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6 Proceedings held on Tuesday, August 17,
7 2010, commencing at 5:00 p.m., City Hall, Council
8 Chambers, 1st Floor,
9 Diane M. Tropia, a Notary Public in and for the State
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12 PRESENT:
13 JOHN CRESCIMBENI, Chair.
RAY HOLT, Vice Chair.
14 WILLIAM BISHOP, Committee Member.
DON REDMAN, Committee Member.
15 STEPHEN JOOST, Committee Member.
REGGIE BROWN, Committee Member.
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17 ALSO PRESENT:
18 JOHN CROFTS, Deputy Director, Planning Dept.
SEAN KELLY, Chief, Current Planning.
19 KEN AVERY, Planning and Development Dept.
DYLAN REINGOLD, Office of General Counsel.
20 RICK CAMPBELL, Research Assistant.
MERRIANE LAHMEUR, Legislative Assistant.
21 SHARONDA DAVIS, Legislative Assistant.
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1 P R O C E E D I N G S
2 August 17, 2010 5:00 p.m.
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4 THE CHAIRMAN: Good evening, everyone.
5 We're going to call the August 17th
6 Land Use and Zoning Committee to order.
7 And to begin with, we'll go around the dais
8 and have everyone introduce themselves, starting
9 with Mr. Crofts, who is not in his seat, so,
10 Mr. Kelly, if you will pick up the slack there.
11 MR. KELLY: Sean Kelly, Planning and
12 Development.
13 MR. AVERY: Ken Avery, Planning and
14 Development.
15 MR. REINGOLD: Dylan Reingold with the
16 Office of General Counsel.
17 MR. JOOST: Stephen Joost, City Council.
18 THE CHAIRMAN: I'm John Crescimbeni, the
19 chairman.
20 MR. BISHOP: Bill Bishop, District 2.
21 MR. REDMAN: Don Redman, District 4.
22 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. Mr. Avery, if you
23 will switch signs with the seat next to you on
24 the left or switch seats, we'll get you
25 straightened out there.
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1 Mr. Reingold, would you like to begin with
2 the LUZ statement? I know you look forward to
3 that, so -- your time is here.
4 MR. REINGOLD: I would be delighted to,
5 sir.
6 MR. REINGOLD: Anybody who would like to
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1 limited to the issues brought up by the
2 speakers.
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13 And I would also finally like the record to
14 reflect that we have had Councilmember Holt and
15 Councilmember Brown join our committee.
16 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Mr. Reingold.
17 And we also have a former council member in
18 the audience. Councilmember Suzanne Jenkins is
19 with us tonight.
20 Thank you for being here.
21 All right. We're going to take a couple of
22 items out of order to begin with, so if I could
23 get the committee to turn to page 11, we have a
24 presentation from Lisa Ransom of the Planning
25 Department on items 37 and 38, vision plans for
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1 the Urban Core and the Southeast Planning
2 District respectively.
3 Ms. Ransom, if you would like to come up.
4 (Ms. Ransom approaches the podium.)
5 THE CHAIRMAN: And if you have any
6 questions, if you will just hold those to the
7 conclusion of her presentation -- it should last
8 about ten minutes -- and then we will take these
9 two items up out of order.
10 Ms. Ransom.
11 MS. RANSOM: Thank you, Mr. Chairman,
12 members of the LUZ, staff, and the public.
13 My name is Lisa Ransom. I'm the project
14 manager for the vision plan ordinances 2010-614
15 and -615. Today I'll be presenting both of the
16 vision plans for the Southeast District and the
17 Urban Core District, but before I do that, I
18 would appreciate just a few moments to introduce
19 those staff members and members of the public
20 that participated in this two- to
21 three-year-long process.
22 We have in the audience, I believe,
23 Frank Morgan, the Chair of the Southeast
24 District Vision Plan.
25 Can he please stand?
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1 AUDIENCE MEMBER: (Complies.)
2 MS. RANSOM: And if there are any other
3 Southeast Steering Committee members, would you
4 also please stand --
5 AUDIENCE MEMBERS: (Comply.)
6 THE CHAIRMAN: -- to acknowledge you?
7 I just want to acknowledge them and thank
8 them for their two years of hard work during
9 this process.
10 We also have in the audience Paul Tutwiler,
11 the Chair of the Urban Core Vision Plan. You
12 probably already know Mr. Tutwiler. He's very
13 prominent in the community and works very hard.
14 And also -- do we have any of our other
15 District 1 vision plan -- we have Cherry Shaw,
16 who was a member of our steering committee as
17 well.
18 These are the true heroes of this process.
19 We were charged with making this process --
20 maximum public participation. We had many weeks
21 of meetings, and I'll go over that in a little
22 bit more detail, but I also wanted to
23 acknowledge our staff members present.
24 Adrianne Lathrop is not here presently, but
25 she's been involved with the Urban Core. She
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1 facilitated those meetings.
2 And Amy Holliman is our Greater
3 staff member, and we'll be bringing that plan to
4 you in a few weeks.
5 So I'd like to thank all of the staff
6 members and our steering committee members for
7 their participation. Without them, we would not
8 have these two plans before you.
