1                    CITY OF JACKSONVILLE

 

       2                    LAND USE AND ZONING

 

       3                         COMMITTEE

 

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       6             Proceedings held on Tuesday, July 20, 2010,

 

       7   commencing at 5:00 p.m., City Hall, Council Chambers,

 

       8   1st Floor, Jacksonville, Florida, before Diane M.

 

       9   Tropia, a Notary Public in and for the State of

 

      10   Florida at Large.

 

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      12   PRESENT:

 

      13        JOHN CRESCIMBENI, Chair.

                RAY HOLT, Vice Chair.

      14        WILLIAM BISHOP, Committee Member.

                DON REDMAN, Committee Member.

      15        STEPHEN JOOST, Committee Member.

 

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           ALSO PRESENT:

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                JOHN CROFTS, Deputy Director, Planning Dept.

      18        SEAN KELLY, Chief, Current Planning.

                FOLKS HUXFORD, Zoning Administrator.

      19        KEN AVERY, Planning and Development Dept.

                DYLAN REINGOLD, Office of General Counsel.

      20        MERRIANE LAHMEUR, Legislative Assistant.

                SHARONDA DAVIS, Legislative Assistant.

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           Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203


 

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       1                   P R O C E E D I N G S

 

       2   July 20, 2010                           5:00 p.m.

 

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       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  We're going to call

 

       5        the July 20th meeting of the Land Use and Zoning

 

       6        Committee to order.

 

       7             I'm the new Chair of the committee,

 

       8        Councilman John Crescimbeni.

 

       9             In attendance tonight we have

 

      10        Councilmen Bishop, Redman, and Vice Chair Holt

 

      11        are with us.  Also, Council President Jack Webb

 

      12        is here.  Our other two council members will

 

      13        join us, I think, in progress.

 

      14             We have, representing the Planning

 

      15        Department, John Crofts, Sean Kelly, Ken Avery.

 

      16        Folks Huxford is going to join us in progress, I

 

      17        think.  And our Office of General Counsel is

 

      18        Dylan Reingold.

 

      19             (Mr. Joost enters the proceedings.)

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  And here is Councilman

 

      21        Stephen Joost.

 

      22             Mr. Webb.

 

      23             PRESIDENT WEBB:  Mr. Chairman, thank you

 

      24        very much.  I just wanted to stop by and say hi

 

      25        to all the other -- all the other committees and

 

 

 

            Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203


 

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       1        wish the chairman and the vice chairman well in

 

       2        their endeavors in the coming year.

 

       3             I appreciate your dedication and your

 

       4        passion for this particular area of -- of

 

       5        government, and I know you're going to do a fine

 

       6        job.  And I applaud, once again, the commitment

 

       7        of every one of the committee and --

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  (Inaudible.)

 

       9             PRESIDENT WEBB:  Exactly.  Spread it around

 

      10        a little bit.

 

      11             And I wish you luck.  So God bless, and

 

      12        work hard, and I know you will.

 

      13             I do have one item on the agenda I wonder

 

      14        if we might take up.

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  We can, but we have a

 

      16        statement that the --

 

      17             PRESIDENT WEBB:  Perfect.

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  -- that the Office of

 

      19        General Counsel is going to read into the

 

      20        record.

 

      21             Mr. Reingold, if you'll do that, and then

 

      22        we'll take up item 7.

 

      23             MR. REINGOLD:  Absolutely.

 

      24             To the Chair and to the committee and to

 

      25        the audience, anyone who would like to address

 

 

 

            Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203


 

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       1        the committee must fill out a yellow speaker's

 

       2        card in its entirety.  The yellow speaker's

 

       3        cards are located on the desk up front, near the

 

       4        podium.  Once completed, please return the

 

       5        speaker's card to the basket on the front desk.

 

       6             Any person who lobbies the City for

 

       7        compensation is considered a lobbyist and is

 

       8        therefore required to register their lobbying

 

       9        activity with the City Council secretary.  If

 

      10        you are a lobbyist and have not registered with

 

      11        the City Council secretary, you will not be

 

      12        permitted to address the committee.

 

      13             Because a verbatim transcript of this

 

      14        meeting will be prepared by a court reporter, it

 

      15        is important that you speak clearly into the

 

      16        microphone when you address the committee.  It's

 

      17        also important that only one person speak at one

 

      18        time.

 

      19             Any tangible material submitted with a

 

      20        speaker's presentation, such as documents,

 

      21        photographs, plans, drawings, et cetera, shall

 

      22        become a permanent part of the public record and

 

      23        will be retained by this committee.

 

      24             As a courtesy, please switch any cell

 

      25        phones, pagers, or audible devices to a silent

 

 

 

            Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203


 

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       1        mode.

 

       2             Additionally, there shall be no public

 

       3        displays of support or opposition, so please

 

       4        refrain from applause or speaking out of turn.

 

       5             Items are generally addressed in the order

 

       6        in which they are listed on the agenda.  Copies

 

       7        of the agenda are located on the desk up front,

 

       8        near the podium.

 

       9             On occasion, items may be heard out of

 

      10        order for the sake of efficiency or to

 

      11        accommodate scheduling conflicts.

 

      12             Unless there's a formal hearing on a

 

      13        particular item, each member of the public is

 

      14        limited to a single three-minute presentation;

 

      15        therefore, presentations should be focused,

 

      16        concise, and address only the item pending

 

      17        before the committee.

 

      18             Prior to addressing the committee, please

 

      19        state your name and address for the court

 

      20        reporter.

 

      21             Decisions on rezonings, including PUDs,

 

      22        waivers of road frontage, sign waivers and

 

      23        appeals, are all considered quasi-judicial in

 

      24        nature and certain protocols will be followed

 

      25        for these proceedings.

 

 

 

           Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203


 

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       1             First, each council member will disclose on

 

       2        the record any ex-parte communications they have

 

       3        had with any members of the public prior to the

 

       4        hearing on each applicable item.  This includes

 

       5        a brief statement of when the communication took

 

       6        place, who the communication was with, and what

 

       7        the subject matter of the -- and the subject

 

       8        matter of the communication was about.

 

       9             Second, the normal format is to allow the

 

      10        applicant or agent thereof to make their

 

      11        presentation first, followed by members of the

 

      12        public who wish to speak in support of the item,

 

      13        then members of the public who are in opposition

 

      14        will be allowed to speak.

 

      15             After all the public comments have been

 

      16        received, the applicant will have a brief

 

      17        opportunity to wrap up or present a brief

 

      18        rebuttal.  The wrap-up or rebuttal shall be

 

      19        limited to the issues brought up by the

 

      20        speakers.

 

      21             In some instances, the Chair may permit a

 

      22        concise surrebuttal or response to the

 

      23        applicant's rebuttal, which will be followed by

 

      24        a brief final response by the applicant.

 

      25             Finally, all quasi-judicial decisions must

 

 

 

            Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203


 

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       1        be based on substantial competent evidence,

 

       2        which means that the committee's decision must

 

       3        be supported by fact-based testimony or expert

 

       4        testimony and not generalized concerns or

 

       5        opinions.

 

       6             And I'll send it back to the Chair.

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Dylan --

 

       8        Mr. Reingold.

 

       9             So you heard Mr. Reingold state that on

 

      10        occasion we take things out of order, and that's

 

      11        the way we're going to begin this -- this year.

 

      12             So item 7, 2010-315, at the request of the

 

      13        Council President, who is visiting here.  This

 

      14        is a quasi-judicial matter, so we'll begin with

 

      15        a report from Mr. Kelly.

 

      16             I'm sorry.  Do we need ex-parte before or

 

      17        after the report?

 

      18             MR. REINGOLD:  Well, you could do it --

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Let's go ahead and

 

      20        hear the report and then we'll have a

 

      21        declaration of ex-parte.

 

      22             MR. KELLY:  Thank you.

 

      23             Through the chairman and to the committee

 

      24        members, ordinance 2010-315 is a request for a

 

      25        waiver of road frontage to allow for a lot split

 

 

 

            Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203


 

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       1        and a reduction in the frontage from 192 feet to

 

       2        129 feet.  That would be combined -- actually,

 

       3        one of the lots would not have any road frontage

 

       4        whatsoever.

 

       5             The department has reviewed this request.

 

       6        The subject property is located down on Mandarin

 

       7        Road, within the confines of the Mandarin Road

 

       8        overlay.  The department reviewed this for both

 

       9        consistency with the criteria, and the

 

      10        department finds that this request is not in

 

      11        spirit and in keeping with the intent of the

 

      12        Mandarin Road overlay.

 

      13             Additionally, the department finds that

 

      14        this request, in the location that it is, would

 

      15        set a negative precedent for the future

 

      16        development and requests in those areas, leading

 

      17        to similar requests that would ultimately have a

 

      18        detrimental effect on the area and the way it's

 

      19        developing.

 

      20             The properties along the west side of

 

      21        Mandarin Road, historically, are large,

 

      22        estate-size properties.  This request would

 

      23        alter that established development pattern and

 

      24        thereby creating a lot -- basically a riverfront

 

      25        estate lot with houses -- or with a house

 

 

 

           Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203


 

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       1        provided in front of it on a newly-created lot.

 

       2             Again, the department finds it to be

 

       3        inconsistent with the intent of the Mandarin

 

       4        Road overlay; in fact, that it negatively alters

 

       5        the established development pattern of the

 

       6        surrounding area; again, would lead to future

 

       7        similar requests ultimately being detrimental to

 

       8        the area, leading to a de facto subdivision

 

       9        without the sufficient improvements necessary

 

      10        and roadway pavement widths.

 

      11             And, additionally, the detriment to the

 

      12        health, safety and welfare.  The department

 

      13        feels that it would not be adequately accessed

 

      14        without the lack of an easement or addressed

 

      15        from Mandarin Road; it would be difficult to

 

      16        locate for 911 emergency responders, police,

 

      17        fire, health and safety.

 

      18             The department is, therefore, recommending

 

      19        denial of this request.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Kelly.

 

      21             Do any council members have any ex-parte

 

      22        communication to disclose?

 

      23             Council President Webb.

 

      24             PRESIDENT WEBB:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

 

      25             Over the course of the last weeks and

 

 

 

           Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203


 

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       1        months, I've had numerous conversations with a

 

       2        number of people on the merits of the

 

       3        application and some modifications thereto,

 

       4        including Judge Charles Arnold; David Hudson,

 

       5        who is a neighboring property owner; Mr. Paul

 

       6        Harden, who is an attorney for the -- for

 

       7        Mr. Hudson; T.R. Hainline, who is an attorney

 

       8        for the applicant, representative of the

 

       9        applicant; and most recently on the night of the

 

      10        council installation, I had a conversation with

 

      11        the applicant regarding this matter as well.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Webb.

