

 

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       1             We have a -- I'm sorry.  This is a

 

       2        quasi-judicial matter.  Does anyone have any

 

       3        quasi-judicial -- I mean, any ex-parte

 

       4        communication to disclose?

 

       5             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing none,

 

       7        I'll --

 

       8             MR. BOSWELL:  Can I add to those

 

       9        conditions?

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  We're going to get to you in

 

      11        just a second.

 

      12             MR. BOSWELL:  Okay.

 

      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  No ex-parte.

 

      14             Okay.  We have a public hearing scheduled.

 

      15        The public hearing is open.

 

      16             Mr. Boswell, I don't have a speaker card

 

      17        for you.  I'm going to send this one back

 

      18        (indicating).  You may want to amend it because

 

      19        it was slated to be deferred.  So if you'll just

 

      20        amend that, but --

 

      21             MR. BOSWELL:  Okay.

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  -- we are in the public

 

      23        hearing, so --

 

      24             MR. BOSWELL:  Sure.

 

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       1        Florida 32218, and I represent the

 

       2        owner/developer on this PUD, land use and -- and

 

       3        rezoning PUD applications.

 

       4             As I said, it's a 17.7-acre site located

 

       5        directly in front of a 40-acre site that's

 

       6        already been approved as a PUD previously.

 

       7             And I agree with the conditions and -- that

 

       8        was set forth by the Planning Department.

 

       9             There's a couple additional items that we

 

      10        probably need to put in there also, but -- that

 

      11        I'd like to enter.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Thank you,

 

      13        Mr. Boswell.

 

      14             Mr. Holt.

 

      15             MR. HOLT:  Thank you.

 

      16             Through the Chair to Mr. Boswell, were you

 

      17        able to -- well, there were -- there were

 

      18        several conditions that I wanted to have

 

      19        Mr. Boswell check and see if his client would

 

      20        approve of, and that was a requirement for

 

      21        exterior products to be brick, stone, or stucco,

 

      22        masonry products.

 

      23             Did he approve of that?

 

      24             MR. BOSWELL:  I wasn't able to get in touch

 

      25        with him, but he had previously approved that.

 

 

 

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       1             MR. HOLT:  Okay.  So you didn't speak with

 

       2        him to get approval on minimum square footage?

 

       3             MR. BOSWELL:  Well, the minimum square

 

       4        footage is -- I was going to ask you that we go

 

       5        with an average square foot -- square footage of

 

       6        the structures.

 

       7             MR. HOLT:  Okay.  Well, if you weren't able

 

       8        to speak with the client, then I'm still not

 

       9        comfortable moving forward with it.  So if you

 

      10        weren't able to get approval, I would like to

 

      11        defer, Mr. Chair.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  We will -- I'm sorry,

 

      13        what bill are we on?

 

      14             MR. HOLT:  -626.

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  -626.  Okay.  I flipped my

 

      16        agenda over.  I'm sorry.

 

      17             -626.  We will -- the district council

 

      18        member is requesting a deferral.

 

      19             We're in public hearing.  Is there anyone

 

      20        else that cares to address the committee?

 

      21             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing no one,

 

      23        the public hearing is continued until September

 

      24        21st, and the bill will be deferred, no further

 

      25        action tonight.

 

 

 

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       1             Mr. Holt.

 

       2             MR. HOLT:  Thank you, sir.

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you.

 

       4             All right.  Let's see, I was over on

 

       5        page 13, looking at item 45.  That is going to

 

       6        be deferred, so we can take that off the list,

 

       7        and that completes that page.

 

       8             My next speaker cards take us to item 48 on

 

       9        page 14, 2010-658.  I have several speaker

 

      10        cards, so we will go with -- Mr. Reingold, did

 

      11        you have a comment that you wanted to make on

 

      12        this before we opened the public hearing?

 

      13             MR. REINGOLD:  To the Chair, absolutely.

 

      14             I guess there's just a -- kind of a

 

      15        proposed amendment that I discussed with

 

      16        Mr. Killingsworth and Mr. Holt, and both of them

 

      17        were comfortable with it.  And, therefore, I

 

      18        will present the amendment and then we can open

 

      19        the public hearing.

 

      20             It doesn't do a lot, substantively,

 

      21        changing it, but I think it just puts it in a

 

      22        better -- it's framed better now, and

 

      23        essentially it will prohibit -- it essentially

 

      24        will say that, "New development along Cedar Bay

 

      25        Road, a residential, dead-end street, shall not

 

 

 

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       1        generate industrial traffic."  It's just sort of

 

       2        a better way to phrase what was written in the

 

       3        first text amendment proposal.

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Thank you,

 

       5        Mr. Reingold.

 

       6             We have a public hearing scheduled.  The

 

       7        public hearing is open.  I have the following

 

       8        speaker cards:  Arnold Slott, Barbara Broward,

 

       9        John Peavy, Andre Ferreira.

 

      10             So, Mr. Slott, would you begin?

 

      11             (Mr. Slott approaches the podium.)

