1                    CITY OF JACKSONVILLE


       2                    LAND USE AND ZONING


       3                         COMMITTEE






       6             Proceedings held on Tuesday, March 18,


       7   2008, commencing at 5:00 p.m., City Hall, Council


       8   Chambers, 1st Floor, Jacksonville, Florida, before


       9   Diane M. Tropia, a Notary Public in and for the State


      10   of Florida at Large.




      12   PRESENT:


      13        MICHAEL CORRIGAN, Chair.

                CLAY YARBOROUGH, Vice Chair.

      14        RICHARD CLARK, Committee Member.

                MIA JONES, Committee Member.

      15        E. DENISE LEE, Committee Member.

                ART SHAD, Committee Member.



      17   ALSO PRESENT:


      18        JOHN CROFTS, Deputy Director, Planning Dept.

                SEAN KELLY, Planning and Development Dept.

      19        FOLKS HUXFORD, Planning and Development Dept.

                SHANNON ELLER, Office of General Counsel.

      20        JESSICA STEPHENS, Legislative Assistant.

                MERRIANE LAHMEUR, Legislative Assistant.


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       1                   P R O C E E D I N G S


       2   March 18, 2008                          5:00 p.m.


       3                         -  -  -


       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  Good evening.


       5             I hereby call to order the Tuesday,


       6        March 18, 2008, meeting of the Land Use and


       7        Zoning Committee.


       8             I am your Land Use and Zoning Chair,


       9        Michael Corrigan.  We also have our cochair


      10        Councilman Clay Yarborough, Councilman Richard


      11        Clark, Councilwoman Mia Jones, and Councilmember


      12        Art Shad.


      13             We have a fairly light agenda today.  We'll


      14        begin at the beginning and go straight through


      15        it.


      16             As I mentioned earlier, if you'd like to


      17        speak, please make sure you have a blue


      18        speaker's card turned in, and we'll take you up


      19        as your item comes up on our agenda.


      20             Committee members, we'll begin on page 2,


      21        item number 1, 2005-718.  We'll open that public


      22        hearing.


      23             Seeing no speakers, we'll continue that


      24        public hearing with no further action.


      25             The following bills will be deferred:





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       1        Item 2, 2005-1228; item 3, 2006-24, 2006-220,


       2        2006-360, -520, and -658 are all deferred.


       3             On page 4 of your agenda, all the items are


       4        deferred:  2007-144, -145, and -384.


       5             Page 5, item 11, 2007-581, is deferred.


       6             Item 12, 2007-659.  We'll open that public


       7        hearing.


       8             Seeing no speakers, we'll continue that


       9        public hearing.


      10             Item 13, 2007-803, is deferred.


      11             Page 6, item 14, 2007-1011, is deferred.


      12             Item 15, 2007-1046.  We'll open that public


      13        hearing.


      14             Seeing no speakers, we'll continue that


      15        public hearing with no further action.


      16             Item 16, 2007-1051 is deferred.  Excuse


      17        me.  Deferred, not open.


      18             Item number 17, 2007-1061.  We'll open that


      19        public hearing.


      20             We have one speaker, Wayne Pope.  Is


      21        Mr. Pope here?


      22             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  (Indicating.)


      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  Come on down.


      24             (Audience member approaches the podium.)


      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  Give your name and address





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       1        for the record, and you have three minutes to


       2        speak on this bill.


       3             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Wayne Pope, 13400 Sutton


       4        Park Drive South, Jacksonville, Florida 32224.


       5             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.


       6             MR. POPE:  I'm just here to answer any


       7        questions that the panel may have.


       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Thank you.


       9             If you'll stick around right there, we'll


      10        see if we have any questions for you.


      11             Seeing no other speakers, we'll close that


      12        public hearing.


      13             MR. CLARK:  Move the amendment.


      14             MR. SHAD:  Second.


      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  I have a motion and a second


      16        on the amendment to -1061.


      17             We'll go to the Planning Department for an


      18        explanation of the amendment.


      19             MR. CROFTS:  The amendment is as follows,


      20        Mr. Chairman and committee members:


      21             Condition number 1, "The development shall


      22        be subject to the original legal description


      23        dated January 9, 2008."


      24             Condition number 2, "The development shall


      25        be subject to the original written description





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       1        dated January 9, 2008."


       2             Number 3, "The development shall be subject


       3        to the original site plan dated January 9,


       4        2008."


       5             Number 4 and finally, "The development


       6        shall be subject to the review and approval of


       7        the Development Services Division pursuant to


       8        their memorandum dated February 1, 2008, and the


       9        Transportation Planning Division memorandum


      10        dated February 19, 2008, or as otherwise


      11        approved by the Planning and Development


      12        Department."


      13             Thank you.


      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Pope, are you aware of


      15        those amendments and approve them?


      16             MR. POPE:  Yes, I am.


      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Thank you.


      18             Seeing no questions on the amendment, all


      19        in favor of the amendment signal by saying aye.


      20             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Aye.


      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  All opposed.


      22             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)


      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  The amendment carries.


      24             MR. SHAD:  Move the bill as amended.


      25             MS. JONES:  Second.





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       1             MR. POPE:  Thank you.


       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Motion and second on


       3        2007-1061 as amended.


       4             Seeing no discussion, open the ballot,


       5        record the vote.


       6             (Committee ballot opened.)


       7             MR. CLARK:  (Votes yea.)


       8             MR. CORRIGAN:  (Votes yea.)


       9             MS. JONES:  (Votes yea.)


      10             MR. SHAD:  (Votes yea.)


      11             MR. YARBOROUGH:  (Votes yea.)


      12             (Committee ballot closed.)


      13             MS. LAHMEUR:  Five yeas, zero nays.


      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've


      15        approved 2007-1061.


      16             Thank you, Mr. Pope.


      17             Committee members, items 18, 19, and 20 --


      18        2007-1085, -1086, and -1121 -- are all open.


      19             Seeing no cards on those three bills,


      20        they'll be continued with no further action.


      21             Page 8 of your agenda, 2007-1125.  We'll


      22        open that public hearing.


      23             Seeing no speakers, we'll continue it.


      24             Item number 22, 2007-1215.  We'll open that


      25        public hearing.





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       1             Mr. T.R. Hainline is the only card I have


       2        at this point.


       3             (Mr. Hainline approaches the podium.)


       4             MR. HAINLINE:  T.R. Hainline, 1301


       5        Riverplace Boulevard.


       6             Mr. Harden and I are in agreement that it


       7        will be heard in two weeks.


       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  That's on the


       9        record?  We got that?


      10             Okay.  Good.


      11             Thank you, Mr. Hainline.  We appreciate it.


      12             MR. HAINLINE:  Thank you.


      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing no other speakers, we


      14        will continue that public hearing with no


      15        further action.


      16             Item number 23, 2007-1230.


      17             MR. YARBOROUGH:  Move to withdraw.


      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  We have a question from


      19        Councilmember Shad.


      20             MS. JONES:  Second.


      21             MR. SHAD:  I was actually going to move to


      22        withdraw with return of --


      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  We have a motion and second


      24        to withdraw.