 

      13             Anyone else?

 

      14             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Seeing no one, then

 

      16        the public hearing is open.

 

      17             I have one speaker's card, T.R. Hainline.

 

      18             (Mr. Hainline approaches the podium.)

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Hainline, if you'll give

 

      20        us your name and address for the record before

 

      21        we start your time.

 

      22             MR. HAINLINE:  Yes, sir.

 

      23             T.R. Hainline, 1301 Riverplace Boulevard.

 

      24             I have some information --

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  And you signed the card,

 

 

 

            Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203


 

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       1        correct?

 

       2             MR. HAINLINE:  Yes, sir.

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you.

 

       4             MR. HAINLINE:  I have some information

 

       5        there that I passed out.

 

       6             I want to say a couple of things at the

 

       7        outset.  We started out this matter working

 

       8        closely with the immediate neighbors, which

 

       9        would include Mr. Hudson, neighbors up and down

 

      10        the road, which would include Judge Arnold, and

 

      11        communicating also with the Mandarin Community

 

      12        Club.

 

      13             And we worked with them, and all of them

 

      14        support this application, so we have no

 

      15        opposition.  There has never been any opposition

 

      16        that has showed up.  And, to the contrary, we

 

      17        worked with them and they support this

 

      18        application.

 

      19             During our work with the neighbors, we

 

      20        agreed to two conditions, which is outside of

 

      21        the Planning Department's review.  I understand

 

      22        the Planning Department's recommendation.  I

 

      23        understand why they're recommending what they

 

      24        are.  We obviously disagree with some of their

 

      25        conclusions, and I'll go into that some.

 

 

 

            Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203


 

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       1             But the first thing I wanted to emphasize

 

       2        was our work with the neighbors, communications

 

       3        with the Mandarin Community Club, and our work

 

       4        with the district councilman, of course.

 

       5             This -- representing the applicant whose

 

       6        name is Buddy Wiggins, and we are -- he is

 

       7        seeking a waiver of the frontage from 192 feet

 

       8        to 129 feet.

 

       9             Mr. Wiggins -- as you can see on some of

 

      10        the maps that I passed out, Mr. Wiggins owns

 

      11        two -- what is now two lots there, one on the

 

      12        riverfront and one that runs out to Mandarin

 

      13        Road.  And what he did was -- not exactly being

 

      14        aware of what he could and couldn't do some

 

      15        months ago, Mr. Wiggins conveyed that waterfront

 

      16        lot to his daughter.  And it was after that that

 

      17        he learned that he didn't convey it in exactly

 

      18        the right way, so then we talked to him -- we

 

      19        met with the Planning Department actually and

 

      20        then met with the neighbors, decided to apply

 

      21        for this waiver.

 

      22             In our work with the neighbors, they asked

 

      23        us to, and we agreed, to two conditions.  One,

 

      24        we would agree to a 35-foot nonrevocable access

 

      25        easement benefiting the parcel on the

 

 

 

            Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203


 

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       1        waterfront.  That's an improvement over what

 

       2        exists now.  Right now there's a 20-foot-wide

 

       3        revocable easement, old, old, old easement on

 

       4        either side of the boundary along the southern

 

       5        side.  So what we're proposing with that

 

       6        condition is to improve the ability of that

 

       7        waterfront lot to have access currently and in

 

       8        the future.

 

       9             Secondly, we agreed that there would only

 

      10        be one principal residence on both of these two

 

      11        lots, the waterfront lot, and then the lot on

 

      12        Mandarin Road.

 

      13             Now, there is a guest house, a small guest

 

      14        house on the lot on Mandarin Road, and that

 

      15        could stay there.  But in addition to that,

 

      16        there can be one principal residence.  So that's

 

      17        two principal residences on a total of

 

      18        4.37 acres.  That's far below the maximum

 

      19        density in the Mandarin overlay.

 

      20             I see that my time is up.  I'll just say

 

      21        that we disagree that this is in any way

 

      22        inconsistent with the Mandarin overlay, given

 

      23        the fact that the Mandarin overlay permits one

 

      24        unit per acre, and here we have more than two

 

      25        units per acre -- I'm sorry -- more than two

 

 

 

            Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203


 

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       1        acres per unit resulting from this.

 

       2             The neighbors do not want what the Planning

 

       3        Department is saying should be the norm here,

 

       4        which is a platted, dedicated road and

 

       5        subdivision parcels.

 

       6             If you look at that last map of the

 

       7        handout, you will see that up and down Mandarin

 

       8        Road at this location -- I know Mr. Kelly said

 

       9        that it's large estate lots, but you'll also see

 

      10        that there have been several small subdivisions

 

      11        that have been created on these estate lots.

 

      12        There's one just to the north of us, there's

 

      13        another one to the south of us.

 

      14             What the neighbors do not want is another

 

      15        subdivision with an access road, a platted road

 

      16        or an improved private road serving that little

 

      17        subdivision.  They don't want a bunch of lots

 

      18        there.  They're happy with the little drive that

 

      19        leads back to this lot and with the two lots

 

      20        that are created.

 

      21             As I said, the neighbors and everyone

 

      22        supports it.  We've worked with everybody.

 

      23             Be happy to answer any questions.

 

      24             Thank you.

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Hainline.

 

 

 

            Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203


 

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       1             Any questions from the committee?

 

       2             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Anyone else in

 

       4        support of the item?

 

       5             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  Anybody to speak in

 

       7        opposition?

 

       8             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing no one,

 

      10        then the public hearing is closed.

 

      11             Is there a motion from -- Mr. Webb, did you

 

      12        want to --

 

      13             PRESIDENT WEBB:  I do want to entertain a

 

      14        motion to approve it.

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  Is there a motion from --

 

      16             MR. REDMAN:  I make a motion to approve it.

 

      17             MR. BISHOP:  Second.

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  We're going to need an

 

      19        amendment; is that correct?

 

      20             Mr. Reingold.

 

      21             MR. REINGOLD:  To the committee, the proper

 

      22        way to deal with this would be either to move to

 

      23        deny or have an amendment to deny the waiver or

 

      24        an amendment to approve the waiver.

 

      25             If you do an amendment to approve the

 

 

 

            Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203


 

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       1        waiver, it's my understanding Mr. Hainline had

 

       2        proposed two conditions to --

 

       3             MR. JOOST:  Move the amendment to approve

 

       4        the waiver.

 

       5             MR. BISHOP:  Second.

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion to approve the waiver

 

       7        by Councilman Joost, second by Councilman

 

       8        Bishop.

 

       9             Discussion, Mr. Webb.

 

      10             PRESIDENT WEBB:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

 

      11             Thank you, Vice President Joost and

 

      12        Mr. Redman for your second.

 

      13             I support the -- I support this matter.

 

      14             As Mr. Hainline said before, he has done

 

      15        good work in reaching out to all constituents.

 

      16        Constituent groups have an interest in this on

 

      17        behalf of the applicant or the applicant

 

      18        directly, Mr. Wiggins.

 

      19             I -- there was some concern raised at the

 

      20        outset because of what the Planning Department

 

      21        referenced was this de facto development issue,

 

      22        and that's precisely what we worked with to make

 

      23        certain that we didn't get.  We don't -- this --

 

      24        this is -- this is entirely consistent with

 

      25        the -- with the desires of the community.  And,

 

 

 

           Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203


 

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       1        in fact, my view is totally consistent with the

 

       2        intent of the Mandarin overlay because, as the

 

       3        Planning Department well knows, I didn't write

 

       4        the Mandarin overlay, but I participated in a

 

       5        substantial modification of it after I took

 

       6        office because the original bite at the apple

 

       7        didn't quite get us where we wanted to be.  So

 

       8        we, in fact, amended it last year.

 

       9             So this -- and one of the things that we

 

      10        were very concerned with is that we did not

 

      11        preclude existing property owners such as

 

      12        Mr. Wiggins from making proper use of his

 

      13        property that was consistent with the overlay,

 

      14        that is, the one-acre required lot size.

 

      15             There were -- again, there were some

 

      16        concerns regarding the way -- the initial

 

      17        conveyance of the way it was structured, but all

 

      18        of those issues have been resolved and I think

 

      19        this is totally consistent with the matter and

 

      20        overlay, and I would urge -- I would request

 

      21        that my colleagues support the -- support the

 

      22        amendment to approve.

 

      23             Thank you.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Webb.

 

      25             Mr. Reingold, the two conditions were

 

 

 

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       1        what?

 

       2             MR. REINGOLD:  Mr. Hainline, would you come

 

       3        back up to the podium, please.

 

       4             MR. HAINLINE:  (Complies.)

 

       5             MR. REINGOLD:  To the Chair and the entire

 

       6        committee, here is -- as I have the two

 

       7        conditions -- and certainly Mr. Hainline is

 

       8        coming up, and he can correct me or just agree

 

       9        to them.

 

      10             Condition number 1 would be that a

 

      11        35-foot-wide nonrevocable access easement

 

      12        benefiting the waterfront parcel RE 105974-0010

 

      13        and (inaudible) parcel 105973-0000 shall be

 

      14        recorded.

 

      15             And the second condition would be that

 

      16        there shall be no more than one principal

 

      17        residence on parcel 105973-0000 in addition to

 

      18        the existing guest house on the parcel which has

 

      19        approximately 816 square feet heated/cooled area

 

      20        and a 224-square-foot carport, and no more than

 

      21        one principal residence on parcel 105974-0010.

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Reingold.

 

      23             Mr. Joost, your amendment included those

 

      24        conditions?

 

      25             MR. JOOST:  Yes.

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Thank you.

 

       2             Mr. Hainline, do you agree to those

 

       3        conditions on the record?

 

       4             MR. HAINLINE:  Yes, sir.

 

       5             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Thank you.

 

       6             Any further discussion?

 

       7             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  If not, open the ballot.

 

       9             MR. REINGOLD:  Move the amendment.

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  I'm sorry.  On the

 

      11        amendment, yes.

 

      12             All those in favor on the amendment, say

 

      13        aye -- or say yes.

 

      14             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Yes.

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  Opposed, say no.

 

      16             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

      18        approved the amendment.

 

      19             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill as amended.

 

      20             MR. HOLT:  Second.

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion by Mr. Joost, second

 

      22        by Mr. Holt.

 

      23             Discussion.

 

      24             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  If not, open the ballot.