 

      12             MR. SLOTT:  This was unanimously rejected

 

      13        by the Planning Commission.  They recognized

 

      14        that this was very difficult to enforce.  You're

 

      15        dealing with an ordinance, it's trying to

 

      16        micromanage vehicular traffic on -- at one

 

      17        particular street.

 

      18             Traffic is driven by land usage.  If the

 

      19        zoning is residential, you're not going to have

 

      20        18-wheelers traveling down through residential

 

      21        sections.  It doesn't do anything for them.

 

      22             On the other hand, there is some commercial

 

      23        activity on this street.  There is an IL use

 

      24        there.  There is a sewer system way down at --

 

      25        toward the end of the -- need to be serviced and

 

 

 

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       1        so forth, and you will have an enforcement

 

       2        nightmare.

 

       3             I would dare say you'd have to put up

 

       4        signage that you'd have to literally stop and

 

       5        get out of the truck to read all of the

 

       6        restrictions of how a truck -- under what

 

       7        circumstances a truck or a commercial vehicle

 

       8        could go down this particular street.

 

       9             This is not a good precedent to undertake

 

      10        when you are trying to micromanage this type of

 

      11        vehicular traffic on specific streets in

 

      12        Jacksonville.

 

      13             Now, it's one thing if the construction of

 

      14        the street is such that it won't hold a

 

      15        particular weight vehicle.  We're all familiar

 

      16        with that.  But to do otherwise, as is proposed

 

      17        in this bill, is not a good precedent at all.

 

      18        And I, on behalf of my clients, would ask you to

 

      19        vote against this.

 

      20             Thank you.

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Slott.

 

      22             Any questions from the committee?

 

      23             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  Our next speaker is Barbara

 

      25        Broward.

 

 

 

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       1             (Ms. Broward approaches the podium.)

 

       2             MS. BROWARD:  My name is Barbara Broward,

 

       3        717 Cedar Bay Road.

 

       4             This particular ordinance addresses what

 

       5        was originally given to us in 1968, which made

 

       6        and declared Cedar Bay Road a residential road.

 

       7        The reason for this is when the airport was

 

       8        sold, it was sold to industry.  As I stated, the

 

       9        residents were very concerned about commercial

 

      10        traffic coming onto the road because there was a

 

      11        sewer plant that was built directly after this

 

      12        piece of the property was sold.

 

      13             This particular ordinance that -- this --

 

      14        this particular piece of legislature [sic] that

 

      15        took place -- it was a resolution in 1968 --

 

      16        addresses the fact that Cedar Bay Road was to be

 

      17        maintained always a residential road, with all

 

      18        roads going from commercialism into the

 

      19        industrial park.  Since it was designated a

 

      20        residential road, it was my understanding that

 

      21        that road could only handle a certain type of

 

      22        traffic.  It has been maintained residential

 

      23        only until recently when the piece of property

 

      24        was sold, administratively rezoned, and we now

 

      25        have heavy traffic coming up and down a piece of

 

 

 

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       1        road.  And I will tell you, our road is already

 

       2        beginning to become damaged.  I don't know what

 

       3        weight limit there may be there, but we already

 

       4        have problems because of this.

 

       5             So this particular piece of legislature

 

       6        [sic], this ordinance will address and uphold

 

       7        what was originally taken place, entered into

 

       8        with the City of Jacksonville -- and Mayor Hans

 

       9        Tanzler resided [sic] over that meeting, that

 

      10        public meeting in 1968, and I hope that you will

 

      11        continue to uphold our residential property.

 

      12             Thank you.

 

      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Ms. Broward.

 

      14             Any questions from the committee?

 

      15             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Mr. Peavy,

 

      17        you're next.

 

      18             (Mr. Peavy approaches the podium.)

 

      19             MR. PEAVY:  John Peavy, 1755 Cedar Bay.

 

      20             I know we're all getting tired and

 

      21        sometimes it's difficult to understand what's

 

      22        going on.

 

      23             The commercial traffic is -- when Webb park

 

      24        was built, no roads were to enter or exit from

 

      25        the industrial park from Cedar Bay Road; in

 

 

 

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       1        other words, no commercial traffic on Cedar Bay

 

       2        Road.

 

       3             Yes, we do have a City-maintained treatment

 

       4        plant at the end of Cedar Bay Road.

 

       5        Occasionally, we have a couple of pickup trucks,

 

       6        flat beds and stuff like that that go back in

 

       7        there, but no consistent heavy traffic, but it

 

       8        is already telling on the road.

 

       9             Presently, they're replacing part of the

 

      10        force main that runs along that road because of

 

      11        increased demand on the road.  So we'd love to

 

      12        have it a residential road and keep it that way

 

      13        as it was given to us back in '68.