      25             Go ahead, Councilman Shad.





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       1             MR. SHAD:  I was going to note -- mention


       2        to the Planning Department, I was speaking to


       3        the agent on this on another matter, and he knew


       4        I was coming up here and he asked me to explain


       5        the situation and to ask for a return of fees.


       6        Not actually a return of fees.  He's refiling


       7        this at the request of the district


       8        councilperson, and have those fees carried


       9        forward to the next application.  So I told him


      10        I would bring that up at the committee.


      11             And I didn't know if the Planning


      12        Department had any input.  And Mr. Bishop is not


      13        here, so maybe he could address it on Tuesday.


      14        But I was hoping Mr. Bishop would be here so he


      15        could -- I could hear firsthand what him and the


      16        applicant had come up with.


      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Thank you, Councilman


      18        Shad.


      19             I'll tell you that Councilman Bishop was at


      20        the agenda meeting today.  He did not mention


      21        return of fees at the agenda meeting.  So he


      22        either didn't have an opinion or didn't suggest


      23        it, one or the other.


      24             MR. SHAD:  Okay.


      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  So probably bringing it up





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       1        Tuesday night would be probably more


       2        appropriate.  So --


       3             MR. SHAD:  Okay.


       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  Councilmember Clark.


       5             MR. CLARK:  I was just going to say, if --


       6        I mean, I don't think that any of us have any


       7        problem if he's -- I know if I were asking


       8        someone to honor a request to refile it, that I


       9        personally wouldn't have any issue with having


      10        them carry forward the fees.


      11             MR. SHAD:  I'll make the amendment to carry


      12        the fees forward --


      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  Wait a minute.  We've got a


      14        motion.  Do we have a second on the motion?


      15             MS. ELLER:  You can't carry forward.  You


      16        have to refund.


      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  Ms. Eller, do you want to


      18        explain where we are?


      19             MR. SHAD:  Yes.


      20             There's no authorization in the ordinance


      21        code to waive the fee when it's refiled as a new


      22        application.  So the procedure we have, as


      23        cumbersome and as frustrating as it may sound,


      24        is to refund the fees on this application, and


      25        then they could use them towards the new





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       1        application that they would file in August.


       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  I know that we


       3        typically don't refund the fees when there's


       4        been a Planning Department report filed.


       5             Is that correct from the Planning


       6        Department or --


       7             MR. CROFTS:  Through the Chair, typically


       8        that's been our policy, but the factor in this


       9        equation adds a little bit different intent here


      10        with regard to the intent of refiling.  So


      11        typically when we do a -- the answer to the


      12        question is yes, but I think there's some other


      13        issues here that may play into your decision


      14        with the fact that -- being the commitment to


      15        refile later down the road.


      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  So I don't think I've


      17        got a second on Councilmember Shad's --


      18             MR. CLARK:  Second.


      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second to


      20        return the fees?


      21             Is that --


      22             MR. SHAD:  (Nods head.)


      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  And the Planning


      24        Department is okay with that?


      25             MR. CROFTS:  (Nods head.)





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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Seeing -- a motion


       2        and second, no discussion, all in favor signal


       3        by saying aye.


       4             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Aye.


       5             THE CHAIRMAN:  All opposed.


       6             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)


       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  It passes.


       8             Okay.  We're back on the withdrawal with


       9        refund of fees.


      10             Seeing --


      11             MS. JONES:  Move to withdraw.


      12             MR. CLARK:  Second.


      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second to


      14        withdraw with return of fees.


      15             Seeing no discussion, open the ballot and


      16        record the vote.


      17             (Committee ballot opened.)


      18             MR. CLARK:  (Votes yea.)


      19             MR. CORRIGAN:  (Votes yea.)


      20             MS. JONES:  (Votes yea.)


      21             MR. SHAD:  (Votes yea.)


      22             MR. YARBOROUGH:  (Votes nay.)


      23             (Committee ballot closed.)


      24             MS. LAHMEUR:  Four yeas, one nay.


      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've





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       1        withdrawn 2007-1230.


       2             Item number 24, 2007-1308, is deferred.


       3             Top of page 9, item 2007-1310.  We'll open


       4        that public hearing.


       5             We'll close that public hearing, seeing no


       6        speakers.


       7             Item 26, 2007-1311.  We'll open that public


       8        hearing.


       9             Seeing no speakers, we'll close that public


      10        hearing.


      11             Item 27, 2007-1312.  Open that public


      12        hearing.


      13             Seeing no speakers, we'll close that public


      14        hearing.


      15             MR. CLARK:  (Inaudible.)


      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  That's a very good question


      17        to the Planning Department.


      18             Why are we just opening and closing these


      19        and taking no further action?


      20             MR. CROFTS:  To the Committee and Chairman


      21        and Members, these three items are -- the last


      22        three items are all located in generally the


      23        same area, and it's my understanding that the


      24        applicant is expressing wishes to file a PUD.


      25             Procedurally, we will go back and





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       1        readvertise it as a PUD and take care of that


       2        issue, but the item -- the PUD has not been


       3        formally submitted yet.  And just out of


       4        expeditiousness, as far as the committee


       5        operates, I just went ahead and closed the


       6        public hearings for now.


       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you.  We appreciate


       8        it.


       9             Item number 28, 2007-1350.  We'll open that


      10        public hearing.


      11             We have no speakers on that public


      12        hearing.  I will tell you, this appeal is in my


      13        district.  I did have a meeting with the


      14        appellant last week and a conversation with them


      15        concerning the status of this.  At the end of


      16        our meeting, he requested it be deferred until


      17        he gave us further notice.


      18             He submitted that to me in writing.  So


      19        we'll just open and continue until he notifies


      20        us differently.  So that public hearing will be


      21        continued with no further action.


      22             Page 10, 2008-23.  We'll open that public


      23        hearing.


      24             Seeing no speakers, we'll continue it until


      25        May 5th, 2008.





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       1             MS. JONES:  May 6th.


       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  May 6th.  Excuse me.


       3             Thank you.


       4             Item 30, 2008-25.  We'll open that public


       5        hearing.


       6             We have one speaker, Susan Green.


       7             (Ms. Green approaches the podium.)


       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  Good evening.


       9             MS. GREEN:  Good evening.


      10             Susan Green of Green & Kupperman, 200 First


      11        Street, Suite B, Neptune Beach, representing the


      12        landowner.


      13             And I personally want to thank you for the


      14        emergency deferral last time.  I was quite ill,


      15        so . . .


      16             I have quite a presentation because we have


      17        a recommendation for denial by the Planning


      18        Department, so I have some documents to hand


      19        out.


      20             If everyone would just take a package, and


      21        then I'm going to send one --


      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  Susan, pull that microphone


      23        a little bit closer so we make sure you get on


      24        the tape.


      25             MS. GREEN:  Can you hear me now?





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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  Yes.


       2             MS. GREEN:  Okay.  I have one set of


       3        pictures I just wanted to pass around.  I'm


       4        going to keep one in my hand, trying to save


       5        money on color printing.