9 THE CHAIRMAN: Ms. Ransom, let me interrupt
10 for just a second and also extend the
11 appreciation of the committee for those citizens
12 that participated on these programs. Your
13 participation was very valuable and your time
14 commitment was greatly appreciated.
15 I know that I had some interaction with the
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18 and drawn out, so I appreciate the efforts.
19 We don't have a public hearing scheduled on
20 these two items tonight, again, items 37 and 38;
21 however, if anyone wishes to take a -- I'm going
22 to restrict the comments to -- I'm going to ask
23 you to be brief, but if you do want to address
24 the committee, just fill out one of these yellow
25 speakers' cards (indicating) and just drop it in
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1 the basket prior to Ms. Ransom's -- the
2 conclusion of her presentation.
3 Thank you, Ms. Ransom. If you will
4 continue.
5 MS. RANSOM: Thank you.
6 I will be brief.
7 As you already know, we have three plans
8 that we've done for
9 North, Northwest, and Southwest that we
10 completed around 2003. These three, the
11 Urban Core, Southeast, and
12 complete the county.
13 Shaping the vision for the city's
14 development future was a goal of the mayor and
15 it was one of the ten principles for managing
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17 Mayor's growth task force committee.
18 As I mentioned, we had public
19 participation, starting from 2007. We had a bus
20 tour of all three districts, we met with council
21 members, CPAC chairs.
22 In February of 2008, we held community
23 forums to discuss the project and we had a
24 consultant that met with various stakeholders.
25 We began this visioning process for each of
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1 the districts with four community charettes in
2 each of the districts that were held on both
3 weekdays and Saturdays. We also took all of
4 this information gathered from the charettes and
5 used it to create the building blocks for each
6 of these vision plans, which we call the five
7 guiding principles.
8 We had the community charettes, as I
9 mentioned, in various parts of the community.
10 We have photographs from each one of those
11 districts. We kept our records to -- just to
12 show that we did go out into the community as
13 much as possible. We took their ideas and they
14 developed into diagrams that illustrated the
15 vision and the ideas that would move forward to
16 create sketches that actually visualize the
17 ideas that came out of the charettes.
18 We have ideas for more retail, more public
19 access to the riverfront, and different
20 varieties of transit. They're all building
21 blocks for the plans.
22 The purpose of the plans is to determine
23 how we should grow in the future. These
24 district plans are supposed to be plans at a
25 30,000-foot level. They're not neighborhood
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1 plans; they're districtwide plans. They're
2 meant to be guiding documents for more specific
3 future planning efforts and capital improvements
4 throughout the districts. They're meant to
5 shape the new comprehensive plan, the 2030 plan,
6 and help to manage growth for years to come.
7 We also had existing conditions, a lot of
8 data that you will not see in these plans, but
9 those existing condition reports are available
10 online if you care to read them.
11 The five guiding principles are a framework
12 for directing growth toward commercial corridors
13 and away from existing neighborhoods with an aim
14 towards preserving the existing character and
15 scale of neighborhoods.
16 And now I'll begin with the five guiding
17 principles for the Urban Core.
18 Capitalize on the Urban Core's uniqueness.
19 As you can see, we have major economic drivers
20 in the Urban Core. Many of them are not even
21 shown on this slide. Unfortunately, the
22 Urban Core has lost population since 1990.
23 However, the Urban Core is still the most dense,
24 with eight people per acre.
25 The plan for the Urban Core shows that
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1 there's ample room for growth, however, and the
2 vision plan for the Urban Core also acknowledges
3 all the preceding studies that have been done.
4 We incorporated all the information and all the
5 recommendations from the neighborhood studies
6 and brought them into the vision for the entire
7 district.
8 The Urban Core's uniqueness also underlines
9 the historic resources. The areas that you see
10 outlined in blue are all areas that have been
11 surveyed -- they're all buildings that have been
12 surveyed for historic character, for potential
13 for historic designation, and also for
14 conservation districts.
15 If we decide to use these methods for
16 preserving neighborhoods, we would also preserve
17 the distinctive character that each of these
18 neighborhoods has. You can see in the middle,
19 the red is already the
20 that already is designated for historic
21 character. We hope to revitalize some of these
22 surrounding neighborhoods within the entire
23 Urban Core.
24 And this slide shows the warehouse
25 district. It's a part of the neighborhoods
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1 north of downtown, and we would like to
2 capitalize on the uniqueness and bring
3 excitement, activity, and just more people into
4 the Urban Core. That's part of what the
5 neighbors wanted.
6 The next principle, number two, is promote
7 mixed use, mixed income, redevelopment, and
8 infill. Here you'll see a rendering of the
9 potential reuse of the Ford plant. It's
10 grandiose, it's large, it's exciting, it uses
11 commercial, it uses retail, and it uses the
12 existing plant. On the bottom right, you'll see
13 a photograph of what's there now and the drawing
14 shows what it could possibly be.
15 It's also an existing brownfields site.
16 One of the ideas that came out of the charettes
17 was to reuse large tracts of vacant land, for
18 instance, Commodore Point.
19 Here you see the before and after. They're
20 ideas, but it's visioning. That's why we're
21 here. So we're promoting more mixed use,
22 particularly of the brownfields sites within and
23 throughout the Urban Core district.