 

      14             Thank you.

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Peavy.

 

      16             Any questions from the committee?

 

      17             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  And our final speaker is

 

      19        Andre Ferreira.

 

      20             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  Am I pronouncing your name

 

      22        correctly, sir?

 

      23             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Yes.  Thank you.

 

      24             My name is Andre Ferreira, 10861 Peaceful

 

      25        Harbor Drive, Jacksonville, Florida 32218.

 

 

 

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       1             I am a resident in the Bay Harbor

 

       2        community, directly across from the property of

 

       3        Mr. Val Bostwick.

 

       4             It amazes me how many decisions can be made

 

       5        affecting the neighborhoods of Jacksonville by

 

       6        people who have never stepped foot in these

 

       7        communities.

 

       8             I'm a native and retired educator of 34

 

       9        years in the Duval County public school system.

 

      10             We built in the Bay Harbor area over a year

 

      11        ago and what I thought was to be a

 

      12        noncontroversial area but was disillusioned to

 

      13        think that this was the case.

 

      14             During the last meeting here that I

 

      15        attended, I heard a lawyer make a surreal

 

      16        statement that Cedar Bay Road should be

 

      17        considered an industrial community because of

 

      18        the already existing bar and trailer

 

      19        businesses.  These businesses are, in fact, on

 

      20        the corner lots facing Main Street with Main

 

      21        Street addresses as displayed in your local

 

      22        phone books and website pages, not facing Cedar

 

      23        Bay Road as he suggested.

 

      24             As you turn going eastward on Cedar Bay

 

      25        Road, you will first come to a waterfront

 

 

 

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       1        community of Bay Harbor, where I reside, on the

 

       2        north side of the road.  Our community was

 

       3        officially incorporated September 23rd, 1994,

 

       4        having established covenants and deed

 

       5        restrictions.  One of the deed restrictions

 

       6        requires the size of the home being constructed

 

       7        to be at least 2,450 square feet in size.  There

 

       8        are presently 26 homes with nine half-acre

 

       9        vacant lots in the Bay Harbor community.

 

      10             Peaceful Harbor Drive extends northward to

 

      11        dead end into Schooner Key Place on beautiful

 

      12        Broward River.

 

      13             Going back now, as you travel further

 

      14        eastward down Cedar Bay Road, you will notice

 

      15        the huge residential developmental project on

 

      16        the north side of the street.  From what I

 

      17        gather, it can be slated -- it has been slated

 

      18        and allowed to have up to approximately

 

      19        200 units to be constructed.

 

      20             This, with the already existing homes on

 

      21        Cedar Bay Road, will have a definite effect and

 

      22        impact on traffic in our community.

 

      23             Just about every day I witness a huge

 

      24        18-wheeler truck going down to where one

 

      25        business -- that was allowed to be built on the

 

 

 

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       1        south side of Cedar Bay Road.

 

       2             With all the established residential sites

 

       3        on Cedar Bay Road, I ask, why would anyone

 

       4        reasonably vote to include or maintain

 

       5        industrial traffic in an area that will soon

 

       6        provide a school bus route or a possible

 

       7        magnitude of children?

 

       8             In closing, I urge you to maintain Cedar

 

       9        Bay Road as an absolute residential road rather

 

      10        than the industrial one.

 

      11             Thank you.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, sir.

 

      13             Any questions for Mr. Ferreira?

 

      14             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  That's the last

 

      16        speaker card.

 

      17             Anybody else care to address the

 

      18        committee?

 

      19             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing no one,

 

      21        the public hearing is closed.

 

      22             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill.

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion on the bill by

 

      24        Mr. Joost -- I'm sorry, we've got the amendment,

 

      25        right?

 

 

 

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       1             MR. REINGOLD:  Yes.

 

       2             The question for the committee is, would

 

       3        you like the amended version or would you like

 

       4        the original version that was included as part

 

       5        of the text?

 

       6             MR. JOOST:  Move the amendment.

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  Do we have an amended

 

       8        version?

 

       9             MR. REINGOLD:  What I read to the committee

 

      10        at the beginning was sort of just amended text

 

      11        language.

 

      12             The original language was that, "Access for

 

      13        heavy trucks shall be prohibited on Cedar Bay

 

      14        Road, a dead-end, local road, that primarily

 

      15        serves residential uses."  The amendment

 

      16        essentially would be that the exhibit be changed

 

      17        to read that, "New development along Cedar Bay

 

      18        Road, a residential, dead-end street, shall not

 

      19        generate industrial traffic."

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion on the amendment --

 

      21             MR. JOOST:  Yes.

 

      22             MR. BISHOP:  Second.

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  -- by Mr. Joost, second by

 

      24        Mr. Bishop.

 

      25             Any discussion?

 

 

 

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       1             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  All those in favor say yes.