       6             Okay.  This piece of property is -- does


       7        the Planning Department want --


       8             (Tenders documents.)


       9             This piece of property is located on


      10        Shindler Drive.  It's in Councilmember Holt's


      11        district.  And just to let you know, I did speak


      12        with him this morning right here in TEU, told


      13        him that I had spoken with his aide.  And since


      14        I didn't hear from him, I didn't assume he had


      15        any problems.


      16             And one reason I did want to clarify that


      17        with him is that his aide -- I think her name is


      18        Connie -- told me that there were a lot of


      19        mobile home issues on this road.  However, our


      20        situation, or our little area of the Oak Ridge


      21        mobile home community has never had a complaint


      22        in her office.


      23             Okay.  I need to give you a little bit of


      24        history about the property.


      25             Okay.  I'll have to do this from scratch.





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       1        I thought I had all my paperwork here.


       2             This piece of property is just under two


       3        acres.  It, as you can see on the zoning map,


       4        abuts a larger tract which is where the mobile


       5        home park is.  This particular piece of


       6        property, as it has the little flag, that flag


       7        is a driveway.  And you can see that in some of


       8        the pictures.  It's a dirt driveway.  It goes


       9        all the way back.  Serves about, I want to say,


      10        six or seven, maybe, mobile homes that are back


      11        there.


      12             On this piece of property, in 1999, the


      13        woman who did own it -- and I think she may no


      14        longer be living, but she ended up deeding it


      15        over to Mr. and Mrs. Bowers.  It was the


      16        husband's aunt.  Dorothea came to the Planning


      17        Department and made an application for the same


      18        thing that I'm here for today, the waiver, and


      19        then we -- the next process, then, is to go to


      20        the administrative deviation at the Planning


      21        Department for two mobile homes on slightly less


      22        than two acres.  You get to have one home per


      23        acre.


      24             Well, at that time, she was advised that


      25        the Planning Department didn't process the





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       1        administrative deviation waivers for reducing


       2        lot area, so she withdrew that application.


       3             And then at the LUZ meeting, the


       4        application was amended, then, from two mobile


       5        homes down to one since there wasn't going to be


       6        the ability to have the second one.


       7             Apparently when she deeded -- apparently


       8        when she deeded the property to the Bowers,


       9        either she didn't understand that or she


      10        neglected to tell them.  And so in your package


      11        behind the zoning map, and then our site plan


      12        that Greg and I did which shows the existing and


      13        then the remainder area where we proposed to put


      14        the second mobile home, the third page is a site


      15        plan that Mr. or Ms. Bower did.  It's slightly


      16        crude.  And it did get a stamp from the Planning


      17        Department, and that was in April of last year.


      18             That was based upon Ms. Bower thinking that


      19        she had the waiver granted for two mobile


      20        homes.


      21             Then she makes application for the move-on


      22        permit, and then, you know, the one gets moved


      23        on.  Actually, my memory has escaped me as to


      24        how it actually got caught up that she could not


      25        have the second mobile home.





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       1             She talked to, I think, Michael Koerner and


       2        Folks, and she's very diligent when she speaks.


       3        She can -- sweet lady but wear your ear out a


       4        little bit.  So she got all ruffled and -- then


       5        she came and found us.


       6             So I went and talked to Sean and told


       7        him -- you know, and Ken what we were going to


       8        do.  We'll go ahead and make the application


       9        again then for the second mobile home on the


      10        waiver for the road frontage and then on Friday


      11        the administrative deviation hearing.


      12             The situation out there --


      13             Did you take the pictures and pass them


      14        around?


      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  Yes.


      16             MS. GREEN:  Okay.  This mobile home park is


      17        the road, then, to the north of this one


      18        (indicating), which is the first couple of


      19        pictures.  It shows you how clean it is out


      20        there.  They're not rundown.  Actually, two or


      21        three people flagged me down and wondered if


      22        they could help me find anything and were as


      23        sweet as can be.


      24             The last couple of pictures, this


      25        particular one (indicating), I took from the





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       1        mobile home park road looking back south to show


       2        you the large tract, vacant tract where this


       3        additional mobile home would be placed.


       4             And, again, this picture (indicating).  And


       5        then I'm sorry.  The one here (indicating),


       6        there's -- my Landrover is in that picture.


       7             Hold on.


       8             This one right here, where you can see the


       9        top of the hood of my car, the black one, that's


      10        looking down the dirt road that's not considered


      11        a real road that's only 15 feet wide.  There are


      12        already an existing six or seven mobile homes on


      13        there.


      14             So we're here to ask you today to work with


      15        us on the waiver.


      16             And I had actually marked up the staff


      17        report.  It's probably all sitting back there in


      18        my bag.  But there were things in the staff


      19        report that were a little bit inconsistent with


      20        what I would agree with.  It said that it would


      21        potentially deter the character of the area.


      22        Well, there's mobile homes everywhere.  I'm not


      23        really sure how that would deter the character


      24        of the area.


      25             And it said that she was advised not to





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       1        make the application in 1999.  That's not what


       2        happened.  It actually was withdrawn or amended.


       3             And it talked about single-family platted


       4        subdivisions.  I've been back out there.  There


       5        may be one.  But this is a mobile home area.


       6        And we're really just asking for the relief on


       7        the existing driveways that's there, to have one


       8        more car be able to come in to go to a mobile


       9        home that we want to place on there.


      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Thank you.


      11             Seeing no other speakers, we'll close the


      12        public hearing.


      13             We'll go to the Planning Department for


      14        their input, please.


      15             MR. KELLY:  Thank you.


      16             Through the Chair to the committee,


      17        ordinance 2008-25 seeks a reduction in the


      18        required road frontage from 160 feet to 15 feet


      19        to allow for two dwelling units on the subject


      20        property, approximately 1.75 acres in size.


      21             The property is zoned rural residential,


      22        requiring a one-acre lot size for each dwelling


      23        unit, so there is a companion application for an


      24        administrative deviation to reduce the required


      25        lot area from two acres to 1.75 acres.





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       1             Staff did review this for consistency with


       2        the criteria.  We found out that -- in our


       3        review, that there really was no practical


       4        difficulty in carrying out the strict letter of


       5        the regulation.


       6             There are numerous other conflicts with the


       7        existing code, one being the lot area itself,


       8        two is the access and the narrowness of the


       9        access.


      10             This is strictly a flag lot, again, and


      11        there was a previous waiver that was granted on


      12        the property in 1999 that allowed basically for


      13        the existing dwelling unit to be on that


      14        15-foot-wide easement.


      15             This is, again, kind of a continuation of a


      16        de facto subdivision, substandard, not meeting


      17        requirements for the pavement, curb and gutter


      18        as otherwise required.


      19             The access from this narrow 15-foot-wide


      20        driveway would be a detriment to the health,


      21        safety, and welfare, and make it difficult for


      22        emergency vehicles and other City services to


      23        locate the subject property.