 

 

 

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       1             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

       2             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

       3             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

       4             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

       5             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

       6             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       7             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  Vote.

 

       9             MS. LAHMEUR:  Five yeas, zero nay.

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you have

 

      11        approved item 7, 2010-315, as amended.

 

      12             PRESIDENT WEBB:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

 

      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. President.

 

      14        Appreciate you coming.  You're welcome any

 

      15        time.

 

      16             PRESIDENT WEBB:  Thank you.

 

      17             Have a good night.

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  We'll see you in a couple of

 

      19        weeks.

 

      20             Turning back to page 1, item 1, 2009-864.

 

      21             Mr. Shelton with the Planning Department is

 

      22        going to make a brief presentation using his

 

      23        PowerPoint.

 

      24             (Mr. Shelton approaches the podium.)

 

      25             MR. SHELTON:  Yes, sir.

 

 

 

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       1             Good evening.

 

       2             My name is Mark Shelton with the Planning

 

       3        and Development Department.  With me tonight are

 

       4        Lisa Rinaman with the mayor's office and

 

       5        Paul Davis also with the Planning and

 

       6        Development Department.

 

       7             I'd like to take just a few minutes of your

 

       8        time to introduce ordinance 2009-864 or, as we

 

       9        call it, the Florida-friendly ordinance.

 

      10             This specific code revision is applicable

 

      11        only to all new public agency projects and

 

      12        private projects, including industrial,

 

      13        commercial, recreational, and multifamily

 

      14        residential.

 

      15             Much of this ordinance is comprised of

 

      16        additional definitions and semantic changes.  As

 

      17        you can see, it is an ordinance that updates our

 

      18        existing landscaping code to come into

 

      19        compliance with several Florida Statutes, and

 

      20        I'm referring to the handouts you guys should

 

      21        have.

 

      22             It is also a much needed revision that will

 

      23        keep our code consistent with our own 2030

 

      24        Comprehensive Plan.

 

      25             So the big question comes up, what is

 

 

 

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       1        Florida-friendly landscaping and why should we

 

       2        revise our code to include it?  As you can see

 

       3        in your handout, I listed three items there.

 

       4             Number 1, it improves the aesthetics

 

       5        because Florida-friendly plants require less

 

       6        maintenance and last longer.

 

       7             It also conserves water by requiring the

 

       8        right plant at the right place, which requires

 

       9        less watering.

 

      10             And, finally, it encourages a diversity of

 

      11        plants, which adds to the overall character of

 

      12        the site.

 

      13             To stay consistent with other

 

      14        municipalities, we use the FDEP's model

 

      15        ordinance as a template, taking most of our --

 

      16        our new language straight from this guideline.

 

      17             And as you can see on your handout,

 

      18        throughout the 10-month process of creating this

 

      19        ordinance, we worked with several stakeholders,

 

      20        individuals, organizations, and departments

 

      21        internally to the City of Jacksonville.

 

      22             One of our more notable issues was the

 

      23        water use zones.  Other than changing the

 

      24        percentage of the water use zones, we left the

 

      25        existing language in this section relatively

 

 

 

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       1        alone.  As a result, we continue to allow turf

 

       2        grass in up to 70 percent of the landscape

 

       3        area.

 

       4             There it is.

 

       5             We also include a reference to the IFAS

 

       6        extension website to get a list of

 

       7        Florida-friendly plants so that when developers

 

       8        are looking for the right plant at the right

 

       9        place, they'll have an updated list with modern

 

      10        studies included at this website.

 

      11             And now we switch over to the irrigation

 

      12        design and maintenance portion of the

 

      13        ordinance.  Irrigation systems can now comprise

 

      14        of an automatic underground system, micro

 

      15        irrigation, quick coupling values, or hose

 

      16        bibs.  Micro irrigation was not consisted in our

 

      17        existing code, and this ordinance introduces

 

      18        it.

 

      19             In the interest of time, I've provided a

 

      20        summary of the rest -- the remainder of this

 

      21        section by listing five points of interest.  And

 

      22        you can see on your handout the first one is,

 

      23        "Irrigation plans must now consider soil slope

 

      24        and other site characteristics in order to

 

      25        minimize wasted water, including overspray."

 

 

 

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       1             I've shown a depiction of some -- a typical

 

       2        irrigation overspray.

 

       3             The second point -- I think I went too far.

 

       4             The second point is that applicants may now

 

       5        choose from three types of sensor devices.

 

       6        Currently in our code, we only consider rain

 

       7        sensors, which are usually on top of the gutters

 

       8        or somewhere on the roof of these commercial

 

       9        buildings.  You can now have a weather sensor

 

      10        and even a moisture sensor, which will give more

 

      11        accurate detail as to when watering needs to

 

      12        take place.

 

      13             The third point of interest is that

 

      14        irrigation areas should not be less than four

 

      15        feet wide, except when adjacent to continuous

 

      16        property or when utilizing micro or drip

 

      17        irrigation.

 

      18             And as you can see in the -- I think the

 

      19        black-and-white depiction there, this -- this

 

      20        part of the ordinance is to better protect

 

      21        irrigation equipment as well as to further

 

      22        prevent overspray.  And we were requiring more

 

      23        appropriate irrigation design by allowing micro

 

      24        drip irrigation in these narrower areas.

 

      25             The fourth point is that irrigation systems

 

 

 

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       1        should not be required for preserved plant

 

       2        communities that are maintained in their natural

 

       3        state.

 

       4             The comprehensive plan right now requires

 

       5        natural vegetation -- a certain percentage of

 

       6        natural vegetation to remain on site.  If you

 

       7        irrigate that, you can ruin the soil base and,

 

       8        therefore, actually destroy it.

 

       9             And the final point is that -- in an effort

 

      10        to work with the development community, the

 

      11        final irrigation plan must only be submitted

 

      12        prior to issuance of the certificate of

 

      13        occupancy and not at the beginning of the permit

 

      14        process.

 

      15             This is in the interest of, if anything,

 

      16        modifications during the permitting process by

 

      17        comments from any of the ten-sets of reviewers,

 

      18        they can make these changes and not have to make

 

      19        the same changes to their irrigation design.

 

      20        They can wait for the irrigation design to be

 

      21        complete and finalize at the very end.

 

      22             So, with that -- hopefully that was quick

 

      23        enough, and I'll stand by with any questions.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  That was quick enough,

 

      25        Mr. Shelton.

 

 

 

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       1             Thank you.

 

       2             Any questions for Mr. Shelton?

 

       3             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Do we -- is

 

       5        there a --

 

       6             I'm sorry.  Did you have a --

 

       7             Mr. Bishop.

 

       8             MR. BISHOP:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

 

       9             Mr. Shelton, just a real quick question and

 

      10        I'm going to try to phrase it, I guess, as I go

 

      11        here.

 

      12             This is an ordinance that essentially, as I

 

      13        understand it, basically becomes a mechanism to

 

      14        review plans as they come in for new

 

      15        development.

 

      16             Is there anything in here that would -- I

 

      17        guess I will say, once a project gets done,

 

      18        what's to keep it that way?

 

      19             MR. SHELTON:  Yes, sir.

 

      20             The design that's set in the site plan

 

      21        review would be binding.  If it's not developed

 

      22        that way, it will hold up their certificate of

 

      23        occupancy during the building permit process.

 

      24             MR. BISHOP:  I'm talking about after that.

 

      25             MR. SHELTON:  After that, it's open to code

 

 

 

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       1        enforcement.

 

       2             MR. BISHOP:  Okay.  So it becomes a code

 

       3        enforcement exercise at that point?

 

       4             MR. SHELTON:  Yes, sir.

 

       5             MR. BISHOP:  Okay.  And as far as -- we've

 

       6        got high water, medium water, and low water

 

       7        areas in there.  Is it clear in here -- I've

 

       8        kind of read through it a little bit, but I'd --

 

       9        can you tell what you're supposed to do with

 

      10        that or does that whole exercise become open to

 

      11        interpretation and becomes a -- becomes a

 

      12        negotiating session between an applicant and the

 

      13        Building Department, if you will?

 

      14             MR. SHELTON:  Yes, sir.

 

      15             We've had low, moderate, and high water use

 

      16        zones in the code for at least 20 years.  And

 

      17        we've put an explanation of those in -- in the

 

      18        ordinance that you see here.  Those are the

 

      19        existing explanations.

 

      20             We've touched on low water use zones as to

 

      21        show our intent to keep 30 percent of the site

 

      22        natural and un- -- nonirrigated because of the

 

      23        tendency to irrigate whatever you see green.  We

 

      24        would like that to increase the character of the

 

      25        area and diversity of the plants.

 

 

 

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       1             So we've -- we've tried to summarize high

 

       2        water use zones as that which you can irrigate.

 

       3        The moderate use zone, that's when you can

 

       4        irrigate to supplement -- to supplement the

 

       5        rain, and low water use zones to not irrigate at

 

       6        all.

 

       7             And the question is, what is supplemental

 

       8        irrigation landscaping?  And that's something

 

       9        that can be quantified as good, medium, or high

 

      10        drought tolerance, or just flat out nondrought

 

      11        tolerant or drought tolerant.  As our code

 

      12        currently considers it, they just call it

 

      13        drought tolerant and nondrought tolerant.

 

      14             We try to use the DEP guideline for this

 

      15        and to stick with Best Management Practices, but

 

      16        we want to leave review open for studies that

 

      17        come in, whether it be by University of Florida,

 

      18        Texas A & M or other studies that could prove

 

      19        that certain landscape is indeed drought

 

      20        tolerant to the point that it only needs

 

      21        supplemental irrigation.

 

      22             MR. BISHOP:  So basically once a plant

 

      23        palate is approved and installed, you're really

 

      24        kind of leaving it up to the owner to recognize

 

      25        that they don't really have to water it all that

 

 

 

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       1        much in order to get the benefit of not

 

       2        irrigating so much?

 

       3             MR. SHELTON:  Yes, sir.

 

       4             MR. BISHOP:  And if somebody decides that

 

       5        they're not going to pay attention to that and

 

       6        they just feel they've got to water, as long as

 

       7        they don't water more than the water rules say,

 

       8        then they can do it and there's really no

 

       9        difference in that?

 

      10             MR. SHELTON:  Yes, sir.

 

      11             In the design review, we'll look if

 

      12        there's -- a proper irrigation technique is

 

      13        being used on the proper vegetation,

 

      14        Florida-friendly plant at that time.  In other

 

      15        words, it would be hard set to convince a

 

      16        reviewer that micro irrigation is needed for

 

      17        St. Augustine grass as opposed to a palm, which

 

      18        needs the full-blown, regular irrigation.