 

       3             Oh, you have discussion.  I'm sorry.

 

       4             Mr. Joost.

 

       5             MR. JOOST:  I guess on the amendment, the

 

       6        language is a little better because my concern

 

       7        was -- if I'm not mistaken -- do 18-wheelers

 

       8        currently deliver to the warehouse that was

 

       9        developed?

 

      10             MR. HOLT:  Yes.

 

      11             MR. JOOST:  So if we went with the original

 

      12        language, I mean, basically, wouldn't that

 

      13        constitute a taking because you'd be shutting

 

      14        down the warehouse essentially, they couldn't

 

      15        have deliveries?

 

      16             MR. REINGOLD:  I think that's one of the

 

      17        issues.  Another one is simply, as Mr. Slott

 

      18        stated, it's harder to focus on regulating the

 

      19        road.  It's much easier for us, under the comp

 

      20        plan, to regulate the properties next to the

 

      21        road, and that's what this language does.

 

      22             MR. JOOST:  So we're much safer just saying

 

      23        further development shall not generate

 

      24        industrial traffic?

 

      25             MR. REINGOLD:  And that's exactly what this

 

 

 

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       1        does.

 

       2             MR. JOOST:  Okay.  Thank you.

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Thank you, Mr. Joost.

 

       4             Mr. Brown.

 

       5             MR. D. BROWN:  I think it's understandable

 

       6        that these folks would want to put some

 

       7        restrictions on their road, and I -- I think

 

       8        we're kind of half baked in a way because I --

 

       9        we don't have any transportation folks to tell

 

      10        us what the alternatives are.  I mean, are we --

 

      11        there's bound to be an occasional truck or

 

      12        something.  I don't know how you actually

 

      13        enforce it, and I'd love to hear either from

 

      14        the -- Public Works or somebody who would tell

 

      15        us how you -- what kind of signage you'd put up

 

      16        and what the alternate is to reach a destination

 

      17        they may need to get to.

 

      18             I feel like we aren't well-equipped on this

 

      19        in terms of information.  I'm a little concerned

 

      20        about supporting what we have here, but I -- you

 

      21        know, a deferral might be useful.

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Brown.

 

      23             I have -- did you want to ask a question of

 

      24        anybody?  Are you okay with Mr. Holt responding

 

      25        to that?

 

 

 

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       1             MR. D. BROWN:  Well, I just -- it looked

 

       2        like that's information we don't have available

 

       3        or -- or do we -- do we have the involvement of

 

       4        either the Transportation Authority, Public

 

       5        Works Department, or whoever would maintain that

 

       6        road or govern that road as -- how do we handle

 

       7        that?

 

       8             MR. CROFTS:  Well, I mean, it's not within

 

       9        the purview of the Planning and Development

 

      10        Department.  That's all I can tell you, so -- so

 

      11        we don't have expertise to -- you know, to

 

      12        provide you guidance in that area.

 

      13             I will tell you, just as an editorial and

 

      14        an additional comment, that if we defer this

 

      15        bill, it is, in effect -- kill the legislation

 

      16        from moving forward because it is in the

 

      17        adoption of a semiannual land use amendment, a

 

      18        text amendment to the comp plan.

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Crofts.

 

      20             Anything else, Mr. Brown?

 

      21             MR. D. BROWN:  No.

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Reingold, you can take a

 

      23        stab at it.

 

      24             MR. REINGOLD:  To Councilmember Brown, I

 

      25        definitely hear what you're saying in terms of

 

 

 

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       1        Public Works input and the like, and I think

 

       2        that's where we were going with the amendment,

 

       3        was instead of saying we can't have industrial

 

       4        trucks on this road and, therefore, Public

 

       5        Works, is this a road that adequately can handle

 

       6        industrial traffic?  It actually changes the

 

       7        focus more on the types of land uses that would

 

       8        be on the properties next to the road.

 

       9             So instead -- if you've got a piece of

 

      10        property next to the -- abutting this road, you

 

      11        can't generate industrial-type traffic that

 

      12        exits onto the road, instead of saying

 

      13        industrial traffic, you can't go down the road.

 

      14        Therefore, it's easier to enforce from our

 

      15        perspective and sort of gets away from the

 

      16        aspect of focusing on the road.

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Reingold.

 

      18             Mr. Brown.

 

      19             MR. REINGOLD:  Sorry.  As Mr. Kelly said,

 

      20        for new development.

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Brown.

 

      22             MR. D. BROWN:  (Inaudible.)

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  Anything else, Mr. Brown?

 

      24        Anything else?

 

      25             MR. D. BROWN:  (No response.)

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  Anything else?  You're

 

       2        done?

 

       3             MR. D. BROWN:  No.  Thank you.

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Mr. Redman.