24 Providing a variety of transportation
25 choices is principle three. Here you see a map
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1 of transit opportunities that will go throughout
2 the downtown, throughout the Urban Core, and
3 bring the surrounding neighborhoods into the
4 downtown. That was one of the things that they
5 talked about, connecting surrounding
6 neighborhoods into the downtown and giving a
7 variety of transportation, and making
8 neighborhoods more walkable is also a part of
9 the character that they want to bring about.
10 They want to make neighborhoods safe, they want
11 to make neighborhoods walkable. That was one of
12 the other things. Connecting the neighborhoods
13 downtown they felt would make them safer and
14 make them more walkable.
15 Principal four is to provide for economic
16 growth. This speaks for itself, but we also
17 wanted to identify that the plan recognizes and
18 supports JEDC as the primary resource for
19 economic development within the city. This
20 principle reinforces that for the Urban Core.
21 As you can see, we also have photographs of
22 major drivers.
23 And, finally, principle five is to expand,
24 protect, and enhance open space. We have a
25 wonderful natural resource throughout the
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1 county, throughout the city, our river, and we
2 want to make it more walkable, more accessible,
3 and to enhance it so that more people can enjoy
4 it.
5 And, finally, for the Urban Core, they see
6 a central park theme as one of the gateways into
7 the Urban Core district. This is a potential
8 reuse, expansion, and it works with our
9 Parks Department in revitalizing the
10 Hogan's Creek park system that we already have,
11 taking what's already there and just expanding
12 upon that.
13 This is the Urban Core Vision Plan. If you
14 have any questions -- or if you'd like me to
15 pause here or I can continue to the Southeast.
16 THE CHAIRMAN: Any questions from the
17 committee on the Urban Core plan?
18 COMMITTEE MEMBERS: (No response.)
19 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. Seeing none,
20 Ms. Ransom, if you will move on to the
21 Southeast.
22 MS. RANSOM: Okay. The Southeast is a
23 large area with many different neighborhoods.
24 This map here shows potential redevelopment for
25 the entire district. It will be talked about
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1 more thoroughly throughout the vision plan, but
2 the Southeast district itself is approximately
3 90,000 acres or 140 square miles. It can be
4 compared to the size of the city of
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6 One of the things that the first principle
7 talks about, capitalizing on the Southeast's
8 uniqueness, is that there are several different
9 neighborhoods that are unique to the Southeast.
10 We have urban neighborhoods, we have suburban
11 neighborhoods. So there are a variety of
12 neighborhoods, but each one of them, we need to
13 capture and protect those characteristics which
14 makes that neighborhood distinctive, those
15 features that make it unique and to its own. So
16 we have a lot of work to do to encourage
17 development, but yet to utilize those unique
18 characteristics for each neighborhood, and here
19 are just some examples.
20 But each neighborhood would like to
21 encourage their sense of place. That was one of
22 the major things that we discussed in the
23 Southeast.
24 We also have riverfront access, and we
25 would like to expand upon public access to the
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1 river within the Southeast.
2 Principle two is very similar to the
3 Urban Core's, and that's promote mixed use,
4 mixed income, redevelopment of infill. Here you
5 see a variety of commercial opportunities, mixed
6 use, mixed income, and utilizing existing
7 shopping centers within the Southeast that can
8 be expanded and could be built upon. So that's
9 development that can be expanded upon.
10 I think I missed a slide.
11 This is the potential redevelopment of
13 sidewalks, crosswalks, bikeways, and
14 landscaping. It makes it more walkable, more
15 pleasant to the pedestrian, as well as expands
16 upon existing commercial and infill.
17 Our third principle is connecting
18 transportation choices and enhancing mobility.
19 One of the things we talked about in the
20 Southeast was to have more east-west
21 connectivity. But if you notice on the left of
22 the map, you see the pink line. That's a water
23 taxi. That came out in all three of the vision
24 plans, the Urban Core, Southeast, and Greater
25 Arlington/Beaches talks about adding water
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1 taxis. So everyone is talking about and wants
2 to see a greater variety of transportation
3 opportunities within the city.
4 Principle four, again, is provide for
5 economic growth. We need to expand upon what's
6 there, we need to improve upon it, we need to
7 create some connectivity and to allow for
8 development, but also that enhances the existing
9 neighborhoods. I think we're hearing that more
10 and more, but we're also seeing it now as a
11 potential redevelopment opportunity within the
12 Southeast as well.
13 And principle four -- principle five, I'm
14 sorry, is providing for conservation, parks, and
15 open space. Again, the neighbors, the community
16 is saying we need to provide for a conservation
17 of our open space, we need to improve on our
18 parks, and we need to make it more accessible to
19 the water.
20 Here, again, is another slide that shows
21 potential redevelopment of existing park space
22 and provide for new park space.
23 And, finally, our -- again, our slide on
25 Southeast district talked about enhancing
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1 community participation, enhancing retail, not
2 just for one type of constituent. It would have
3 to be for family-friendly, it would have to be
4 for young people, but just basically bringing
5 more people into more commercial centers and to
6 allow for mixed use and mixed opportunity.
7 These are the Urban Core and Southeast
8 plans. If you have any questions, I'll stand by
9 for those, but thank you very much for your
10 attention.
11 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Ms. Ransom.