 

      19             MR. BISHOP:  So there's a lot of education

 

      20        involved in this really?

 

      21             MR. SHELTON:  A little bit, yes, sir.

 

      22             MR. BISHOP:  Yeah.

 

      23             Okay.  Thanks.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Bishop.

 

      25             All right.  Thank you, Mr. Shelton.  Stand

 

 

 

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       1        by, though, for questions.

 

       2             Mr. Reingold, before we get into the public

 

       3        hearing, there's an amendment on this bill.  Can

 

       4        we just get a brief summary of that so we can

 

       5        think about that as we hear from the public?

 

       6             MR. REINGOLD:  Absolutely, sir.

 

       7             Actually, I handed out a copy of the

 

       8        Land Use and Zoning Committee amendment for

 

       9        2009-864.  It should be in front of you.

 

      10             It's mostly just a technical amendment,

 

      11        several portions of it just essentially adding

 

      12        "system" after irrigation.  So it says

 

      13        "irrigation system" throughout the ordinance

 

      14        where appropriate.

 

      15             There were three small other issues, just a

 

      16        definition or rewording of the hose vacuum

 

      17        portion of the code.

 

      18             And then, finally, adding in the language,

 

      19        "Because of the tendency to maintain turf grass

 

      20        with supplemental watering, turf grass shall not

 

      21        be permitted in this zone."  And that was

 

      22        applicable specifically to the low water use

 

      23        zone.  That was added as sort of a clarification

 

      24        point.

 

      25             That's the amendment.

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Reingold.

 

       2             Okay.  With that, we'll open the public

 

       3        hearing on 2009-864.

 

       4             I only have one speaker's card, and that is

 

       5        from Eric -- and I hope I pronounce your last

 

       6        name correctly this time.  It's Hjort; is that

 

       7        correct?

 

       8             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Yes, sir.

 

       9             Thank you.

 

      10             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  And, Mr. Hjort, I just need

 

      12        you to state your name and address for the

 

      13        record before your time begins.

 

      14             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Very good.  Thank you.

 

      15             Eric Hjort, 362 Allapattah Avenue,

 

      16        St. Augustine.

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  And you signed this card?

 

      18             MR. HJORT:  Yes, sir.

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you.

 

      20             MR. HJORT:  I'm a sod grower and potato

 

      21        grower down in Hastings, and I'm also on the

 

      22        board of directors for the Florida Sod Growers

 

      23        Association -- or Cooperative.

 

      24             The Florida Sod Growers Cooperative fully

 

      25        supports water conservation measures.  In fact,

 

 

 

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       1        we've spent countless hours and resources

 

       2        educating our customers, the end consumer, of

 

       3        our product on these measures.

 

       4             We also support this ordinance with just

 

       5        the exception of just a couple of points that

 

       6        we'd just like to have clarification on.

 

       7             The first point being section 656.121 that

 

       8        defines low, medium, and high water use zones.

 

       9        The way it's written, it can be very confusing

 

      10        and difficult to understand.

 

      11             As Councilman Bishop was referring to, the

 

      12        terms "drought tolerant" and "nondrought

 

      13        tolerant," what is the definition of that?  What

 

      14        does that mean?

 

      15             We feel it leaves it open for

 

      16        interpretation.  We suggest using the terms

 

      17        "good" and "medium," as was developed in the

 

      18        table developed by the Florida Department -- or

 

      19        Florida DEP and IFAS and water management.  On

 

      20        this table, it lists all the turf grass species

 

      21        and it tells their drought tolerance, good and

 

      22        medium.

 

      23             I think if we use those terms versus

 

      24        "drought tolerant" and "nondrought tolerant,"

 

      25        when a person reads that, he'll know he can't

 

 

 

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       1        make those changes.

 

       2             Also, to address this -- I know there is

 

       3        some concern about -- as new varieties and stuff

 

       4        come on board, through the universities, that it

 

       5        becomes inflexible.  Well, in my view, this

 

       6        lists species of grasses:  St. Augustine,

 

       7        Bermuda, Bahia.  There are many varieties within

 

       8        those species.  I seriously doubt that we're

 

       9        going to have changes as far as species go.

 

      10             We're not going to blue grass in Florida,

 

      11        we're not going to have fescue in Florida, so I

 

      12        don't think that becomes an issue.  But even so,

 

      13        these tables are updated from time to time based

 

      14        on university studies, so we suggest using the

 

      15        good or medium as indicated in the DEP, BP

 

      16        table.

 

      17             The next point will be referencing that

 

      18        last sentence that was changed:  Because of the

 

      19        tendency to maintain turf grass through

 

      20        supplemental water, turf grass should not be

 

      21        included in this zone.

 

      22             As I've stated before, there are hundreds

 

      23        and hundreds of miles of roadways that have

 

      24        Bahia or Bermuda grass that is not irrigated.

 

      25        It relies solely on natural rainfall to

 

 

 

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       1        survive.

 

       2             Addressing -- I know the zoning is trying

 

       3        to address the issue to base it on a percentage

 

       4        of turf grass for the Florida-friendly

 

       5        landscape, but actually the State requirement,

 

       6        Statute 373.185, states a percentage of

 

       7        irrigated turf.

 

       8             Again, back to the sentence, because they

 

       9        have a tendency to maintain turf grass

 

      10        without -- with supplemental watering -- it's a

 

      11        nonpoint because it's in a nonirrigated area, so

 

      12        we suggest striking that sentence completely

 

      13        from the ordinance.

 

      14             Thank you.

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Hjort.

 

      16             Any questions for Mr. Hjort?

 

      17             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Mr. Hjort -- I'm

 

      19        sorry -- Mr. Shelton, would you mind coming back

 

      20        up?

 

      21             (Mr. Shelton approaches the podium.)

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  Can you clarify the plant

 

      23        list in the BMP table in the ordinance and

 

      24        address Mr. Hjort's concerns as it relates to

 

      25        talking about -- or using -- in lieu of

 

 

 

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       1        "drought" and "nondrought," using "good"

 

       2        and "medium," which is apparently a term used in

 

       3        the DEP table.

 

       4             MR. SHELTON:  Yes, sir.

 

       5             Good and medium are two different terms

 

       6        used in two different tables from two different

 

       7        studies.  Several studies are out there that

 

       8        speak about the -- the tolerance of different

 

       9        grasses at different times.

 

      10             Our biggest point was that this is the same

 

      11        language that we've had in the code.  Most of

 

      12        our commercial developers are familiar with

 

      13        this.  They've been -- have had not a problem

 

      14        for 20 years or more since this "nondrought

 

      15        tolerant" and "drought tolerant" terminology has

 

      16        been in our code.

 

      17             But what we wanted to do is we wanted to

 

      18        leave something up to the reviewer.  If they see

 

      19        that something is good versus something is

 

      20        medium, they'll still know that that definitely

 

      21        is not a nondrought tolerant plant that's good

 

      22        or medium.  It's kind of the same thing.  So the

 

      23        reviewer can tell that from the studies and

 

      24        whether or not it's going to fit in one of those

 

      25        three categories without going into too much

 

 

 

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       1        research.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Could we add a definition or

 

       3        some additional explanation stating what you

 

       4        just stated, that good or medium would be the

 

       5        equivalent of drought tolerant?

 

       6             MR. SHELTON:  In the essence of actually

 

       7        seeking a professional, I'd like to defer that

 

       8        to Paul Davis, who is a registered landscape

 

       9        architect, if you don't mind.

 

      10             (Mr. Davis approaches the podium.)

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Davis, we'll need your

 

      12        name and address for the record.

 

      13             MR. DAVIS:  Through the Chair to the

 

      14        commission, my name is Paul Davis, the Planning

 

      15        and Development Department, 214 North Hogan

 

      16        Street.

 

      17             There are several different lists of grass

 

      18        drought tolerance listings.  BP has -- DEP has a

 

      19        list, IFAS has a list.  There are other

 

      20        researchers, the University of Georgia.  And we

 

      21        believe that the ordinance code, as it -- as it

 

      22        stood for the last 20 years, is adequately clear

 

      23        as to what high, moderate, and low water use

 

      24        means and that the plans reviewer would have the

 

      25        discretion to -- and the capability to interpret

 

 

 

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       1        those lists and apply them to a specific

 

       2        landscape plan.

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  Well, does the ordinance

 

       4        reference the DEP's BMP table 1?

 

       5             MR. DAVIS:  I don't believe it does.

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  But you're not sure?

 

       7             MR. DAVIS:  No, I'm not sure.

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Would you like to

 

       9        check on that for me?  Because --

 

      10             MR. DAVIS:  Certainly.

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  It just -- it just

 

      12        references the BMP?

 

      13             MR. KELLY:  It just references -- under

 

      14        12.11, number 6, it says, "using highly

 

      15        drought-tolerant grass species per BMPs, best

 

      16        management practices."

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  And does the BMP's generic

 

      18        best practices [sic] management include any

 

      19        tables?

 

      20             MR. REINGOLD:  To the Chair -- I see Lisa

 

      21        walking up to the podium.

 

      22             BMPs, or best management practices, are

 

      23        actually a definition that are being added as

 

      24        part of this ordinance, and it means turf and

 

      25        landscape practices or a combination of

 

 

 

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       1        practices based on research, field testing, and

 

       2        expert review determined to be most effective

 

       3        and practical on location, means including

 

       4        economic and technological considerations for

 

       5        improving water quality, conservation water

 

       6        supplies, and protecting natural resources.

 

       7             So it does essentially reference the

 

       8        research that's been performed, field research

 

       9        that's been tested, and expert review.

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  Yes, sir.

 

      11             MR. DAVIS:  Well, we believe that the

 

      12        ordinance as it's presented will provide the

 

      13        reviewer with the latitude to incorporate

 

      14        various studies and not -- rather than

 

      15        referencing one specific list, would have the

 

      16        capability to stay current with any changes in

 

      17        research and studies.

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Thank you, sir.

 

      19             Mr. Bishop.

 

      20             MR. BISHOP:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

 

      21             Either Mr. Davis or Mr. Shelton, one or the

 

      22        other, in response to one of the comments that

 

      23        the speaker had about certain species of turf

 

      24        grass that don't require any -- any irrigation

 

      25        such as Bahia -- as we all know, that stuff is

 

 

 

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       1        all over the place and it doesn't get irrigated,

 

       2        does just fine.

 

       3             Is there a reason why that would not be

 

       4        allowed in areas that -- I mean, there --

 

       5        going -- somewhere in here there was a reference

 

       6        to certain areas that don't allow turf grass.