 

       5             MR. REDMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

 

       6             I understand the community's desire to keep

 

       7        these 18-wheelers off of the road.  That is a

 

       8        real problem.  I know in my district I have a

 

       9        road with a sign up with a picture of an

 

      10        18-wheeler, that it can't go down there, and I

 

      11        see them go down there, many of them, every

 

      12        day.

 

      13             So, you know, I have a problem with

 

      14        ordinances that we pass that we cannot enforce,

 

      15        and so that's, you know -- and evidently there

 

      16        was legislation to this years ago.  So, you

 

      17        know, as it stands, it's against the law for

 

      18        the -- you know, the way I understand it, it was

 

      19        an ordinance previous, right?  So it's -- should

 

      20        be against the law now, so we'd just be

 

      21        duplicating an ordinance that's already been

 

      22        passed.

 

      23             But it's something that cannot be enforced,

 

      24        and we have a lot of ordinances like that now,

 

      25        that all you do is teach people that it's all

 

 

 

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       1        right to break the law when we pass ordinances

 

       2        that you can't enforce.

 

       3             Thank you.

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Redman.

 

       5             Mr. Reingold, I want to be clear now.  The

 

       6        amendment doesn't prohibit the traffic going

 

       7        down the street; it prohibits development that

 

       8        would encourage or generate the traffic, right?

 

       9             MR. REINGOLD:  That is correct, sir.

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  I just want to make sure.

 

      11             All right.  Mr. Holt and then Mr. Joost.

 

      12             MR. HOLT:  Thank you, Mr. Chair.

 

      13             And to speak to Mr. Redman's concern and

 

      14        Mr. Brown's concern, nothing that we are passing

 

      15        here will create a situation where we have to

 

      16        enforce traffic laws.  We won't need to involve

 

      17        JSO.  We won't need to even worry about what the

 

      18        traffic is that's coming down there from current

 

      19        properties.

 

      20             All this does is, it says from now on any

 

      21        new development that we are voting on for

 

      22        rezonings, land use issues, we will remember

 

      23        that on Cedar Bay Road we are not supposed to

 

      24        approve anything that's going to create heavy

 

      25        traffic.  So we are not -- we're not creating a

 

 

 

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       1        law here that forces us to check on the traffic

 

       2        coming down the road and cite someone coming

 

       3        down the road in a truck.  That's not what we're

 

       4        going to be enforcing.  What we will be doing

 

       5        here is to set a new standard for the road that

 

       6        any future rezonings have to comply with this.

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Joost.

 

       8             Obviously, if somebody sells their house

 

       9        and needs to move, it's going to allow a moving

 

      10        van to come down the truck [sic] and load up the

 

      11        furniture and make a return visit back out to

 

      12        wherever it needs to go to deliver the furniture

 

      13        to their home.  It's just going to prevent

 

      14        somebody from doing something that's going to

 

      15        generate specific truck traffic to the site.

 

      16             Mr. Joost.

 

      17             MR. JOOST:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

 

      18             When we did the zoning -- I mean, the whole

 

      19        thing is a mess because the maps changed and

 

      20        then they changed it administratively and then

 

      21        the folks find out there's a warehouse.  So

 

      22        there were a lot of mistakes made over the

 

      23        years, if you will.

 

      24             I think, by changing the zoning, we fix the

 

      25        problem because there's not going to be any

 

 

 

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       1        reason for a truck to go down that road if it's

 

       2        all residential.

 

       3             Now, I guess the question I have in my

 

       4        mind, if for some unforeseen reason in the

 

       5        future the gentleman is able to sell the

 

       6        property to a residential development and there

 

       7        are construction trucks going down the road,

 

       8        have we violated the law at that time?

 

       9             Because he's created a purpose, even though

 

      10        it's temporary in nature, where you could have

 

      11        dump trucks or whatever coming in, you know, to

 

      12        get the pads ready.  Sometimes we -- you know,

 

      13        we want the houses a little elevated and

 

      14        whatnot, delivery trucks, lumber trucks.  I just

 

      15        feel like we're overstepping our bounds.

 

      16             MR. HOLT:  (Inaudible.)

 

      17             MR. JOOST:  You know, I don't know.

 

      18             I mean, by fixing the zoning, there's not

 

      19        going to be any need for an industrial truck to

 

      20        go down the road anyway.  And, like Mr. Redman

 

      21        said, the law is already on the books, so, I

 

      22        mean, we're just duplicating something we can't

 

      23        enforce anyway, so I don't think I can support

 

      24        it.

 

      25             Thank you.

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Holt.

 

       2             MR. HOLT:  I will say that this is also

 

       3        something -- this isn't just to address the

 

       4        properties that we just rezoned.  This is for

 

       5        the rest of the property down the road, and it's

 

       6        something that I have worked with Mr. Webb --

 

       7        Dan Webb on to address an issue that he had, and

 

       8        that is that he doesn't -- he did not want truck

 

       9        traffic coming down Cedar Bay Road to enter his

 

      10        property on some of the -- the properties down

 

      11        the road.  So we're addressing concerns of the

 

      12        industrial user down the road that -- he does

 

      13        not want property [sic] coming off of Cedar Bay

 

      14        Road, causing complaints for his properties.

 

      15             So it's more than just these three

 

      16        properties that we're talking about.  We're

 

      17        talking about the future of Cedar Bay Road

 

      18        traffic and what future properties will create.