12 Any questions for Ms. Ransom on the
13 Southeast Vision Plan?
14 MR. BISHOP: (Indicating.)
15 THE CHAIRMAN: Mr. Bishop.
16 MR. BISHOP: Ms. Ransom, these are some
17 pretty good products here, it looks to me, but I
18 have one quick question, mainly because we're
19 going to be getting Arlington/Beaches here
20 pretty soon and the Southeast ties into the
21 southern end of it along
22 I'm just curious. What kind of
23 coordination, if any, is there between the
24 vision plans where they hit each other?
25 MS. RANSOM: Well, we have the same
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1 consultant, so we -- and we have the same team,
2 so we're looking at the recommendations for the
3 transportation using our Transportation
4 Department. We're using the same departments to
5 review all the documents, so we're making sure
6 that the recommendations don't conflict with
7 each other.
8 MR. BISHOP: Okay. So was there any cases
9 where you would get conflicting desires on one
10 side of a line versus the other along a major
11 corridor like that? And, if so, how did you
12 resolve that?
13 MS. RANSOM: The only potential conflict
14 was in the transit issue.
15 has -- has a different opinion on what level of
16 transportation should be used on which roads,
17 but we're deferring to Transportation and JTA
18 for that, so -- and I don't -- I don't have a
19 copy of it in front of me, I don't have it
20 formalized, but there was some discussion on
21 whether or not commuter rail versus just JTA,
22 moving forward with that.
23 MR. BISHOP: I guess we'll take that up
24 when we deal with
25 MS. RANSOM: Yeah, but we're going to --
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1 we're going to defer to our transportation and
2 our mobility plan. So we took everything and we
3 went back to the mobility plan.
4 MR. BISHOP: I didn't mean to turn this
5 into a discussion about Arlington/Beaches, which
6 we'll get to when we -- when that one comes up,
7 because I have some concerns about your answer
8 that you gave me right now with respect to that
9 in the
10 centered on what you did with -- if there were
11 any conflicts between them, and you're basically
12 saying there weren't any or you resolved them
13 internally with the consultant?
14 MS. RANSOM: Right.
15 Yeah, and there really weren't any specific
16 conflicts because of the 30,000-foot-level
17 plan.
18 I think, as you can see with Urban Core and
19 Southeast, without even knowing that the five
20 guiding principles were the same until I
21 actually put the presentation together, they
22 were -- the subprinciples start to change, but
23 the guiding principles have remained the same
24 since we started, but there's really been no
25 conflicts. You know, people want parks. We're
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1 deferring to the Parks Department to plan.
2 Where people want walkability, the -- the
3 principles are so broad, it doesn't get down to
4 a specific what should happen on this street or
5 what should happen on that street, so there's
6 really no conflict in those areas.
7 And since I've been to almost, not all the
8 meetings, but I've been to many of the meetings
9 and looked at all of the plans, I haven't seen
10 any conflicts, but -- but the ideas of where
11 transportation should go has come up and it's
12 been different for each -- it's been different
13 for each of the steering committees. Each
14 steering committee has had different ideas, but
15 they've all recognized that the mobility plan is
16 there and it's in place and we're using that as
17 a guideline.
18 MR. BISHOP: Okay. Thank you.
19 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Mr. Bishop.
20 Mr. Redman has a question.
21 MR. REDMAN: No question. I just wanted to
22 thank each of those that participated in the --
23 I attended meetings in each of these areas from
24 time to time and there's a lot of interactive
25 work going on and a lot of participation, so I
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1 just want to thank each of you for the hard work
2 that you put into this.
3 MS. RANSOM: Thank you.
4 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Mr. Redman.
5 Seeing no other speakers -- again, we have
6 no public hearings that were scheduled this
7 evening for 37 and 38, but I will -- we do have
8 some speaker cards, so we will take up item 37
9 first. I have one speaker card.
10 Mr. Tutwiler, if you would like to come
11 forward.
12 (Audience member approaches the podium.)
13 THE CHAIRMAN: And, again, if -- we
14 normally allow three minutes, but if you could
15 be brief, that would be appreciated.
16 AUDIENCE MEMBER: Paul Tutwiler, 3117
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18 I stand in support of the Urban Core Vision
19 Plan. We took about two years to meet. We met
20 regularly, met in various parts of the
21 district.
22 Every great city has a great downtown and
23 the surrounding communities. It's certainly an
24 early impression for visitors. We spent a lot
25 of time with that impression to talk about how
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1 we could work together and to improve that, and
2 I think the staff did a dynamic job of guiding
3 the process. I just wanted to just say that I
4 really appreciate it and I was very fortunate to
5 be a part of a great group.
6 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Mr. Tutwiler.
7 Any questions from the committee?
8 COMMITTEE MEMBERS: (No response.)
9 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, sir, for your
10 contributions.
11 All right. I have no other speaker cards
12 for item 37, 2010-614.
13 Is there a motion?
14 MR. HOLT: Move the bill.
15 MR. BISHOP: Second.
16 THE CHAIRMAN: Motion and a second on the
17 bill.
18 Any discussion?
19 COMMITTEE MEMBERS: (No response.)
20 THE CHAIRMAN: If not, open the ballot
21 vote.
22 (Committee ballot opened.)