 

       7        Why would you not be able to plant grass, should

 

       8        you choose to do so, of a type that doesn't

 

       9        require any irrigation, as long as it's not

 

      10        being irrigated?

 

      11             That's just the question.

 

      12             MR. DAVIS:  The overall spirit and intent

 

      13        of the Florida-friendly program through the

 

      14        state, and also the ordinance, would be to

 

      15        encourage and promote plants other than turf

 

      16        grass because of their ecological advantages to

 

      17        wildlife habitat and aesthetic qualities and to

 

      18        help migrating water -- wild fowl and so forth.

 

      19        There's some advantages to reducing the amount

 

      20        of turf or controlling the amount of turf in

 

      21        relation to some other types of plants that

 

      22        would be available.

 

      23             MR. BISHOP:  Doesn't that tend to go past

 

      24        the goal of water use reduction to a bit?

 

      25             MR. DAVIS:  Yes, it does.

 

 

 

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       1             The water use reduction is one component of

 

       2        Florida friendly, but promotion of urban

 

       3        wildlife is another component of that and

 

       4        another objective that's trying to be addressed

 

       5        by this ordinance.

 

       6             MR. BISHOP:  It's interesting.  I don't

 

       7        know that I'm -- that's an interesting dynamic

 

       8        that I wasn't aware of that was trying to be

 

       9        done with this, and I don't know that I'm

 

      10        exactly comfortable with some of that at the

 

      11        moment.

 

      12             I've got to think about that.  Thanks.

 

      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Bishop.

 

      14             Mr. Joost.

 

      15             MR. JOOST:  I was just going to -- through

 

      16        the Chair to Mr. Bishop.  I guess, if it's

 

      17        there, you kind of tend to water it too.  So if

 

      18        that -- if I've planted -- my tendency just as a

 

      19        person, if I've planted grass and now it turns

 

      20        brown and I want to -- you know, I'm a

 

      21        commercial thing, I want to make my entrance

 

      22        have curb appeal and look friendly to people, my

 

      23        tendency is I'm probably going to water it.  So

 

      24        maybe I'm offering that as an explanation.

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Joost.

 

 

 

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       1             Mr. Bishop.

 

       2             MR. BISHOP:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

 

       3             Through the Chair to Mr. Joost, that's a

 

       4        good point.  I would -- from the standpoint of

 

       5        that, you could -- you could make that argument

 

       6        about anywhere on a site, that if it's -- if

 

       7        it's approved today under a certain design

 

       8        scenario, tomorrow you as an owner might decide

 

       9        to do something to get your permit, and then

 

      10        later on --

 

      11             You know, I know this says it's not

 

      12        supposed to need irrigation, but, by golly, I

 

      13        just need to do it, so I'm going to go put

 

      14        irrigation and I'm going to do it anyway.

 

      15             This whole -- this whole concept of

 

      16        Florida-friendly landscaping and water use, by

 

      17        and large, for the most part, is on the honor

 

      18        system because you can't -- you just -- you

 

      19        can't police this stuff, and so that's where the

 

      20        education component comes in.

 

      21             And if you are going to get into the spirit

 

      22        of not using as much water for irrigation --

 

      23        which is really the whole purpose of this, is to

 

      24        protect our water source.  At the end of the

 

      25        day, I think there's some -- some level of logic

 

 

 

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       1        to the extent -- to the standpoint of what

 

       2        difference does it make what you plant as long

 

       3        as it doesn't need watering?

 

       4             Now, you should ordinarily plant something

 

       5        that you would expect to grow.  And so if you're

 

       6        not going to water it, you want it to be able to

 

       7        grow and it doesn't need a lot of irrigation.

 

       8        So you wouldn't, by nature, tend to plant things

 

       9        that require irrigation if you're not going to

 

      10        water it.

 

      11             And so there are species of grass that

 

      12        simply don't require irrigation, and you -- and

 

      13        you live with it from the standpoint in the

 

      14        winter, when it doesn't rain, it gets brown, and

 

      15        when it comes in the spring and it rains, it

 

      16        turns green.

 

      17             And so from the standpoint of, I guess, a

 

      18        little bit of -- maybe private property rights

 

      19        is stretching this thing just a little bit, but

 

      20        from the standpoint -- if there's no need to

 

      21        dictate what to plant in the spirit of saving

 

      22        water, why do we do that?

 

      23             In a sense -- so that there is an

 

      24        additional mission here, other than just simply

 

      25        controlling water use.  It's these other aspects

 

 

 

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       1        that we're talking about.  And I guess -- is

 

       2        this -- and maybe it's a half rhetorical

 

       3        question at this point, but at some point we'll

 

       4        have to deal with it.

 

       5             Is this the right venue to have that kind

 

       6        of a discussion?  I don't know, and I'm -- and I

 

       7        say that because hearing it now is the first

 

       8        time that that's come to my mind, that there is

 

       9        an underlying theme to this.  And it's been my

 

      10        understanding all along that basically we're

 

      11        doing this because we need to control water

 

      12        use.  Instead of dumping half of our potable

 

      13        water source on the ground, you know, that's a

 

      14        water source that we can use for people to use

 

      15        that has economic value.  And dumping on the

 

      16        ground, while it looks nice, doesn't increase

 

      17        jobs and it doesn't increase the ability for

 

      18        people to live in the state.

 

      19             And so this is an extra mission on top of

 

      20        where that is going and it's something that I'm

 

      21        just now becoming aware of, and that's why I

 

      22        expressed a little bit of consternation, is this

 

      23        the right avenue to go down that road?  That's

 

      24        the purpose for my point there.

 

      25             Thanks.

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Bishop.

 

       2             Was there a requirement that municipalities

 

       3        or counties adopt Florida friendly by a time

 

       4        certain?

 

       5             MR. DAVIS:  Yes, there is.  There's both

 

       6        state legislation and rules that --

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  What's the date?

 

       8             MR. DAVIS:  I'm not aware of the date.

 

       9             MR. SHELTON:  To the Council, the state

 

      10        statute said that anytime that you change your

 

      11        landscape code, you have to bring it up to

 

      12        Florida friendly.  So it's really kind of

 

      13        saying, if you tweak it once, you need to bring

 

      14        in the Florida friendly additive to it.

 

      15             So it's not really a hard and fast date,

 

      16        but more as, if you touch your landscape code,

 

      17        it needs to be with Florida friendly included in

 

      18        it.

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  So can some jurisdictions

 

      20        escape adopting Florida friendly by just simply

 

      21        avoiding any update of their landscaping code?

 

      22             MR. SHELTON:  Well, there's one other point

 

      23        that we wanted to clarify, that the update of

 

      24        the City of Jacksonville's 2030 Comprehensive

 

      25        Plan does include the consideration for

 

 

 

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       1        Florida-friendly landscaping.  So in an effort

 

       2        to try to stay consistent with that, we're

 

       3        trying to not only meet statutes but the comp

 

       4        plan.

 

       5             THE CHAIRMAN:  Well, I understand.

 

       6             I just -- my point is one of -- we're doing

 

       7        it.  How do we make sure everybody else is doing

 

       8        it as well?  I mean, what --

 

       9             Mr. Reingold.

 

      10             MR. REINGOLD:  To the Chair, to answer that

 

      11        question.  Actually, there's another provision

 

      12        of the Florida Statutes in which the legislature

 

      13        granted the authority to the Water Management

 

      14        Districts to -- when they review consumptive use

 

      15        permits, they review them with respect to

 

      16        whether the local government has adopted a

 

      17        Florida-friendly ordinance.

 

      18             So thus all the communities and counties

 

      19        throughout the state, when their -- when their

 

      20        consumptive use permits are up for review by the

 

      21        management districts, they will be looking to

 

      22        the local governments for how they've dealt with

 

      23        Florida-friendly landscaping.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  Are those for new permits or

 

      25        renewals or both?

 

 

 

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       1             MR. REINGOLD:  I'll have to pull up the

 

       2        statute section --

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  Sure.

 

       4             MR. REINGOLD:  -- but I just -- that's kind

 

       5        of what's being used across the state.

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  Well, I mean, I'm not sure I

 

       7        have a whole lot of confidence in the water

 

       8        management districts with regard to -- I mean, I

 

       9        think they might have a tendency to grant the

 

      10        use permit without making sure people are

 

      11        adopting Florida friendly.

 

      12             Any idea on what communities have already

 

      13        adopted this?

 

      14             MR. SHELTON:  You know, I do believe

 

      15        that -- I want to say Orange County, Polk

 

      16        County, some of the Central Floridas have.  I

 

      17        know St. Johns County has mentioned Florida

 

      18        friendly briefly.  So they've included pieces of

 

      19        it, but not the DEP ordinance as we've done.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  If you have any ability to

 

      21        just kind of measure who has and who hasn't, if

 

      22        it wouldn't be too time consuming, I would be

 

      23        interested in that information prior to Tuesday

 

      24        night.

 

      25             MR. SHELTON:  (Nods head.)

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Thank you.

 

       2             Anyone else care to address the committee

 

       3        in the public hearing?

 

       4             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       5             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  If not, the

 

       6        public hearing is closed.

 

       7             MR. HOLT:  Move the amendment.

 

       8             MR. JOOST:  Second.

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion on the amendment by

 

      10        Mr. Holt.

 

      11             Was that a second, Mr. Joost?

 

      12             MR. JOOST:  (Nods head.)

 

      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  Any discussion on the

 

      14        amendment?

 

      15             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  If not, all

 

      17        those in favor say yes.

 

      18             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Yes.

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  Opposed say no.

 

      20             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

      22        adopted the amendment.

 

      23             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill as amended.

 

      24             MR. HOLT:  Second.

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion by Mr. Joost, second

 

 

 

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       1        by Mr. Holt.

 

       2             Discussion on the bill as amended?

 

       3             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  If not, open the ballot.

 

       5             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

       6             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

       7             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

       8             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

       9             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      10             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      11             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  Vote.

 

      13             MS. LAHMEUR:  Five yeas, zero nay.

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

      15        approved item 1, 2009-864, as amended.

 

      16             Item 2, 2010-261.  We have a public

 

      17        hearing.  The public hearing is open.

 

      18             I have no speaker cards, so we will

 

      19        continue the public hearing.  And there's no

 

      20        other action on that bill.

 

      21             Item 3, 2010-262.  Same thing.  We'll open

 

      22        the public hearing.  I have no speaker cards.

 

      23        We'll continue the public hearing and there's no

 

      24        other action on that bill.