 

      19             And I'm fine to put in something that would

 

      20        say "daily" heavy truck traffic so that it would

 

      21        give somebody -- give us a comfort level that

 

      22        we're not preventing someone from having a

 

      23        construction truck come to deliver concrete or a

 

      24        moving truck or something like that, and I would

 

      25        propose that as an amendment if it would make

 

 

 

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       1        Mr. Joost more comfortable.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Holt is offering an

 

       3        amendment to the amendment.

 

       4             Is there a second?

 

       5             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Holt, I'm sorry, but

 

       7        your amendment to the amendment dies for the

 

       8        lack of a second.

 

       9             All right.  We're on the original

 

      10        amendment.

 

      11             MR. JOOST:  (Inaudible.)

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  Sure.  Mr. Holt [sic].

 

      13             MR. JOOST:  I guess -- is this a City road,

 

      14        a State road, or --

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  City.

 

      16             MR. JOOST:  So it's under our -- we're able

 

      17        to regulate it?  We don't have to go to FDOT or

 

      18        ask anybody's permission?

 

      19             MR. KELLY:  (Shakes head.)

 

      20             MR. JOOST:  I guess to the Planning

 

      21        Department or legal, have we ever done a

 

      22        precedent like this before?

 

      23             MR. REINGOLD:  I think the item after this

 

      24        actually is another example of where we're

 

      25        regulating a road.  In fact, it's actually at

 

 

 

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       1        the request of the citizens on that street.

 

       2        That's another example.  I'm not aware of any

 

       3        others off the top of my head.

 

       4             MR. KELLY:  I'm not aware of any time the

 

       5        City before had basically regulated the public

 

       6        right-of-way and what vehicles could or could

 

       7        not go in the public right-of-way.

 

       8             MR. REINGOLD:  And I think -- I'm sort of

 

       9        overhearing Mr. Killingsworth --

 

      10             MR. JOOST:  I'm just saying what kind of

 

      11        vehicles can go on a particular road, have we

 

      12        ever done that, is -- I guess is a better, more

 

      13        specific question.

 

      14             MR. KELLY:  Like a little bridge or

 

      15        something that you see on a local road where it

 

      16        can't handle -- if it's a five-ton bridge or a

 

      17        ten-ton bridge and there's certain restrictions,

 

      18        I'm sure that's the case through the traffic

 

      19        engineer's office that they just, you know,

 

      20        prohibit through a sign.  I don't know if they

 

      21        physically, because it's a public right-of-way,

 

      22        would --

 

      23             MR. JOOST:  So other than -- in danger of a

 

      24        bridge collapsing for the public's safety, are

 

      25        you aware of any regulations that specify what

 

 

 

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       1        kind of traffic can use a road?

 

       2             And it -- you know, all it says is the

 

       3        tonnage limit.  It still doesn't say an

 

       4        18-wheeler can't go over that particular

 

       5        bridge.  It just can't weigh a certain amount.

 

       6             MR. KILLINGSWORTH:  Can I answer?

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Killingsworth, if you

 

       8        want to come to the podium --

 

       9             (Mr. Killingsworth approaches the podium.)

 

      10             MR. KILLINGSWORTH:  This amendment does not

 

      11        regulate the road --

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  You know what I'm going to

 

      13        ask you --

 

      14             MR. KILLINGSWORTH:  Excuse me.

 

      15             Bill Killingsworth, director of Planning

 

      16        and Development, City of Jacksonville.

 

      17             This amendment does not regulate the road.

 

      18        What it does is regulate new development along

 

      19        the road.  So the way it's enforced -- we don't

 

      20        enforce the road.  What we enforce is -- if a

 

      21        development -- if an application comes through

 

      22        that requests an industrial land use or zoning,

 

      23        the department would be in a position, we'd be

 

      24        forced to recommend denial.  Council would be in

 

      25        a position, that if they recommended approval,

 

 

 

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       1        they would be violating the comp plan and it

 

       2        would be subject to a challenge.

 

       3             So that's the --

 

       4             MR. JOOST:  Well, let me ask you this

 

       5        because basically all -- what's happened is over

 

       6        time each piece down the road has been

 

       7        downgraded, if you will, to residential to

 

       8        create the buffer for the residents.  I mean,

 

       9        with ten votes you can overturn anything, can't

 

      10        you?

 

      11             MR. KILLINGSWORTH:  Well, yes.

 

      12             All this really does is it makes it more

 

      13        difficult.  What would have to happen first

 

      14        would be, to be consistent, is council would

 

      15        have to remove the policy from the comp plan.