23 MR. CRESCIMBENI: (Votes yea.)
24 MR. HOLT: (Votes yea.)
25 MR. BISHOP: (Votes yea.)
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1 MR. BROWN: (Votes yea.)
2 MR. JOOST: (Votes yea.)
3 MR. REDMAN: (Votes yea.)
4 (Committee ballot closed.)
5 THE CHAIRMAN: Mr. Reingold.
6 MR. REINGOLD: To the Chair, just for the
7 assistance of our court reporter, do you recall
8 who made the motion and second?
9 THE CHAIRMAN: I'm sorry it was Mr. Holt
10 who made the motion and second by Mr. Bishop.
11 MS. LAHMEUR: Six yeas, zero nay.
12 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. Thank you.
13 And on item 38, 2010-615, again, no
14 scheduled public hearing, but I do have four
15 speaker cards, so if you will be brief in your
16 comments.
17 The first speaker is Frank Morgan.
18 (Audience member approaches the podium.)
19 THE CHAIRMAN: State your name and address
20 for the record, Mr. Morgan.
21 AUDIENCE MEMBER: Yes. My name is Frank
22 Morgan.
I live at 7968 Los
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24 The Southeast or District 3 vision plan is
25 the result of hundreds of hours of research and
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1 deliberation over a period of 18 months by a
2 highly diverse committee of volunteer residents
3 of the district. The steering committee
4 included neighborhood leaders, as well as
5 business people, real estate developers, and
6 environmentalists.
7 I'll skip over a lot of that that would
8 have repeated what Lisa has told you, but as
9 Chair of the vision plan steering committee, I'd
10 like to thank each and every member who gave
11 tirelessly of their time and efforts and ask you
12 to honor them by supporting the adoption of
13 their vision plan for this district.
14 Thank you.
15 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Mr. Morgan.
16 Any questions for Mr. Morgan?
17 COMMITTEE MEMBERS: (No response.)
18 THE CHAIRMAN: Our next speaker is
19 Janet Stanko, followed by Ms. Jenkins.
20 (Audience member approaches the podium.)
21 THE CHAIRMAN: Ms. Stanko.
22 AUDIENCE MEMBER: Hi.
23 My name is Janet Stanko. I live at 13953
25 I have participated on the Southeast vision
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1 steering committee and also am a campaign
2 organizer for Amendment 4, and I see a huge
3 connection between the vision plan, the
4 resulting comp plan, and passage of Amendment 4
5 in November.
6 I feel privileged to have participated in
7 this process and thank Lisa Ransom, along with
8 the other staff members, for their leadership in
9 this process, and I'm here to support the vision
10 plan and the resulting comprehensive land use
11 plan.
12 Our comp plan is a blueprint for how land
13 will be used now and going into the future and
14 it balances the needs of all the stakeholders in
15 the community, and I know you're all very
16 familiar with the huge undertaking and the huge
17 balancing act and coordination that it
18 represents. The Southeast Vision Plan is just
19 the beginning of that process, and I look
20 forward to seeing the comp plan.
21 I and others on the Southeast Vision
22 Committee fervently hope that the -- the vision
23 in our Southeast plan and as it carries through
24 to the comp plan will be respected going forward
25 and not be changed willy-nilly by developers.
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1 In 2009, there were 37 changes to our comp
2 plan. That is too many. Now that we have a
3 brand-new comp plan coming up, it will be
4 relevant to our -- the needs of our community
5 and less likely need to be changed.
6 Amendment 4 gives voters --
7 THE CHAIRMAN: Ms. Stanko, we're on
8 item 38, which is about the vision plan. I'm
9 going to ask you to curtail your remarks to the
10 vision plan, not Amendment 4, if you would,
11 please.
12 MS. STANKO: Okay. Well, I'll just say
13 that there is a very good compatibility between
14 the vision plan, the comp plan, and Amendment 4,
15 and I feel privileged to have been able to take
16 part -- participate in this process.
17 Thank you.
18 THE CHAIRMAN: If you would like to remain
19 until the conclusion of the meeting, I'll -- I
20 always invite folks to address the committee on
21 whatever topic. You can talk to us about
22 Amendment 4 at the end if you'd like.
23 MS. STANKO: Okay. Thank you.
24 THE CHAIRMAN: Our next speaker -- any
25 questions for Ms. Stanko?
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1 COMMITTEE MEMBERS: (No response.)
2 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. Our next speaker
3 is Ms. Jenkins, followed by Bill Kintz.
4 (Ms. Jenkins approaches the podium.)
5 MS. JENKINS: Thank you, Mr. Chairman and
6 committee.
7 Suzanne Jenkins,
8
9 I just wanted to come up and say thank you
10 to Lisa and all the staff. And we were not an
11 easy group to always work with. We argued a
12 lot. We had environmentalists and people in
13 favor of Amendment 4 and we have -- we had
14 developers and people against Amendment 4 on our
15 committee, and so there were always some very
16 lively discussions, but our true hearts were for
17 the city and for our side of the city that --
18 and how it connected, Councilman Bishop, to
19 District 2 because we do share lines along
21 We worked long and hard about that. We had
22 many meetings, but we never left the room
23 without coming to a consensus and agreement on
24 the issues and how we felt about them and how we
25 wanted them portrayed to the consultant and in
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1 this plan.