      24             We felt the flag lot design, again, is


      25        altering the established development pattern





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       1        within the area, not necessarily the mobile


       2        home, as Ms. Green indicated.  It's not --


       3        that's not what we're discouraging.  It's really


       4        that it's an RR zoning which would permit mobile


       5        homes anyway, but it is the development pattern


       6        and the lot shape that is being created from the


       7        continuing illegal subdivision of the property


       8        over time.


       9             And we felt that it would be negatively


      10        altering the character of the area, potentially


      11        having diminishing effects on surrounding


      12        property values, and also being a detriment to


      13        the health, safety, and welfare, and therefore


      14        recommended denial.


      15             Thank you.


      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Thank you.


      17             Councilmember Shad.


      18             MR. SHAD:  Thank you.


      19             Through the Chair to the committee, I am --


      20        you know, we see a good number of these, and I


      21        wish we had -- I wish there was more guidance in


      22        our zoning code on these because we just kind of


      23        handle them and say what the district


      24        councilperson wants, and they're probably 50/50


      25        as far as our history goes here.





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       1             When I look at this one -- and there's


       2        really -- there's no other flag lots.  In the


       3        upper left-hand side, it looks like there's one


       4        flag lot which looks like a much larger


       5        driveway.


       6             What's the width of this lot, the total


       7        one, including the total property size?


       8             MR. KELLY:  I believe the front lot was


       9        originally -- it's not part of this


      10        application.


      11             Now, they only do have 15 feet of frontage.


      12             MR. SHAD:  Right.


      13             MR. KELLY:  So originally up at the


      14        Shindler Drive, this lot was -- you know, the


      15        equivalent of the parcel essentially across the


      16        street to the west, it looks to be about 100


      17        feet of width.


      18             MS. GREEN:  It's 165.


      19             MR. KELLY:  One hundred and sixty-five.


      20             MR. SHAD:  And what's the -- what is the


      21        normal frontage needed?


      22             MR. KELLY:  For each -- each dwelling unit


      23        is required to have at least 80 feet of


      24        frontage.  So --


      25             MR. SHAD:  So you could split this lot in





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       1        half, like what they did to the catercorner up


       2        and left?


       3             MS. GREEN:  We don't own the property


       4        that's on the street.  And the flag portion was


       5        only because it's the dirt road.


       6             MR. SHAD:  Oh, got you.


       7             MS. GREEN:  I mean, it was just to show the


       8        access.


       9             MR. SHAD:  So you're bound?  You don't


      10        have --


      11             MS. GREEN:  Yeah, we own the property


      12        across the street from us where it says Existing


      13        Oak Ridge Mobile Home Community, but there's


      14        mobile homes there.


      15             MR. KELLY:  Through the Chair to


      16        Councilmember Shad, the property in the front --


      17             MR. SHAD:  I'm looking at this


      18        (indicating).


      19             MR. KELLY:  Correct.


      20             MR. SHAD:  Okay.  Got it.


      21             MR. KELLY:  The hatched area, basically the


      22        highlighted area on that zoning map, that is


      23        going to be -- essentially have two homes on


      24        that property.


      25             MR. SHAD:  Okay.





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       1             MR. KELLY:  The -- so there's a third home


       2        on the front piece.


       3             MR. SHAD:  Okay.


       4             MR. KELLY:  And within that 160 feet of


       5        frontage, you really otherwise would be required


       6        240 feet for three dwelling units.


       7             MR. SHAD:  Right.  The flag lot is already


       8        in existence?  This is just adding another lot


       9        to it?


      10             MR. KELLY:  That's correct.  It was based


      11        on the waiver granted in 1999.


      12             MR. SHAD:  Okay.  Well, just going back,


      13        I -- it would seem like we may want to consider


      14        in our zoning code giving a little more guidance


      15        to the zoning community.


      16             Are you just saying -- making the hurdle


      17        higher to do this going forward, instead of just


      18        going, "Huh, gosh.  Wonder how this one feels,"


      19        and not having the district councilperson here


      20        to address it.


      21             That's the only comment I have.  Thank you.


      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  To the Planning Department,


      23        when I pull up the GIS on this or maybe a new


      24        screen --


      25             MS. GREEN:  Yes.





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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  -- it doesn't even show the


       2        flag lot separated.  It shows one -- 7319 as a


       3        giant lot.


       4             MS. GREEN:  In your package is the deed


       5        that -- or I'm sorry.  Hold on -- the warranty


       6        deed where Ms. Dorothea, or whatever her name


       7        was, and granted -- I'm sorry.  That's the


       8        easement document.


       9             I have the warranty papers.  It shows where


      10        she was the grantor and the niece -- the nephew


      11        and the niece-in-law were the grantees.  And so


      12        she pulled that piece, I guess, out of some


      13        property that she owned.


      14             But, again, that was back in the 1990s.


      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  So I guess my question is --


      16             MS. GREEN:  Sure.


      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  -- when they were creating


      18        this lot -- I mean, if it was fairly recently


      19        created, why didn't they give us enough road


      20        frontage?


      21             MS. GREEN:  I don't know why --


      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  I mean, I'm --


      23             MS. GREEN:  I don't know why she told her


      24        surveyor, which was -- who was Lighthouse


      25        Surveying.  I don't know why she told them to





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       1        only do that little bit.  Maybe she felt like


       2        she had to show the driveway road access to


       3        Shindler.


       4             This piece up here (indicating), the blank


       5        piece just to the north, that is all of their


       6        property.  That's where that fence is that has


       7        the sign hanging on it.


       8             I mean, I guess she could have tried to


       9        circumvent the process by having a survey drawn


      10        that would show the proper amount of frontage,


      11        but it wouldn't really be what's happening.  I


      12        mean, there is a flat dirt road out there that


      13        everyone is accessing and has for many, many


      14        years.


      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.


      16             MS. GREEN:  Thank you.


      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  Planning Department, you


      18        have any input on that or not?


      19             MR. KELLY:  I was just looking at the same


      20        information on the GIS and it looks as if, you


      21        know, the parcel was split out, and they do have


      22        the larger component or the piece to the north


      23        which is -- it looks to be like a -- again, a


      24        de facto mobile home park on that northern half


      25        of this property, which is -- on what I'm





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       1        showing is approximately 6.65 acres at that


       2        address, which includes the hatched lot which is


       3        created through this waiver, and basically the


       4        north larger portion of the property,


       5        approximately four acres.


       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  Right.  So they didn't


       7        give -- they didn't transfer more land because


       8        of the fact there's already existing mobile


       9        homes there.  That's probably what happened.


      10             MR. KELLY:  Right.


      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.


      12             All right.  I don't have any other


      13        questions.


      14             Do I have a motion?


      15             If I don't have a motion, we'll just


      16        continue the public hearing and come back next


      17        time.


      18             MR. SHAD:  Can we ask Mr. Holt to weigh


      19        in?


      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  That would be fine.


      21             MS. GREEN:  If you want to defer it, that's


      22        fine.  Maybe I can get some more information.


      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  The district council


      24        representative input on this would be important


      25        I think because this is one of those -- as





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       1        Councilmember Shad said, it's a flip of a coin.