 

      16        That is about a nine-month process because this

 

      17        would -- it would be a semiannual amendment.  So

 

      18        it makes the task more difficult.  It doesn't

 

      19        make it impossible, but it makes it more

 

      20        difficult.

 

      21             MR. JOOST:  Okay.  Thank you.

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Joost.

 

      23             It's late, so maybe the committee members

 

      24        will allow me to do a little debating from the

 

      25        chair, but I really see this as a -- as just

 

 

 

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       1        kind of a reinforcement of the zoning.  It's not

 

       2        going to preclude the existing truck traffic

 

       3        from going to the industrial site.  That's going

 

       4        to continue.  It's just going to regulate the

 

       5        future uses of the undeveloped properties that

 

       6        are contiguous to the street, and I -- I mean, I

 

       7        just don't -- I think it's a reinforcement of

 

       8        what we've already done.  It just codifies it in

 

       9        a different place in the comp plan, so --

 

      10        Mr. Bishop.

 

      11             MR. BISHOP:  I think Mr. Killingsworth and

 

      12        yourself have covered what I was going to say.

 

      13             Thank you.

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  Sorry about that,

 

      15        Mr. Bishop.

 

      16             Mr. Brown.

 

      17             MR. D. BROWN:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

 

      18             I move that we defer this until we gather a

 

      19        little more information.  This seems like a

 

      20        precedent that a lot of folks would jump on all

 

      21        parts of town, and -- and we have everything --

 

      22        we've got the folks that regulate land use, but

 

      23        we don't have anybody to give us a little input

 

      24        from the transportation angle, but my -- my

 

      25        motion is to defer it, not to vote against it,

 

 

 

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       1        but to defer until we have more information.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  We have an amendment on the

 

       3        floor to amend the bill.  You're offering a

 

       4        substitute amendment.  Is there a second to

 

       5        Mr. Brown's --

 

       6             MR. REDMAN:  Second.

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  Second by Mr. Redman on the

 

       8        substitute amendment to defer.

 

       9             Any discussion?

 

      10             MR. CROFTS:  Mr. Chairman.

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  Yes.

 

      12             MR. CROFTS:  If you defer this legislation,

 

      13        which is a semiannual amendment, you either

 

      14        adopt or deny or you amend the bill.  If you

 

      15        defer it, you're essentially killing the

 

      16        legislation and will have to start over --

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Crofts.

 

      18             You said that earlier, but, I mean,

 

      19        procedure is procedure.  There's a motion and a

 

      20        second, so I have to recognize that.

 

      21             All right.  Discussion on the motion to

 

      22        defer?

 

      23             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  If there's no

 

      25        discussion, all those in favor say yes.

 

 

 

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       1             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Yes.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Opposed say no.

 

       3             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  No.

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  Show of hands, please.

 

       5             In favor say yes.

 

       6             MR. D. BROWN:  (Indicating.)

 

       7             MR. REDMAN:  (Indicating.)

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  Opposed say no.

 

       9             (Indicating.)

 

      10             MR. JOOST:  (Indicating.)

 

      11             MR. HOLT:  (Indicating.)

 

      12             MR. BISHOP:  (Indicating.)

 

      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  The motion fails.

 

      14             We are on the original motion, and I can't

 

      15        remember who made that, but that was to add the

 

      16        extra language in that Mr. Reingold suggested.

 

      17             Any further discussion on the original

 

      18        amendment?

 

      19             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  All those in favor say yes.

 

      21             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Yes.

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  Opposed say no.

 

      23             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  By our action, you've

 

      25        adopted the amendment.

 

 

 

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       1             MR. BISHOP:  Move the bill as amended.

 

       2             MR. HOLT:  Second.

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  On the bill as amended,

 

       4        motion by Mr. Bishop, I believe, second by

 

       5        Mr. Holt.

 

       6             Any further discussion on the bill as

 

       7        amended?

 

       8             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  If not, open the ballot,

 

      10        vote.

 

      11             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      12             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

      13             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      14             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

      15             MR. D. BROWN:  (Votes nay.)

 

      16             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      17             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      18             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      19             MS. LAHMEUR:  Five yeas, one nay.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you have

 

      21        approved item 48, 2010-658, as amended.

 

      22             Item 49, I have one speaker's card.

 

      23             Mr. Crofts.

 

      24             MR. CROFTS:  Mr. Chairman, members of the

 

      25        committee, ordinance 2010-659 is a proposed text

 

 

 

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       1        amendment to the transportation element of the

 

       2        2030 Comprehensive Plan that ensures that local

 

       3        roads that are primarily residential in nature

 

       4        but connect to two other roadways that are

 

       5        classified as a minor arterial or higher on the

 

       6        functional highway classification map, which is

 

       7        a part of the comprehensive plan -- I have a

 

       8        copy here of all the road networks in the city,

 

       9        but essentially it covers that -- all those

 

      10        roads that are in the city, including the local

 

      11        minor arterials and above.