2 You will see a letter in there in the
3 beginning that identifies the things that were
4 important to us that we wanted to impart to
5 you. I hope you'll read them. And when it gets
6 down to brass tacks and intent, what did we mean
7 when we said -- and when you have to apply the
8 rubber to the road, I hope you come back to this
9 and look at the intent that we saw, even at
10 30,000 feet, and what we were trying to
11 accomplish.
12 I wish I had this when I sat over there on
13 that side for those eight years. It would have
14 relieved me of some of the hard ones you have to
15 make when you're not sure which way to go and
16 what the intent was meant when the bill was
17 written.
18 So thank you for your time in listening to
19 us, thank Lisa and staff.
20 And Bill Killingsworth has been an awesome
21 leader on this all. He was there throughout,
22 guiding us and encouraging us.
23 And I appreciate your vote in support of
24 it.
25 Thank you.
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1 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Ms. Jenkins.
2 Any questions for Ms. Jenkins?
3 COMMITTEE MEMBERS: (No response.)
4 THE CHAIRMAN: Ms. Jenkins, if you think
5 your group had lively discussions, you should
6 come to the Arlington/Beaches --
7 MS. JENKINS: Yes, sir. They invited me
8 and I declined.
9 THE CHAIRMAN: If your group reached
10 consensus, we may hire you as, like, a mediator
11 for the --
12 MS. JENKINS: Well, I'm always available,
13 but they -- I am aware.
14 Thank you.
15 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you for your service.
16 Mr. Kintz.
17 (Audience member approaches the podium.)
18 THE CHAIRMAN: I hope I'm pronouncing your
19 name correctly.
20 AUDIENCE MEMBER: Yes. It's Bill Kintz.
21 My address is
22
23 I just want to keep my comments very
24 brief. I really felt privileged being on the
25 committee -- the visioning committee for the
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1 Southeast.
2 Just a bit of history about -- I think it
3 was about four or five years ago that
4 Mayor Peyton commissioned the Growth Management
5 Task Force. And as head of the Kernan
6 Coalition, we were quite involved in that. We
7 met with Bob Rhodes, who many of you know -- all
8 of you know. And one of the things that we
9 called to mind was that -- there was a verse in
10 Proverbs that -- without a vision, people
11 perish. And we -- just out of curiosity, we
12 told Bob that we Googled "
13 "vision" and we came up with a hundred hits for
14 optometrists.
15 Well, we can't say that now. We really do
16 have a vision, and I'm really proud and
17 privileged to have served with such a great
18 group. And everything that Suzanne and my
19 colleagues have said I can affirm. We really
20 struggled with this vision because we did it
21 with passion. We had a great deal of enthusiasm
22 and hope about this.
23 But I just wanted, again, to recognize Lisa
24 Ransom and Bill Killingsworth, and especially to
25 Frank Morgan and my colleagues for a job well
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1 done. And I hope that we now have growth
2 leadership and visioning forward and that this
3 will be a plan and a template that as we go
4 forth in the next 20, 30 years and beyond that
5
6 our group -- not only our group in the Southeast
7 but all the other groups have envisioned for the
8 city and for the citizens of
9 Duval County.
10 Thank you.
11 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, sir.
12 Any questions for Mr. Kintz?
13 COMMITTEE MEMBERS: (No response.)
14 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, sir.
15 Appreciate your service.
16 All right. Item 38, 2010-615, do I have a
17 motion?
18 MR. HOLT: Move the bill.
19 MR. REDMAN: Second.
20 THE CHAIRMAN: Motion by Mr. Holt, second
21 by Mr. Redman.
22 Any discussion?
23 COMMITTEE MEMBERS: (No response.)
24 THE CHAIRMAN: If not, open the ballot and
25 vote.
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1 (Committee ballot opened.)
2 MR. CRESCIMBENI: (Votes yea.)
3 MR. HOLT: (Votes yea.)
4 MR. BISHOP: (Votes yea.)
5 MR. BROWN: (Votes yea.)
6 MR. JOOST: (Votes yea.)
7 MR. REDMAN: (Votes yea.)
8 (Committee ballot closed.)
9 MS. LAHMEUR: Six yeas, zero nay.
10 THE CHAIRMAN: By your action, you have
11 approved item 38, 2010-615.
12 And, again, everyone that participated --
13 Ms. Ransom, staff, volunteers, citizens -- thank
14 you for your service on this. Two good work
15 products.
16 All right. We're going to return to page 2
17 of the agenda. Item 1 will be deferred this
18 evening; however, we do have a scheduled public
19 hearing. The public hearing is open.
20 Is anyone here to address the committee?
21 (Audience member approaches the podium.)
22 THE CHAIRMAN: Mr. Abraham, you will need
23 to fill out a yellow speaker's card at the
24 conclusion of your remarks and leave it in the
25 basket, but you're welcome to address the
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1 committee. And this item is being -- will be
2 deferred at the request of Council President
3 Webb.
4 AUDIENCE MEMBER: Thank you, Chairman
5 Crescimbeni.
6 I had previously filled out a card --
7 THE CHAIRMAN: Sorry. I do have it now. I
8 just didn't have it.
9 AUDIENCE MEMBER: No problem.
10 Thank you for the ability to address the
11 council tonight.