 

      25             Item 4 and 5 are both deferred.

 

 

 

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       1             On page 4, item 6.  Who's handling that

 

       2        from the Planning Department?

 

       3             Mr. Kelly.

 

       4             MR. KELLY:  This item is a request to

 

       5        withdraw this application.  The applicant has

 

       6        requested a withdrawal with fees.

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  And the application was

 

       8        never processed or anything?

 

       9             MR. KELLY:  That's correct.  It was never

 

      10        noticed and no staff report was written.

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  So we've expended no funds

 

      12        relating to the application?  We've expended no

 

      13        funds?

 

      14             MR. KELLY:  That's correct.

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you.

 

      16             All right.  Anybody have any quasi-judicial

 

      17        communication to disclose?

 

      18             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  If not, we have a public

 

      20        hearing on this.  The public hearing is open.  I

 

      21        have no speaker cards.

 

      22             Anyone care to address the committee?

 

      23             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing no one, the public

 

      25        hearing is closed.

 

 

 

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       1             MR. JOOST:  Motion to withdraw with fees.

 

       2             MR. HOLT:  Second.

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion to withdraw with fees

 

       4        by Mr. Joost, second by Mr. Holt.

 

       5             Any discussion?

 

       6             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  If not, open the ballot.

 

       8             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

       9             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

      10             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      11             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

      12             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      13             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      14             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  Vote.

 

      16             MS. LAHMEUR:  Five yeas, zero nay.

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

      18        withdrawn item 6, 2010-312, with a refund of

 

      19        fees.

 

      20             Item 7 we've taken up.

 

      21             Item 8.  Mr. Kelly.

 

      22             MR. KELLY:  Thank you.

 

      23             Ordinance 2010-344.  This is a request for

 

      24        a waiver of road frontage for property located

 

      25        at 203 Cedar Bay Road.

 

 

 

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       1             The subject property -- we find that there

 

       2        are practical difficulties in complying with the

 

       3        strict letter of the regulation.  The property

 

       4        was essentially split or subdivided to allow for

 

       5        the stormwater retention pond necessary that was

 

       6        required as part of the widening of the Busch

 

       7        Drive right-of-way.  And, as such, it makes

 

       8        impractical at this point -- at this juncture

 

       9        with the location of the pond, any remaining use

 

      10        of the remnant parcel other than for a

 

      11        single-family dwelling.

 

      12             The department finds that this reduction is

 

      13        appropriate.  It's from 80 to 31 feet.  The

 

      14        remainder of the frontage is the stormwater

 

      15        retention pond.  So we find that there are

 

      16        practical difficulties in complying with the

 

      17        strict letter of the regulation in this

 

      18        instance, that it's not an attempt to circumvent

 

      19        any subdivision regulations.  We find that

 

      20        there's adequate frontage on Cedar Bay Road and

 

      21        that this request is not detrimental to the

 

      22        public health and safety, and are recommending

 

      23        approval.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Kelly.

 

      25             Do any council members -- or committee

 

 

 

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       1        members have any ex-parte communication to

 

       2        disclose?

 

       3             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing none, we'll open the

 

       5        public hearing.

 

       6             I have one speaker's card, Robert Carver.

 

       7             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Carver, I just need you

 

       9        to state your name and address for the record.

 

      10             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Robert Carver, 3600

 

      11        Vineland Road, Suite 101, Orlando, Florida.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  And you signed the card?

 

      13             MR. CARVER:  Yes, I did.

 

      14             I'm not familiar with your proceedings up

 

      15        here.  I don't really have any comments on this,

 

      16        but I can answer questions.  I'm an agent for

 

      17        the project.

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  You're in support of the

 

      19        reduction?

 

      20             MR. CARVER:  Yes.

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Thank you.

 

      22             Any questions from the committee?

 

      23             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Thank you,

 

      25        Mr. Carver.

 

 

 

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       1             Anyone else care to address the committee?

 

       2             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing no one, the public

 

       4        hearing is closed.

 

       5             MR. HOLT:  Move the amendment.

 

       6             MR. JOOST:  Second.

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion on the amendment to

 

       8        grant the waiver by Mr. Holt, second by

 

       9        Mr. Joost.

 

      10             Discussion?

 

      11             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  If not, all those in favor

 

      13        say yes.

 

      14             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Yes.

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  Opposed say no.

 

      16             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  By our action, you've

 

      18        approved the amendment.

 

      19             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill as amended.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion by Mr. Joost.

 

      21             Is there a second?

 

      22             MR. BISHOP:  Second.

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Bishop.

 

      24             Any discussion?

 

      25             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  If not, open the ballot.

 

       2             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

       3             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

       4             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

       5             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

       6             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

       7             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.

 

       8             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  Vote.

 

      10             MS. LAHMEUR:  Five yeas, zero nays.

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

      12        granted the waiver and approved item 2010-344.

 

      13             Top of page 5, item 9.

 

      14             Mr. Kelly.

 

      15             Oh, I'm sorry.  This will be Mr. Crofts.

 

      16             MR. CROFTS:  Mr. Chairman, members of the

 

      17        committee, application for planned unit

 

      18        development, which is embodied in ordinance

 

      19        2010-370, seeks to rezone 2.27 acres of land

 

      20        from RLD-60 to PUD.

 

      21             The rezoning to PUD is being sought for the

 

      22        purpose of bringing an existing nonconforming

 

      23        multifamily residential use that was originally

 

      24        constructed in 1970 into compliance with the

 

      25        zoning code.

 

 

 

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       1             Specifically there will be a maximum of

 

       2        52 units with a maximum office space of

 

       3        500 square feet encompassed in the development,

 

       4        an active recreation area.  Two thousand square

 

       5        feet on the eastern portion of the property will

 

       6        exist along with common areas that will be

 

       7        included.  No new or additional units will be

 

       8        added.

 

       9             Pursuant to the provisions of the ordinance

 

      10        code, specifically 656.125 and .341, the

 

      11        planning staff as well as the Planning

 

      12        Commission has recommended approval and

 

      13        favorable -- and in a favorable light in

 

      14        accordance with the review criteria contained

 

      15        therein which deal with the issue of consistency

 

      16        with the comprehensive plan, concurrency and

 

      17        other impacts on infrastructure, and we

 

      18        recommend approval subject to the following

 

      19        conditions.  They are as follows:

 

      20             Number 1, "The development shall be subject

 

      21        to the original legal plan" -- I'm sorry --

 

      22        "legal description dated April 29, 2010."

 

      23             Number 2, "The development shall be subject

 

      24        to the original written description dated

 

      25        April 29, 2010."

 

 

 

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       1             Number 3, "The development shall be subject

 

       2        to the original site plan dated April of 2010."

 

       3             Number 4, "The required transportation

 

       4        improvements shall be made in accordance with

 

       5        the Development Services Division memorandum

 

       6        dated May 18, 2010, or as otherwise approved by

 

       7        the Planning and Development Department."

 

       8             Fifth and finally, "At verification of

 

       9        substantial compliance, the developer shall

 

      10        submit an active recreation amenity plan subject

 

      11        to the review and approval of the Planning and

 

      12        Development Department."

 

      13             Thank you.

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Crofts.

 

      15             This is a quasi-judicial matter.  Anybody

 

      16        have any ex-parte communication to disclose?

 

      17             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Seeing none, we --

 

      19        we'll open the public hearing.

 

      20             I have one speaker's card, Jenna Emmons.

 

      21             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  I don't need to speak if

 

      22        nobody has any --

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  Are you the registered agent

 

      24        for the application?

 

      25             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  (Nods head.)

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  Come on up to the podium and

 

       2        let's get your name and address for the record.

 

       3             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

       4             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Jenna Emmons, 126 West

 

       5        Adams Street, Suite 502, Jacksonville, Florida.

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  I know you were trying to

 

       7        stay out of the limelight, but you heard the

 

       8        conditions that were read by the Planning

 

       9        Department?

 

      10             MS. EMMONS:  Yes.  We're fine with all

 

      11        those.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  Do you agree to those?

 

      13             MS. EMMONS:  Yes.

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Thank you.

 

      15             Any questions from the committee?

 

      16             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Thank you,

 

      18        Ms. Emmons.

 

      19             MS. EMMONS:  Thank you.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  Anyone else care to address

 

      21        the committee?

 

      22             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing no one, the public

 

      24        hearing is closed.

 

      25             MR. JOOST:  Move the amendment.

 

 

 

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       1             MR. BISHOP:  Second.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion on the amendment by

 

       3        Mr. Joost, second by Mr. Bishop.

 

       4             Discussion?

 

       5             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  All those in favor say yes.

 

       7             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Yes.

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  Opposed say no.

 

       9             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  By our action, you've

 

      11        approved the amendment.

 

      12             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill as amended.

 

      13             MR. BISHOP:  Second.

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion by Mr. Joost on the

 

      15        bill as amended, second by Mr. Bishop.

 

      16             Discussion?

 

      17             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  If there's none, open the

 

      19        ballot.

 

      20             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      21             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

      22             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      23             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

      24             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      25             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

 

 

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       1             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

       2             THE CHAIRWOMAN:  Vote.

 

       3             MS. LAHMEUR:  Five yeas, zero nays.

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  By our action, you've

 

       5        approved item 2010-370 as amended -- I'm sorry,

 

       6        item 9, 2010-370, as amended.

 

       7             Item 10.

 

       8             Mr. Crofts.

 

       9             MR. CROFTS:  Yes, sir.

 

      10             Mr. Chairman, members of the committee,

 

      11        application for planned unit development

 

      12        2010-371 seeks to rezone approximately

 

      13        twelve-hundredths of an acre of land from RMD-D

 

      14        to PUD for the purpose of permitting limited

 

      15        commercial office uses.

 

      16             The proposed use will occupy the property

 

      17        containing an 884-square-foot detached

 

      18        single-family residence constructed in 1923.

 

      19        Substantial renovations have been made to the

 

      20        vacant residence, as well as to the exterior of

 

      21        the residence, including landscaping and

 

      22        fencing.

 

      23             The intent of the PUD is that the existing

 

      24        residence be occupied and maintained in a manner

 

      25        that maintains its residential character.  No

 

 

 

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       1        material changes shall be made to the

 

       2        structure.

 

       3             Once again, pursuant to the ordinance code,

 

       4        specifically section 656.125 and .341, the

 

       5        Planning Department and the Planning Commission

 

       6        have recommended approval and in favor -- and in

 

       7        a favorable light with that criteria in

 

       8        accordance with its review in terms of

 

       9        consistency with the comprehensive plan,

 

      10        concurrency, impacts on related development, and

 

      11        its general consistency with the area that it's

 

      12        located.