       2             Let's do this, Ms. Green.  I'd like to go


       3        ahead and just continue the public hearing and


       4        we'll see if we can get Mr. Holt to come and


       5        give us his input next time.


       6             MS. GREEN:  And what is the date of that


       7        again?


       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  Excuse me?


       9             MS. GREEN:  Do you know what the date is


      10        off the top of your head?  I've just been


      11        traveling a lot lately and I don't want to be


      12        out of town on that day.


      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  The next one is April 1st.


      14             MS. GREEN:  I won't be traveling on that


      15        day.


      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  No fooling?


      17             MS. GREEN:  Thank you.


      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  I don't know if we can


      19        believe his input on April 1st or not.  That


      20        will be a whole other subject.


      21             Okay.  We'll just continue that public


      22        hearing with no further action.


      23             Thank you, Ms. Green.  Appreciate it.


      24             MS. GREEN:  Thank you.


      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  Great input, Councilman





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       1        Shad.  Thank you.


       2             All right.  Item 31, 2008-27.  We'll open


       3        that public hearing.


       4             Seeing no speakers, we'll continue that


       5        public hearing.


       6             Item 32, 2002-40, is deferred.


       7             Page 11, 2008-42.  Open that public


       8        hearing.


       9             Seeing no speakers, we'll continue that


      10        public hearing.


      11             Item 34, 2008-106.  We'll open that public


      12        hearing.


      13             We have one speaker card, Wyman Duggan.


      14             (Mr. Duggan approaches the podium.)


      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  Good evening, Mr. Duggan.


      16        How are you?


      17             MR. DUGGAN:  I'm fine, Mr. Chairman.  Thank


      18        you.  How are you?


      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  Good.


      20             MR. DUGGAN:  Wyman Duggan, 1301 Riverplace


      21        Boulevard, Suite 1500.


      22             This is a PUD to PUD rezoning to modify


      23        some conditions of the original PUD approval


      24        that requires a developer to make some off-site


      25        roadway improvements in the San Pablo -- to





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       1        San Pablo Road.


       2             Following the adoption of that PUD, the


       3        River City Management Group informed my client


       4        and the district councilman that it preferred


       5        that my client not make those improvements


       6        because there are -- there is not sufficient


       7        right-of-way at the current time to make the


       8        improvements to City standards.


       9             So the purpose of this amendment would be


      10        to remove that obligation of my client to make


      11        those improvements in deference to the City's


      12        requests on that issue.


      13             The Planning Department originally


      14        recommended denial, although at Planning


      15        Commission I believe we worked out an acceptable


      16        condition to them and to my client.  We agreed


      17        to most -- I think eight of the ten terms of the


      18        Traffic Engineering memo, which addressed the


      19        Planning Department's operational and safety


      20        concerns with respect to traffic impacts related


      21        to the developmental department.


      22             So I won't speak for the department, but


      23        the Planning Commission approved it on that


      24        basis.


      25             And I'm available for any questions.





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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you.


       2             Councilmember Clark, do you want me to


       3        close the public hearing first?


       4             MR. CLARK:  Yes.


       5             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing no other speakers,


       6        close the public hearing and call on the


       7        district councilperson, Councilmember Clark.


       8             MR. CLARK:  I first want to obviously


       9        declare ex-parte with Wyman Duggan.  I guess we


      10        also had ex-parte with -- we had a table with


      11        River City Management, folks from the City,


      12        amongst others, and Wyman, just discussing the


      13        nuances of what we're having to do here.


      14             Do we want to hear from the Planning


      15        Department before this and then --


      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  You can move an amendment to


      17        approve or deny if you want to.


      18             MR. CLARK:  Okay.  That's how we're doing


      19        it.  Okay.  Good.


      20             Simply put, I didn't want anything to


      21        happen on that section of San Pablo and Atlantic


      22        Boulevard, given the nature of -- what that


      23        intersection is like, until a developer agreed


      24        to fix the intersection if they were going to do


      25        such a thing.  So we tied everything they did,





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       1        every permit they got, to the intersection.


       2             Well, they had it engineered.  They spent


       3        about 70 grand in engineering.  They agreed to


       4        all the conditions.  And then we sat down with


       5        the powers that be that are redoing San Pablo


       6        and the intersection, they said, you know, all


       7        this is great, but you can do all this and in


       8        six months we're going to destroy it and rip it


       9        up because we need to take a lot more


      10        right-of-way.  It's going to be very difficult


      11        for us and it's going to take a lot longer


      12        because we're probably going to probably wind up


      13        taking property eventually here because there's


      14        just -- there's things built on it.  There's --


      15        you know, there's a car wash and adjacent to a


      16        gas station, things like that that are going to


      17        need to be to make the road work.


      18             So if we're going to make the road work and


      19        do it correctly, which we want to do the first


      20        time, we don't want -- they've agreed to do


      21        everything I've asked.  I don't want to


      22        hamstring them simply because they've agreed to


      23        do everything.


      24             So they've obviously done their eight


      25        conditions.  I don't know if I need to do this





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       1        in TEU or do it here, but it probably is


       2        reasonable.  They've got a quarter million


       3        dollar fair share.  They've spent about 70- in


       4        engineering at our request.


       5             MR. DUGGAN:  Mr. Clark, just to clarify.


       6             That 250- obligation is over and above our


       7        fair share.  We haven't --


       8             MR. CLARK:  Over and above the fair share,


       9        right.


      10             So over and above the fair share, they're


      11        doing the 250- obligation.  It seems fair


      12        enough.  There's always risk in this.  I figure


      13        we could split the difference and we'll -- 35-


      14        of that we can take off and they'll eat the


      15        35-.  There's always risk in any development.


      16             But is that more of a TEU issue?


      17             MS. ELLER:  I believe that you could amend


      18        the fair share contract to give credit for the


      19        study that they have already -- they've already


      20        completed, because you would be able to show


      21        that that improvement would be part of what


      22        would offset the cost of the project itself.


      23             Does that sound acceptable, Wyman, to


      24        incorporate that credit provision in the fair


      25        share contract?  Or maybe you've already done





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       1        the fair share contract.


       2             MR. DUGGAN:  The fair share is already


       3        approved, and it's actually fairly old, a couple


       4        of years.


       5             The 250- obligation is over and above the


       6        fair share amount, and we've spent 70- so far


       7        pursuant to the obligation of the original PUD


       8        approval to do this engineering.


       9             My concern would be that River City


      10        Management Group has said they can't use our


      11        plans.  So essentially this $35,000 credit is


      12        more of an equitable arrangement because we


      13        spent the money in reliance -- we spent the 70-


      14        in reliance, but it sounds as if the City is


      15        going to get to use our plans.  At least


      16        according to River City, they don't want to use


      17        our plans.


      18             My concern is if we go to TEU to amend the


      19        fair share, somebody -- perhaps the council


      20        auditors are going to say, "Well, why are we


      21        giving them $35,000 credit for plans that we're


      22        not going to use?"  That's my concern.