12 This application was submitted in April,
13 and with a -- the assistance of the Planning
14 Department, we revised the application to
15 RLD-80. The property was previously zoned PUD.
16 It was a property taken by a bank in foreclosure
17 and subsequently purchased by our client after
18 another purchase, and thus far we have had no
19 objection to the application.
20 I was led to understand today that there
21 would be a deferral, and I have reached out to
22 Councilman Webb's office to determine the source
23 of any controversy because at this point we've
24 had no opposition whatsoever. So my client is
25 anxious to move on with their project and we're
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1 anxious to find out what the concerns may be.
2 So we would ask that the application be
3 proceeded as quickly as possible.
4 I'll be happy to answer any questions that
5 you might have.
6 THE CHAIRMAN: Any questions from the
7 committee?
8 COMMITTEE MEMBERS: (No response.)
9 THE CHAIRMAN: Seeing none, thank you
10 Mr. Abraham.
11 You may want to stick around because I have
12 two cards from two others who have marked
13 opposition, so that may shed some light on --
14 AUDIENCE MEMBER: That would be helpful.
15 THE CHAIRMAN: -- the problem. Okay?
16 AUDIENCE MEMBER: Thank you.
17 THE CHAIRMAN: And, Mr. Kelly, we're going
18 to hold off on your report. You'll address this
19 issue in two weeks -- actually, it will be two
20 weeks and one day. We meet on a Wednesday in
21 September because of the Labor Day holiday, but
22 we'll take this issue back up then, pending, you
23 know, no further request from the council
24 president, who is also the district councilman
25 in this matter.
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1 AUDIENCE MEMBER: Yes, sir.
2 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. Thank you,
3 Mr. Abraham.
4 AUDIENCE MEMBER: Thank you.
5 THE CHAIRMAN: My next speaker is Angela
6 Cole, followed by
7 If y'all would make your way forward.
8 (Audience member approaches the podium.)
9 AUDIENCE MEMBER: Hello. Good evening.
10
11 Appreciate your [sic] opportunity to speak
12 this evening.
13 We have been in opposition to this since
14 its inception. We've been at several meetings
15 where the meetings have been deferred, so our
16 opportunity to speak, I guess, has not been made
17 known to Mr. Abraham, but he is incorrect in
18 believing that somebody is not in opposition to
19 this.
20 I've expressed that to the -- I believe
21 it's the owner's real estate agent, Mike Ashidi
22 (phonetic) or Asichi (phonetic), I'm not sure
23 how to pronounce his last name, but he sent us a
24 letter April 13th asking me if we would be
25 interested in selling our property, upon which
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1 he goes on to say that he would make a serious
2 offer. Once we received his offer, clearly it
3 was not serious, and I expressed that to him.
4 And then in the past weeks and months we've made
5 several attempts to -- you know, to protest
6 this, and it continues to get deferred, so we
7 are here tonight to let our voices be heard and
8 let you know that we are in firm opposition to
9 this.
10 Our property is only 88 feet wide. The
11 property in question they're looking at -- or
12 they have purchased is 176 feet wide, which
13 borders us once on the east side. We're
14 bordered on the west side by the Hindu temple of
15 Northeast
16 Northeast
17 east side of us is
18 Considering these things, I believe what
19 they're here for is an exception, and it appears
20 that the City has made exceptions already in
21 this area. It's mine and my wife's belief both
22 that if they are allowed to go through with
23 their project that that will completely hinder
24 us from ever being able to sell our home for any
25 reasonable amount of money at all.
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1 Basically, that's where we're at with our
2 opposition and we just want to make sure that
3 we're considered.
4 I've been there since 1998. I understand
5 that, you know, he has somebody he's
6 representing and he's trying to represent their
7 best interest. I'm here to make sure that I'm
8 representing my best interest because we --
9 we've dealt with this problem since the previous
10 developer, and it's just led on and they just
11 happen to be the latest people that get to hear
12 my opposition to it.
13 Thank you.
14 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Mr. Cole.
15 Is your property contiguous to the subject
16 property?
17 MR. COLE: Yes.
18 THE CHAIRMAN: Are you next door to it?
19 MR. COLE: Yes.
20 THE CHAIRMAN: And are you between the
21 school and the subject property or the house of
22 worship and the subject property?
23 MR. COLE: I'm in between the -- yes, I'm
24 in between the Hindu Society and the subject
25 property.
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1 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you.
2 Mr. Joost.
3 MR. JOOST: Thank you.
4 Through the chairman, real quick, have you
5 had an appraisal on your house done recently or
6 on your property?
7 MR. COLE: Actually, they had an appraisal
8 done on our home.
9 MR. JOOST: I was just curious as to what
10 the offer was versus a recent appraisal value.
11 MR. COLE: Well, their recent appraisal
12 value, in my opinion, was a -- a rather
13 lackluster appraisal value, but upon that, they
14 deducted another $50,000 off the appraisal
15 value. So I guess when you're addressing a
16 serious offer, your serious offer must be, send
17 your own appraiser; once he gives you a
18 lackluster appraisal, then deduct $50,000 off of
19 that, and then that's what we're expecting you
20 to take, so -- and his response to that was,
21 "You don't know how to negotiate," so --
22 MR. JOOST: Okay. Thank you.
23 THE CHAIRMAN: But you haven't conducted --
24 you haven't arranged to have your own appraisal
25 done on your own property?