 

      13             Staff recommends approval with the

 

      14        following conditions:

 

      15             Number 1, "The development shall be subject

 

      16        to the original legal description dated May 10,

 

      17        2010."

 

      18             Number 2, "The development shall be subject

 

      19        to the original written description dated

 

      20        May 10, 2010."

 

      21             Number 3, "The development shall be subject

 

      22        to the original site plan dated May 10, 2010."

 

      23             Number 4, "The development of the property

 

      24        shall proceed in accordance with the Development

 

      25        Services Division memorandum dated May 18, 2010,

 

 

 

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       1        or as otherwise approved by the Planning and

 

       2        Development Department."

 

       3             Fifth and finally, "Any exterior

 

       4        alterations to the existing structure shall be

 

       5        sought through a minor modification."

 

       6             That's it.

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Crofts.

 

       8             Anybody have any ex-parte communication to

 

       9        declare?

 

      10             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing none, we'll open the

 

      12        public hearing.

 

      13             I have one speaker's card, Mike Saylor.

 

      14             (Mr. Saylor approaches the podium.)

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  I need your name and address

 

      16        for the record.

 

      17             MR. SAYLOR:  Yes, sir.

 

      18             Mike Saylor, 1450 Flagler Avenue.

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  And you signed the card?

 

      20             MR. SAYLOR:  I did.

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you.

 

      22             MR. SAYLOR:  I'm just here for questions.

 

      23        I have no further conditions.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  Do you accept the conditions

 

      25        that were read into --

 

 

 

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       1             MR. SAYLOR:  We do.  We have previously.

 

       2             Thank you.

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, sir.

 

       4             Any questions from the committee?

 

       5             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Thank you,

 

       7        Mr. Saylor.

 

       8             Anyone else care to address the committee?

 

       9             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing no one, the public

 

      11        hearing is closed.

 

      12             MR. JOOST:  Move the amendment.

 

      13             MR. BISHOP:  Second.

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion on the amendment by

 

      15        Mr. Joost, second by Mr. Bishop.

 

      16             Any discussion?

 

      17             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  If not, all those in favor

 

      19        say yes.

 

      20             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Yes.

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  Opposed say no.

 

      22             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  By our action, you've

 

      24        adopted the amendment.

 

      25             MR. HOLT:  Move the bill as amended.

 

 

 

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       1             MR. JOOST:  Second.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion by Mr. Holt, second

 

       3        by Mr. Joost.

 

       4             Discussion?

 

       5             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  If not, open the ballot.

 

       7             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

       8             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

       9             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      10             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

      11             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      12             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      13             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      14             THE CHAIRWOMAN:  Vote.

 

      15             MS. LAHMEUR:  Five yeas, zero nays.

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

      17        approved item 10, 2010-371, as amended.

 

      18             Item 11.  Mr. Crofts.

 

      19             MR. CROFTS:  Yes, sir.

 

      20             Application for PUD ordinance 2010-372

 

      21        seeks to rezone 4.47 acres of land from PUD to

 

      22        PUD.

 

      23             The rezoning to PUD is being sought for the

 

      24        purposes of developing the property with a

 

      25        church use, specifically St. Barnabas Anglican

 

 

 

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       1        Church.  The site plan depicts a facility

 

       2        consisting of two buildings of approximately

 

       3        15,000 square feet.

 

       4             The property is currently developed as part

 

       5        of the previous New Covenant Ministries PUD.

 

       6        Access to the property will be from St. Johns

 

       7        Bluff Road.

 

       8             Again, I reiterate in this particular

 

       9        instance that the department and the Planning

 

      10        Commission reviewed this in terms of its

 

      11        consistency with the criteria identified in 656

 

      12        of the ordinance code, specifically the zoning

 

      13        code, in terms of its consistency with the

 

      14        comprehensive plan and other criteria,

 

      15        internally and externally, that relate to the

 

      16        development.

 

      17             Also, this development is an institutional

 

      18        use.  It's located -- it is part of the

 

      19        previously done St. Johns Bluff corridor study

 

      20        and is consistent with that particular document

 

      21        and its recommendations.

 

      22             Staff recommends approval with four

 

      23        conditions and they are as follows:

 

      24             "The development shall be subject to the

 

      25        original legal description dated April 27,

 

 

 

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       1        2010."

 

       2             Number 2, "The development shall be subject

 

       3        to the original written description dated

 

       4        April 27, 2010."

 

       5             Number 3, "The development shall be subject

 

       6        to the original site plan dated May 2010."

 

       7             Fourth and finally, "Transportation

 

       8        improvements shall be made in accordance with

 

       9        the Development Services Division memorandum

 

      10        dated May 18, 2010, or as otherwise approved by

 

      11        the Planning and Development Department."

 

      12             Thank you.

 

      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Crofts.

 

      14             Any ex-parte communication to declare?

 

      15             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing none, we'll open the

 

      17        public hearing.

 

      18             Any speakers' cards on this item?

 

      19        Sharonda, none?

 

      20             MS. DAVIS:  No.

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  Anyone care to address --

 

      22             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

      23             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  My name is William

 

      24        McGill.  I reside at 2530 Laurel Road,

 

      25        Jacksonville, Florida 32207.

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. McGill, you signed the

 

       2        card?

 

       3             MR. MCGILL:  Yes.

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you.

 

       5             MR. MCGILL:  We accept the conditions.

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  That was my next question.

 

       7             Very good.  Thank you.

 

       8             MR. MCGILL:  Thanks.

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Anyone else care

 

      10        to address the committee?

 

      11             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing no one,

 

      13        the public hearing is closed.

 

      14             MR. JOOST:  Move the amendment.

 

      15             MR. HOLT:  Second.

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion on the amendment by

 

      17        Mr. Joost, second by Mr. Holt.

 

      18             Any discussion?

 

      19             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  All those in favor say yes.

 

      21             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Yes.

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  Opposed say no.

 

      23             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

      25        approved the amendment.

 

 

 

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       1             MR. BISHOP:  Move the bill as amended.

 

       2             MR. HOLT:  Second.

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion on the bill by

 

       4        Mr. Bishop, second by Mr. Holt.

 

       5             Any discussion?

 

       6             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  If not, open the ballot.

 

       8             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

       9             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

      10             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      11             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

      12             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      13             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      14             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      15             THE CHAIRWOMAN:  Vote.

 

      16             MS. LAHMEUR:  Five yeas, zero nays.

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

      18        approved item 11, 2010-372, as amended.

 

      19             Top of page 6, item 12.

 

      20             Mr. Crofts.

 

      21             MR. CROFTS:  Mr. Chairman and members of

 

      22        the committee, it is my understanding that this

 

      23        bill will be actually substituted.  The

 

      24        substitute will basically reflect a change in

 

      25        the recommended zoning classification from

 

 

 

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       1        RLD-60 to RLD-80 and we will proceed with that

 

       2        following the instructions of this committee as

 

       3        well as properly advertised in the legislation.

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Crofts.

 

       5             Mr. Reingold, do we need to ask for

 

       6        ex-parte on something we're going to rerefer?

 

       7             MR. REINGOLD:  No.

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  I'm going to cross

 

       9        that off my agenda, then.

 

      10             All right.  We have a public hearing on

 

      11        this bill tonight.

 

      12             The public hearing is open.

 

      13             I have no speaker cards.  Anyone care to

 

      14        address the committee?

 

      15             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing no one, the public

 

      17        hearing is closed.

 

      18             MR. HOLT:  Let's move the sub.

 

      19             MR. JOOST:  Second.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion on the sub by

 

      21        Mr. Holt, second by Mr. Joost.

 

      22             Discussion on the sub?

 

      23             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  If not, all those in favor

 

      25        say yes.

 

 

 

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       1             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Yes.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Opposed say no.

 

       3             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  By our action, you've

 

       5        adopted the sub.  And this bill was

 

       6        rereferred -- oh, we've got to vote on that.

 

       7             I'm sorry.  All right.

 

       8             MR. BISHOP:  Move to rerefer.

 

       9             MR. JOOST:  As substituted.

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion by Mr. Bishop to

 

      11        rerefer as substituted, second by Mr. Joost.

 

      12             Discussion?

 

      13             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  If not, open the ballot.

 

      15             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      16             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

      17             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      18             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

      19             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      20             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      21             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      22             THE CHAIRWOMAN:  Vote.

 

      23             MS. LAHMEUR:  Five yeas, zero nay.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  And by your action, you have

 

      25        substituted 2010-373, and that is rereferred to

 

 

 

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       1        committee.

 

       2             Item 13.  Mr. Crofts.

 

       3             Oh, I'm sorry.  We're just going to have a

 

       4        public hearing on this.

 

       5             The public hearing is open.  Anyone care to

 

       6        address the committee?

 

       7             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing no one,

 

       9        the public hearing is continued and no other

 

      10        action on this bill.

 

      11             Item 14 is deferred at the request of the

 

      12        district councilperson.

 

      13             Top of page 7.  Item 15 is deferred.

 

      14             Item 16.  Mr. Kelly.

 

      15             MR. KELLY:  Thank you.

 

      16             To the Chair and members of the LUZ

 

      17        Committee, ordinance 2010-448 is a waiver of

 

      18        road frontage for property located at 2236 Jones

 

      19        Road.  The request is to allow a reduction in

 

      20        the required road frontage from eighty feet to

 

      21        zero feet.

 

      22             The subject property has some practical

 

      23        difficulties.  The -- originally, the applicant

 

      24        had basically agreed to do what's called lineal

 

      25        consanguinity, which removes any road frontage

 

 

 

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       1        requirement.  The surrounding properties are

 

       2        owned by his father and sister, who currently

 

       3        live on the larger tract of land.

 

       4             As such, the City, again, approved a

 

       5        foundation plan for a house to be built on the

 

       6        subject property.  However, the financing --

 

       7        because of lineal consanguinity, was unable to

 

       8        obtain financing for the full development of the

 

       9        house, and so the -- the uniqueness of this

 

      10        application is all the surrounding property is

 

      11        owned by a direct family member in this

 

      12        instance.

 

      13             The department feels that this is -- again,

 

      14        this is not circumventing the intent of the

 

      15        subdivision regulations; however, there are true

 

      16        practical hardships and economic hardship in the

 

      17        cost of compliance.