      23             MS. ELLER:  It would be -- the forum would


      24        be some sort of credit-negotiated agreement that


      25        would go through TEU under our concurrency/fair





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       1        share process, not a part of, you know, this PUD


       2        process.  However, you know, as Wyman said, I


       3        don't know what that would look like.


       4             MR. CLARK:  Nor do I.  We'll just have


       5        to -- we'll have to go down that road in TEU


       6        because obviously it's not appropriate here, so


       7        we'll find a another way.


       8             But they've done everything we've asked of


       9        them.  And I would like to hear the eight


      10        conditions, the conditions that are on it, if we


      11        have them.


      12             MR. KELLY:  Yes, we do.


      13             Well, the first three conditions are


      14        essentially, the original -- "The development


      15        shall be subject to the original written legal


      16        description dated February 1, 2008."


      17             Condition number 2, The development shall


      18        be subject to the original written description


      19        dated April 30, 2007."


      20             Condition number 3, "The development shall


      21        subject to the original site plan dated April


      22        30, 2007."


      23             And the fourth condition references the


      24        Traffic Engineering memo.  And with regards to


      25        the conditions that were deleted, there are





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       1        numerous conditions -- I can list them out and


       2        then --


       3             Condition 1 was deleted, which prevented or


       4        denied access essentially to Bermuda Road from


       5        within the development.  That has since been


       6        struck.  There was originally approved -- as


       7        part of the PUD, they showed an alternate


       8        secondary access point to Bermuda Road, so that


       9        is no longer subject -- or part of the


      10        memorandum.


      11             Condition 2 relates to improvements to


      12        Cypress Drive, which the applicant is agreeable


      13        to the 24-foot pavement section with sidewalks


      14        between San Pablo Road and Cherry Avenue.


      15             Condition 3 deals with a left-turn lane to


      16        be provided on San Pablo Drive at the entrance


      17        driveway.  The turn lane will be designed to DOT


      18        standards based on the current design speed and


      19        require an overlay of the entire construction


      20        limits, also including extruded thermoplastic


      21        pavement markings and reflective pavement


      22        markers.


      23             The fourth condition of that memo, which is


      24        intact, is that the applicant will provide -- or


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       1        of on-site queuing prior to stopping for any


       2        gates at the entrance and a right-turn lane can


       3        be constructed in lieu of the on-site cuing.


       4             Condition 5, the applicant is agreeable


       5        to -- also deals with "the turn lanes shall be


       6        included as part of the ten-set submittal and


       7        construction shall be completed prior to


       8        issuance of a certificate of occupancy."


       9             Condition 6 and 7 both deal with


      10        identification signage, walls and fencing, not


      11        obstructing any horizontal sight distance, and


      12        that any proposed entrance signs shall be placed


      13        a minimum of 10 feet behind the stop bar.


      14             Condition 8, which was deleted, relating to


      15        their requirement to provide sidewalks, which is


      16        part of the overall three-laning and roadway


      17        improvements scheduled as part of the Better Jax


      18        Plan project for the widening, which is slated,


      19        I believe, now to be completed by 2010.


      20             And initially our denial, again -- just for


      21        purposes of kind of summarizing everything, our


      22        denial was really based upon the situation and


      23        the timing, and the department felt that the


      24        improvements and the infrastructure should be in


      25        place prior to the development, you know, going





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       1        in and getting the certificate of occupancy.


       2             And from a purely safety standpoint, we had


       3        really an issue with -- you know, we understood


       4        hamstringing and, you know, they're ready to


       5        go.  They've paid their fair share and they're


       6        basically ready to go and start building, and


       7        they've got approved ten-set plans.


       8             And so we came to the agreement at Planning


       9        Commission, after a lengthy discussion, that


      10        really the bottom line was that it was an


      11        operational safety issue and that, at a minimum,


      12        really we needed that left turn -- that


      13        southbound left-turn lane.  And the applicant


      14        has agreed to that.  And so, therefore, based on


      15        that, we've withdrawn our initial objection.


      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Thank you, Mr. Kelly.


      17             MR. DUGGAN:  Mr. Corrigan.


      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  Yes.


      19             MR. DUGGAN:  Can I be heard on just some


      20        comments on those conditions just to clarify for


      21        the record?


      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  Sure.


      23             MR. DUGGAN:  Thank you.


      24             First, I believe that the conditions of


      25        that Traffic Engineering memo were to be subject





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       1        to the review and approval of the Planning


       2        Department and the Public Works Department.


       3             MR. KELLY:  It is -- and this was per


       4        Dylan, and I agree with it.


       5             "The development shall be subject to the


       6        Development Services Division memorandum dated


       7        February 21, 2008, as attached, except for


       8        conditions 1 and 8 of said memorandum, or as


       9        otherwise approved by Planning and Development


      10        Department and the City engineer."


      11             MR. DUGGAN:  Okay.  And, secondly, what was


      12        the date of the written description that you


      13        referenced, Sean, in your early condition?


      14             MR. KELLY:  I had the original written


      15        description dated April 30, 2007.


      16             MR. DUGGAN:  Wouldn't you also want to


      17        reference the date of this rezoning's written


      18        description since you typically do that as a


      19        condition of a PUD approval?


      20             MS. ELLER:  (Inaudible.)


      21             MR. KELLY:  Okay.  Thank you.


      22             So we will amend condition 2, then, to


      23        reflect -- because there was no substantial


      24        changes in the original written description, but


      25        as modified, deleting that component





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       1        regarding --


       2             MR. DUGGAN:  (Nods head.)


       3             MR. KELLY:  Okay.  As modified by the


       4        revised written description dated December 19,


       5        2007.


       6             MS. ELLER:  Correct.


       7             MR. KELLY:  Thank you.


       8             MR. DUGGAN:  And then, lastly, the $250,000


       9        contribution obligation, that is strictly a


      10        zoning requirement.  That's unrelated to the


      11        fair share, and I would just submit that that is


      12        something we could address here tonight because


      13        TEU didn't impose it.  It wasn't part of the


      14        fair share.  It was imposed as part of the


      15        original zoning last year.


      16             So we could amend the condition that the


      17        developer pay that 250- by subtracting the 35-.


      18        So it'd be -- they'd pay 215-.


      19             That's just my suggestion as a quick and


      20        easy way to resolve it.


      21             MS. ELLER:  Are you still paying it?  I'm


      22        sorry.  I'm confused.


      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  Does anybody have any input


      24        on that?


      25             Councilmember Clark.





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       1             MR. CLARK:  I think that's the easiest way


       2        to do it.  If it's a part of the PUD, then we


       3        don't have to take it back through TEU.  And I


       4        don't think anybody wants to reengineer what the


       5        fair share would be.  I'm not sure that we could


       6        actually come up with the same number.


       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  Right.


       8             All right.  So I need a motion on the


       9        direction we want to move forward in.


      10             MR. SHAD:  Is that correct?


      11             MS. ELLER:  Mr. Chairman, you can roll it


      12        all into the same amendment.  It would just


      13        be -- the written description itself modified


      14        the original April 30, 2007, written description


      15        with a statement submitted December 19th.  And


      16        in that December 19th submittal, it removed the


      17        timing of the -- the improvements, but it


      18        retained the contribution amount at 250,000.