 

      12             But anyway, this prevents any -- physically

 

      13        widening of these particular local roads or

 

      14        their parking areas unless a majority of the

 

      15        property owners along the local road request

 

      16        such a change to the City.

 

      17             The first street identified for this change

 

      18        is River Oaks Road, which was a by-product of

 

      19        our negotiations with the development known as

 

      20        Jackson Square, which was previously approved by

 

      21        this council several months ago.

 

      22             In our opinion, this is a safeguard.  This

 

      23        is a Planning Department recommendation, text

 

      24        amendment.  It is a safeguard to further protect

 

      25        the integrity of our neighborhoods, and staff

 

 

 

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       1        recommends approval.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Crofts.

 

       3             We have a public hearing scheduled this

 

       4        evening.  I have one speaker's card, Alison

 

       5        Abernathy.

 

       6             I'm guessing that must be you?

 

       7             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  (Nods head.)

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  Would you like to come down

 

       9        and speak to the committee?

 

      10             MS. ABERNATHY:  Just for questions.

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  You've been here all night.

 

      12        Come on down.

 

      13             MS. ABERNATHY:  Do I get a prize?

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  No.

 

      15             MS. ABERNATHY:  I'll answer questions if

 

      16        you have any.

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  You sat in that seat all

 

      18        night.  You don't care to address the

 

      19        committee?

 

      20             MS. ABERNATHY:  No.  If you have

 

      21        questions --

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing no one

 

      23        else in the audience, that public hearing is

 

      24        closed.

 

      25             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill.

 

 

 

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       1             MR. BISHOP:  Second.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion on the bill by

 

       3        Mr. Joost, second by Mr. Bishop.

 

       4             Discussion?

 

       5             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  If not, open the ballot.

 

       7             I'm sorry.  Mr. Bishop, I didn't see you.

 

       8             MR. BISHOP:  All I wanted to say is whoever

 

       9        came up with this ought to get a metal.

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  A metal.  Okay.

 

      11             MR. CROFTS:  Appreciate it.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  Are we still open?

 

      13             MS. LAHMEUR:  Yes.

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Vote, please.

 

      15             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      16             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

      17             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      18             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

      19             MR. D. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      20             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      21             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      22             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      23             MS. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nay.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

      25        approved item 49, 2010-659.

 

 

 

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       1             The remaining items on that page, item 46,

 

       2        2010-656, is deferred; item 47, 2010-657, is

 

       3        deferred; and the item at the bottom of the

 

       4        page, 2010-670, is deferred at the request of

 

       5        the district councilperson.

 

       6             On page 15, all items are second and

 

       7        rereferred.

 

       8             And that takes us back to the last two,

 

       9        page 9, item 29.  It's the last one on the page,

 

      10        2010-595.  I have a public hearing scheduled

 

      11        this evening.  We'll take no action on the

 

      12        bill.

 

      13             The public hearing is open.  Seeing no one

 

      14        in the audience, the public hearing is continued

 

      15        until September 21st, and that bill is

 

      16        deferred.

 

      17             And then item 30 at the top page 10, the

 

      18        same thing.  We have a public hearing scheduled.

 

      19             The public hearing is open.  Seeing no one

 

      20        in the audience, no speakers' cards, the public

 

      21        hearing is continued to September 21st, and

 

      22        there's no other action.  That bill is deferred.

 

      23             And I think -- Mr. Reingold, did we get

 

      24        everything?

 

      25             MR. REINGOLD:  Yes, sir.

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Well, Mr. Brown, we

 

       2        had an hour meeting last time.  You weren't

 

       3        here.  Tonight it's been five hours and twenty

 

       4        minutes.  I'm not saying anything more than

 

       5        that, but --

 

       6             MR. D. BROWN:  (Inaudible.)

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  You can change that, right?

 

       8             MR. D. BROWN:  We're way up past

 

       9        Mr. Redman's bedtime.

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  I appreciate everybody

 

      11        sticking it out for the evening.

 

      12             Anything else to come before the

 

      13        committee?

 

      14             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      15             STAFF MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you all for attending

 

      17        and for being diligent.

 

      18             And, Ms. Tropia, thank you, staff, and

 

      19        we'll see you in two weeks.

 

      20             This meeting is adjourned.

 

      21             (The above proceedings were adjourned at

 

      22        10:18 p.m.)

 

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       3   STATE OF FLORIDA:

 

       4   COUNTY OF DUVAL :

 

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       6             I, Diane M. Tropia, certify that I was

 

       7   authorized to and did stenographically report the

 

       8   foregoing proceedings and that the transcript is a

 

       9   true and complete record of my stenographic notes.

 

      10             Dated this 12th day of September, 2010.

 

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