 

      18             The City, again, finds that there is an

 

      19        affected easement through the grant of the

 

      20        waiver with a -- specific conditions I'll read

 

      21        into the record, and finds that this location is

 

      22        readily visible and will be addressed according

 

      23        from [sic] Jones Road if approved as

 

      24        conditioned.

 

      25             The conditions are, the --

 

 

 

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       1             Condition 1 shall read that, "The applicant

 

       2        shall have mailboxes with addresses clearly

 

       3        posted, the applicant's home."

 

       4             Condition 2, "Prior to obtaining a

 

       5        certificate of occupancy, the applicant shall

 

       6        record an easement for at least 30 feet in width

 

       7        connected to Jones Road to the subject

 

       8        property."

 

       9             With those two conditions, staff is

 

      10        recommending approval.

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Kelly, the first

 

      12        condition, that mailbox needs to be for the

 

      13        applicant's home and the applicant's sister's

 

      14        home; is that correct?

 

      15             MR. KELLY:  The applicant's sister's

 

      16        home -- I'll defer to the applicant, but because

 

      17        it's off the subject property, it wasn't -- the

 

      18        department felt it was not a condition that

 

      19        could be imposed on property that was not bound

 

      20        or tied to this legal description.  The house is

 

      21        there, they already have a mailbox.  They're

 

      22        getting mail delivery today.

 

      23             So we recommended to strike that portion of

 

      24        the condition that refers the applicant's

 

      25        sister's home, and just -- and just leave it

 

 

 

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       1        with the applicant's home shall be --

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  So the applicant's shall

 

       3        have mail -- shall have a mailbox with the

 

       4        address clearly posted of the applicant's home

 

       5        on Jones Road; is that correct?

 

       6             MR. KELLY:  That's correct.

 

       7             Thank you.

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.

 

       9             Any ex-parte communication to declare?

 

      10             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing none, we have a

 

      12        public hearing.

 

      13             The public hearing is open.  I have one

 

      14        speaker's card, Mr. Keene, Kenneth.

 

      15             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

      16             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  I'm Kenneth Keene, Jr.,

 

      17        2236 Jones Road.

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  And you signed the card,

 

      19        sir?

 

      20             MR. KEENE:  Yes, sir.

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  And did you hear

 

      22        the conditions?

 

      23             MR. KEENE:  Yes, sir.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  You accept those?

 

      25             MR. KEENE:  Yes, sir.

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  Is there anything else you

 

       2        want to --

 

       3             MR. KEENE:  No, sir.

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Any questions

 

       5        for Mr. Keene?

 

       6             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Thank you,

 

       8        Mr. Keene.

 

       9             Anyone else care to address the committee?

 

      10             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing no one, the public

 

      12        hearing is closed.

 

      13             MR. JOOST:  Move the amendment with

 

      14        conditions.

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  To grant or deny?

 

      16             MR. JOOST:  Grant.

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion to grant the waiver

 

      18        with the conditions as described by Mr. Joost.

 

      19             Is there a second?

 

      20             MR. REDMAN:  Second the motion.

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  Second by Mr. Redman.

 

      22             Discussion?

 

      23             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  If not, all those in favor

 

      25        say yes.

 

 

 

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       1             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Yes.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Opposed say no.

 

       3             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

       5        adopted the amendment.

 

       6             MR. JOOST:  Move to grant the waiver as

 

       7        amended.

 

       8             MR. HOLT:  Second.

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion on the bill by

 

      10        Mr. Joost, second by Mr. Holt.

 

      11             Discussion?

 

      12             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing none, open the

 

      14        ballot.

 

      15             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      16             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

      17             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      18             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

      19             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      20             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      21             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      22             THE CHAIRWOMAN:  Vote.

 

      23             MS. LAHMEUR:  Five yeas, zero nays.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you have

 

      25        approved 2010-448 by granting the waiver with

 

 

 

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       1        the conditions.

 

       2             Item 17.

 

       3             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill --

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  We've got to have a little

 

       5        public hearing.

 

       6             Mr. Reingold, did you have your hand up?

 

       7             MR. REINGOLD:  No.

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  We have a public

 

       9        hearing on 2010-449.  The public hearing is

 

      10        open.

 

      11             I have no speaker cards.  Anyone care to

 

      12        address the committee?

 

      13             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing no one, the public

 

      15        hearing is closed.

 

      16             Now, Mr. Joost.

 

      17             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill.

 

      18             MR. REDMAN:  Second.

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion by Mr. Joost, second

 

      20        by Mr. Redman.

 

      21             Discussion?

 

      22             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  If not, open the ballot.

 

      24             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      25             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

 

 

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       1             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

       2             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

       3             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

       4             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       5             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

       6             THE CHAIRWOMAN:  Vote.

 

       7             MS. LAHMEUR:  Five yeas, zero nays.

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you have

 

       9        approved item 17, 2010-449.

 

      10             Turning to the top of page 8, item 18.

 

      11             Mr. Crofts, are you handling this?

 

      12        Mr. Huxford?  Who is handling this?

 

      13             Mr. Kelly.

 

      14             MR. KELLY:  Thank you.

 

      15             To the Chair and to the committee members,

 

      16        ordinance 2010-450.  This is new legislation

 

      17        that is really done to streamline the review

 

      18        process in dealing with multiple applications as

 

      19        the department routinely sees applications that

 

      20        require both Planning Commission approval as

 

      21        well as administrative deviations which would be

 

      22        approved by the Zoning Administrator and vice

 

      23        versa.

 

      24             There's applications that come before you

 

      25        that would also require Planning Commission

 

 

 

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       1        approval or an administrative deviation.

 

       2        Specifically, this is kind of set up in terms of

 

       3        a hierarchy of the -- the higher reviewing body

 

       4        basically taking the applications that would be

 

       5        otherwise reviewed by the lesser body, the

 

       6        Planning Commission or the administrative

 

       7        deviation, and -- through the Zoning

 

       8        Administrator.

 

       9             We would have basically exceptions and

 

      10        variances, waivers of liquor distance, and minor

 

      11        modifications that also required an

 

      12        administrative deviation to require that

 

      13        administrative deviation to go to the Planning

 

      14        Commission.  So anything that the Planning

 

      15        Commission had final action on in conjunction

 

      16        with administrative deviation would be heard

 

      17        entirely by the Planning Commission.

 

      18             Additionally, anything the LUZ Committee

 

      19        and the Council would have final action on in

 

      20        terms of waivers of road frontage and sign

 

      21        waivers in combination with an exception or

 

      22        variance or with an administrative deviation,

 

      23        the LUZ Committee would have final action on all

 

      24        of those applications, the exception, the

 

      25        variance, as well as the administrative

 

 

 

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       1        deviation.  They would be reviewed concurrently

 

       2        at one hearing.

 

       3             We basically find that that would help to

 

       4        streamline the process and eliminate existing

 

       5        redundancies that are in the system when we see

 

       6        an application.  For instance, that's already

 

       7        been approved at the LUZ level, but then there's

 

       8        an identical request to reduce a yard

 

       9        requirement in conjunction with a sign waiver

 

      10        that's been granted relief already.

 

      11             And so this basically combines those

 

      12        functions into one body, and we find that that

 

      13        is going to be really a more efficient way of

 

      14        dealing with the hearings on all of the

 

      15        applications, to take them all under

 

      16        consideration at the same time, with the higher

 

      17        authority, of course, reviewing ultimately to

 

      18        that level.

 

      19             So the department finds, again, that this,

 

      20        again, furthers the comprehensive plan by

 

      21        streamlining the application process, and we

 

      22        fully support this application -- this

 

      23        ordinance.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Kelly.

 

      25             We have a public hearing scheduled on this

 

 

 

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       1        bill.

 

       2             The public hearing is open.  I have no

 

       3        speakers' cards.

 

       4             Anyone care to address the committee?

 

       5             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing no one, the public

 

       7        hearing is closed.

 

       8             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill.

 

       9             MR. REDMAN:  Second.

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion by Mr. Joost, second

 

      11        by Mr. Redman.

 

      12             Any discussion?

 

      13             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  If not, open the ballot.

 

      15             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      16             MR. CRESCIMBENI:  (Votes yea.)

 

      17             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      18             MR. BISHOP:  (Votes yea.)

 

      19             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      20             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      21             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      22             THE CHAIRWOMAN:  Vote.

 

      23             MR. KELLY:  I did want to just bring up one

 

      24        thing, that the Downtown Development Review

 

      25        Board is exempt from this.  That's the only

 

 

 

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       1        agency that would be exempt from having their

 

       2        applications moved to the LUZ and Council

 

       3        committees.

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Kelly.

 

       5             MS. LAHMEUR:  Five yeas, zero nays.

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

       7        approved item 18, 2010-450.

 

       8             Mr. Kelly, what was the nature of the --

 

       9        was that a request from the downtown development

 

      10        to not -- why don't they want to be exempt?

 

      11             MR. KELLY:  Well, the Downtown Development

 

      12        Review Board, they feel they have, you know, the

 

      13        specific ability in dealing with the downtown

 

      14        and their expertise and their knowledge that --

 

      15        downtown and everything, that they didn't want

 

      16        to remove themselves from that process.

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, sir.

 

      18             Items 19, 20, 21 and 22, the balance of

 

      19        page 8 are all second rerefer.

 

      20             Items 23 through 27, all of page 9, are

 

      21        second rerefer.

 

      22             Likewise, page 10, items 28 through 33 are

 

      23        second and rerefer.

 

      24             However, item 31 -- we are going to have a

 

      25        special workshop on item 31 that will begin at

 

 

 

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       1        4:30 two weeks from today, from 4:30 to 5:00, so

 

       2        please mark your calendar according.  That's at

 

       3        the request of the Planning Department.  So

 

       4        we'll be back here at 4:30 for a workshop and

 

       5        start our regular meeting at 5:00.

 

       6             Page 11, items 34 through 38 are all second

 

       7        and refer.

 

       8             And that completes our agenda.

 

       9             Is there anything else to come before the

 

      10        committee?

 

      11             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing none,

 

      13        then this meeting is adjourned.

 

      14             Thank you.

 

      15             (The above proceedings were adjourned at

 

      16        6:09 p.m.)

 

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       3   STATE OF FLORIDA:

 

       4   COUNTY OF DUVAL :

 

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       6             I, Diane M. Tropia, certify that I was

 

       7   authorized to and did stenographically report the

 

       8   foregoing proceedings and that the transcript is a

 

       9   true and complete record of my stenographic notes.

 

      10             Dated this 25th day of July, 2010.

 

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      14                                 Diane M. Tropia

 

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            Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203