      19             So if you want to just reduce that dollar


      20        amount -- and as long as, you know, the Planning


      21        Department supports that, then that can become a


      22        new condition in the PUD.


      23             MR. CLARK:  Okay.


      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Do I have a


      25        motion?





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       1             MR. CLARK:  (Inaudible.)


       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.


       3             MR. CLARK:  The total is 250- minus 35-.


       4        Leaves you 215-.


       5             MR. KELLY:  And this would be due --


       6             MR. CLARK:  Above and beyond the fair share


       7        dollar.


       8             MR. KELLY:  Right.  And this would be


       9        payable at the time of building permit


      10        applications or --


      11             MR. DUGGAN:  I think we left that kind of


      12        vague around -- the first time around, but I


      13        assume that it would be paid at the same time


      14        the fair share had to be paid, which would be --


      15        we'd have to pay before we could get building


      16        permits.  So --


      17             MR. CLARK:  Correct.  Same time.


      18             Okay.  All right.  There we go.


      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  That's an amendment to


      20        approve based on --


      21             MR. CLARK:  Yeah.  Well, amendment to


      22        approve based on the amendment that they just


      23        gave.  So the amendment --


      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  Wrap it all in one amendment


      25        to approve.





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       1             MR. CLARK:  Yes.


       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Do I have a second?


       3             MR. SHAD:  Second.


       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  I have a motion and second


       5        on the amendment for -106.


       6             Any discussion on the amendment?


       7             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)


       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing none, all in favor


       9        signal by saying aye.


      10             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Aye.


      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  All opposed.


      12             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)


      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  The amendment carries.


      14             MR. CLARK:  Move the bill as amended.


      15             MR. YARBOROUGH:  Second.


      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on


      17        2008-106 as amendment.


      18             Seeing no discussion, open the ballot,


      19        record the vote.


      20             (Committee ballot opened.)


      21             MR. CLARK:  (Votes yea.)


      22             MR. CORRIGAN:  (Votes yea.)


      23             MS. JONES:  (Votes yea.)


      24             MR. SHAD:  (Votes yea.)


      25             MR. YARBOROUGH:  (Votes yea.)





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       1             (Committee ballot closed.)


       2             MS. LAHMEUR:  Five yeas, zero nays.


       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've just


       4        approved -106.


       5             Thank you, Mr. Duggan.


       6             MR. DUGGAN:  Thank you.


       7             Mr. Corrigan, I have the next matter.


       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  2008-107.  Open that


       9        public hearing.


      10             Wyman Duggan is our only card.


      11             MR. DUGGAN:  I'm available for questions.


      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing no questions for


      13        Mr. Duggan, we will close that public hearing.


      14             MR. YARBOROUGH:  Move the amendment.


      15             MR. SHAD:  Second.


      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  We don't even have an


      17        amendment.  We just need to move the bill.


      18             MR. CROFTS:  Yes, we do.


      19             MR. YARBOROUGH:  We have an amendment.


      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  We have an amendment.  I'm


      21        sorry.  Not on my agenda we don't.


      22             But we're on the amendment now.


      23             Any discussion -- an explanation of the


      24        amendment since I don't even know what this is.


      25             MR. CROFTS:  Yes, sir.





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       1             This amendment is unique to this particular


       2        development in the sense that we're going to be


       3        adding an annotated statement on the future land


       4        use map series that basically limits the


       5        development to seven dwelling units per acre on


       6        this particular tract of land, and we will


       7        include that statement in the ordinance and also


       8        substitute the map with that statement on it.


       9             Thank you.


      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Crofts.


      11             Mr. Duggan, do you agree with the


      12        amendment?


      13             MR. DUGGAN:  Yes, Mr. Chairman.


      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Thank you.


      15             Seeing no discussion, all in favor signal


      16        by saying aye.


      17             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Aye.


      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  All opposed.


      19             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)


      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  The amendment carries.


      21             MR. CLARK:  Move the bill as amended.


      22             MR. SHAD:  Second.


      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on


      24        2008-107 as amended.


      25             Seeing no discussion, open the ballot,





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       1        record the vote.


       2             (Committee ballot opened.)


       3             MR. CLARK:  (Votes yea.)


       4             MR. CORRIGAN:  (Votes yea.)


       5             MS. JONES:  (Votes yea.)


       6             MR. SHAD:  (Votes yea.)


       7             MR. YARBOROUGH:  (Votes yea.)


       8             (Committee ballot closed.)


       9             MS. LAHMEUR:  Five yeas, zero nays.


      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've


      11        approved 2008-107.


      12             Thank you, Wyman.


      13             MR. DUGGAN:  Thank you.


      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  Appreciate it.


      15             The next two items, item 36 and 37 on the


      16        agenda, 2008-108 and 2008-109, we're going to


      17        open both of those public hearings.


      18             Councilmember Jones came -- Warren Jones


      19        came to the agenda meeting just towards the end


      20        of it and said that he knew there was some


      21        questions and/or opposition to this and he was


      22        willing to have a meeting with the community


      23        before we tried to move this out of LUZ.


      24             I commend him for doing that, and I know we


      25        have several speakers here for the bill, but I'm





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       1        glad you're here because he did not know who he


       2        needed to contact.


       3             So let me open the public hearing on


       4        2008-108.  And I'll tell you, you're welcome to


       5        come and speak on the bill if you would like, or


       6        I can give your name and information to


       7        Councilmember Jones's office and he can contact


       8        you to set up a meeting with you and discuss it


       9        before it comes to this committee.


      10             We will not take action tonight on either


      11        one of these bills because your questions have


      12        not been satisfied, and I'm speaking to


      13        Mr. Bowler, Patrick Herbert, and Nick Humphress.


      14             So you're welcome to speak if you want to


      15        tonight, but your comments might be more


      16        effective after -- at the next meeting, after


      17        you have a meeting with Councilmember Jones.


      18             (Ms. Lee enters the proceedings.)


      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  Does any one of the three


      20        speakers wish to speak?


      21             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)


      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing none, I'll close the


      23        public hearing on -108.


      24             I'll open the public hearing on 2008- --


      25             Continue.  I'm sorry.  Excuse me.  I'll





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       1        continue the public hearing on 2008-108.


       2             And Councilwoman Lee has joined us.


       3             Good evening.


       4             Also 2008-109, I've opened that public


       5        hearing.  Had the same speaker cards, I believe,


       6        for that.  And seeing that they do not want to


       7        speak tonight, we'll continue that public


       8        hearing.


       9             You will -- to all three of you,


      10        Mr. Bowler, Mr. Herbert, and Mr. Humphress, you


      11        will have the opportunity to speak to us at


      12        future meetings on these particular two bills.


      13             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Thank you.


      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  And Councilmember Jones will


      15        be getting in contact with the three of you.


      16        And if you have others, when he contacts you,


      17        make sure you let him know.


      18             All right.  We are on item number 38,


      19        2008-110.  We'll open the public hearing.


      20             Seeing no speakers, we'll close that public


      21        hearing.


      22             Go to the Planning Department for their


      23        input, please.


      24             MR. KELLY:  Thank you.


      25             To the Chair, ordinance 2008-110 is an





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       1        application for waiver of road frontage.  The


       2        subject property is located at --


       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Kelly, let me interrupt


       4        you a second.


       5             Ma'am, did you need to speak to me about


       6        the two bills?


       7             Let me stop you one second, Sean.


       8             Which bill were you here on?


       9             (Audience member approaches the podium.)


      10             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  2008-110.


      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  -110.  Okay.  Let me -- did


      12        you fill a speaker card out, a blue card?


      13             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  I filled out -- no.  This


      14        sheet of paper (indicating).


      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Sean, let me put you


      16        on hold for a second.  Let me reopen that public


      17        hearing.


      18             Go ahead and speak.  And when we finish,


      19        the blue card, fill it out and turn it in when


      20        you finish.


      21             We're on 2008-110.  Go ahead.  Give your


      22        name and address and speak for three minutes.


      23             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Canetha Trussell, 2742


      24        Herschel Street.


      25             And I'm just available for questions.





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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Perfect.  Thank you.


       2             Stick around because if we have an


       3        amendment, I'll need you.


       4             Okay.  We'll close the public hearing.


       5             Mr. Kelly, continue.


       6             MR. KELLY:  Thank you.


       7             To the Chair and Committee, again, this is


       8        a waiver of road frontage request to reduce the


       9        required road frontage from 35 feet to 26.73


      10        feet.


      11             The subject property is located down in


      12        Julington Creek, located at the end of Micanope


      13        Lane.  It's classified as an approved private


      14        road.


      15             The subject property is on a cul-de-sac on


      16        the water.  And it was kind of unclear when we


      17        initially did the research to find out when this


      18        lot was actually recorded, but in all


      19        likelihood, it is a lot of record.  We just


      20        couldn't obtain that information.


      21             But, in this instance, the department is


      22        supportive of this request to reduce the


      23        required road frontage.  They do have a direct


      24        access to an approved private road.


      25             In addition, we felt that it met all the





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       1        criteria.  The lot has existed for some time.


       2        There's no diminishment of any property values,


       3        and it wouldn't alter the character of the


       4        area.  And this was not an attempt to circumvent


       5        the subdivision regulations.  And, therefore, we


       6        felt that this was very compatible with the


       7        surrounding development pattern and recommended


       8        approval.


       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Kelly.


      10             Do we have a motion on the bill?


      11             MR. CLARK:  Move to approve.


      12             MR. SHAD:  Second.


      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on the


      14        amendment to grant the waiver on -110.


      15             Seeing no discussion on the motion, all in


      16        favor signal by saying aye.


      17             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Aye.


      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  All opposed.


      19             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)


      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  The amendment carries.


      21             MR. CLARK:  Move the bill as amended.


      22             MR. SHAD:  Second.


      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on


      24        2008-110 as amended.


      25             Seeing no discussion, open the ballot and





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       1        record the vote.


       2             (Committee ballot opened.)


       3             MR. CLARK:  (Votes yea.)


       4             MR. CORRIGAN:  (Votes yea.)


       5             MS. LEE:  (Votes yea.)


       6             MS. JONES:  (Votes yea.)


       7             MR. SHAD:  (Votes yea.)


       8             MR. YARBOROUGH:  (Votes yea.)


       9             (Committee ballot closed.)


      10             MS. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nays.


      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you just


      12        approved 2008-110.


      13             Ma'am, did you fill out the blue card for


      14        us?


      15             MS. TRUSSELL:  Yes.


      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you.  Thank you for


      17        being here.  Appreciate it.


      18             MS. TRUSSELL:  Thank you.


      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  Committee members, items 39


      20        and 40, 2008-135 and -136, are both deferred.


      21             We're on page 13.  All those items will be


      22        deferred on page 13:  2008-137, -138, -139, and


      23        -140.


      24             We're on page 14 of your agenda.  All the


      25        items on that page will be deferred:  2008-141,





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       1        -142, -143, -144, and -145.


       2             Page 15, item 50, 2008-146 and -147, are


       3        both deferred.


       4             We are on item 52 on your agenda,


       5        2008-149.  We'll open that public hearing.


       6             Seeing no speakers, we will close that


       7        public hearing.


       8             We have an amendment.  Did the Planning


       9        Department want to explain the amendment to us?


      10             MR. YARBOROUGH:  Move the amendment.


      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  I have a motion.  Do I have


      12        a second on the amendment?


      13             MS. JONES:  Second.


      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on the


      15        amendment.


      16             MR. CROFTS:  Through the Chair, the


      17        amendment basically clarifies who has the


      18        authority to administer the code and it just


      19        puts the right designated position in the code


      20        that actually does the work into the ordinance.


      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  For the committee's


      22        information, this was approved by the TEU


      23        Committee today six to zero, so . . .


      24             A motion and second on the amendment.


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       1        saying aye.


       2             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Aye.


       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  All opposed.


       4             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)


       5             THE CHAIRMAN:  The amendment carries.


       6             MR. YARBOROUGH:  Move the bill as amended.


       7             MR. SHAD:  Second.


       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  I have a motion and second


       9        on 2008-149 as amended.


      10             Seeing no discussion, open the ballot and


      11        record the vote.


      12             (Committee ballot opened.)


      13             MR. CLARK:  (Votes yea.)


      14             MR. CORRIGAN:  (Votes yea.)


      15             MS. LEE:  (Votes yea.)


      16             MS. JONES:  (Votes yea.)


      17             MR. SHAD:  (Votes yea.)


      18             MR. YARBOROUGH:  (Votes yea.)


      19             (Committee ballot closed.)


      20             MS. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nays.


      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've


      22        approved 2008-149.


      23             Item 53, 2008-170, we'll open that public


      24        hearing.


      25             Seeing no speakers, we'll continue that





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       1        public hearing with no further action.


       2             Page 16, the final page of our agenda,


       3        2008-171.  We will open that public hearing.


       4             Seeing no speakers, we'll continue that


       5        public hearing.


       6             Item 55, 2008-192, is read second and


       7        referred.  And just for the community's input,


       8        there will be a town meeting this coming


       9        Thursday, March 20, 6:00 p.m., at St. Paul's


      10        Church on Park Street to address the community's


      11        questions on this particular bill.


      12             That is all the items I have on my agenda.


      13        Is there any action for items from the


      14        committee?


      15             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)


      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing none, thank you for


      17        your cooperation.


      18             We are adjourned.


      19             (The above proceedings were adjourned at


      20        5:52 p.m.)


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       3   STATE OF FLORIDA:


       4   COUNTY OF DUVAL :




       6             I, Diane M. Tropia, certify that I was


       7   authorized to and did stenographically report the


       8   foregoing proceedings and that the transcript is a


       9   true and complete record of my stenographic notes.


      10             Dated this 22nd day of March, 2008.








      14                                 Diane M. Tropia



























           Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203