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1 MR. COLE: No, sir, but we -- we are in the
2 process of doing that.
3 MR. JOOST: Thank you.
4 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, sir.
5 Ms. Cole, did you want to address the
6 committee?
7 AUDIENCE MEMBER: Yes, I do have a few
8 things.
9 My name is Angela Cole and I'm at 5014
11 A couple of things that I wanted to
12 mention.
13 In the appraisal that we've had done
14 recently, it does clearly state -- and we can
15 give you a copy of that -- that because we have
16 a church next door to us, that that diminishes
17 the value of our property. So if we are in
18 between two churches, that's going to diminish
19 our value even less. So that's the first thing
20 I want to mention.
21 And another thing is when we talked to
22 Mr. Ashi (phonetic), who is the representative
23 for the church in question, when we couldn't
24 come to an agreement on the amount of money that
25 they wanted to give us versus what we wanted to
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1 sell the property, he said that he would just
2 let the lawyers deal with it. So, unfortunately
3 for us, we don't have as deep of pockets as they
4 do -- so I don't appreciate that. It seems sort
5 of like a threat to me versus trying to be
6 willing to work with us.
7 So, at this point, you know, we don't
8 see -- there's a couple of things also. An
9 8-foot privacy fence is on one side of us, and
10 they'll have to put another 8-foot privacy
11 fence, which will basically put us in a valley
12 where you can't see on either side of the
13 property.
14 We have to deal with parking lot lights
15 right now with the Hindu temple, and we're going
16 to have those on the other side of that we'll
17 have to deal with.
18 Along with this property is also -- been
19 built up, and three feet above what it was
20 supposed to be. And they were supposed to
21 remove that dirt, which they have not, and
22 that's caused severe flooding in our property
23 and actually ruined sod, and just various things
24 like that.
25 So we've had a lot of problems with this
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1 property and we are definitely opposed to having
2 anything else done to it at this point.
3 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Ms. Cole.
4 Any questions for Ms. Cole?
5 COMMITTEE MEMBERS: (No response.)
6 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. Thank you,
7 again.
8 This item is going to be deferred. The
9 public hearing is continued, and we will defer
10 the bill and hopefully take it up in two weeks.
11 MS. COLE: Thank you very much.
12 THE CHAIRMAN: You're welcome to join us --
13 I'm sorry, in two weeks and one day. It's
14 Wednesday the 8th or something like that, but it
15 will be on a Wednesday night, not a Tuesday
16 night.
17 MS. COLE: Thank you.
18 MR. COLE: Thank you for the opportunity.
19 THE CHAIRMAN: Item 2010-374.
20 Mr. Crofts, would you care to deliver the
21 report, please.
22 MR. CROFTS: Yes, sir.
23 Item 2010-374 concerns a property located
24 at
25 Boulevard, which is located in the Northwest
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1 Planning District in Council District 7.
2 This request seeks to rezone property,
3 approximately 3. -- .33 acres, from CCG-2 and
4 RMD-A to planned unit development. The PUD
5 rezoning is being sought to expand a current
6 medical use on the corner lot at
8 medical services provided by a digital motion
9 X-ray machine.
10 Basically, the allowable uses that will be
11 provided in this proposed PUD will be the CO
12 zoning district designations along with this
13 specific office-related medical use. There will
14 be no retail sales, storage of merchandise on
15 the property, and the parking of vehicles over
16 5,000 pounds is prohibited.
17 We have looked at this application. We
18 found it consistent with several policies in the
19 future land use element of the comprehensive
20 plan dealing with compact growth and infill,
21 innovative design, and efficiency in delivery of
22 services, and the department has recommended
23 approval with the following six conditions.
24 Those conditions are as follows:
25 "The development shall be subject to the
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1 original legal description dated June 1st,
2 2010."
3 "The development shall be subject to the
4 original written description dated June 1st,
5 2010."
6 Number 3, "The development shall be subject
7 to the original site plan dated June 1st, 2010."
8 Number 4, "The required transportation
9 improvements shall be made in accordance with
10 the Development Services Division memorandum
11 dated June 15th, 2010, or as otherwise approved
12 by the Planning and Development Department."
13 Number 5, "Monument signage shall be
14 externally illuminated."
15 Number 6 and finally, "All interior
16 renovations and alterations shall be constructed
17 consistent with the room layout form dated
18 August 17th, 2010, attached hereto as
19 Exhibit 3."
20 Thank you.
21 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Mr. Crofts.
22 This is a quasi-judicial matter, so does
23 anyone have any ex-parte communication to
24 disclose?
25 COMMITTEE MEMBERS: (No response.)
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1 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. Seeing none, we
2 have a public hearing on the bill. The public
3 hearing is open.
4 I have one speaker's card, Donald Thomas.
5 (Audience member approaches the podium.)
6 AUDIENCE MEMBER: Yes.
7 My name is Donald Thomas with Realty
8 Executives. My address is 12740-6
9 Boulevard,
10 And I am the realtor for Dr. Royce McGowans
11 [sic] and Shelita McGowans, and I would just
12 like to say we agree with all conditions that
13 was put up on the change, all six conditions.
14 And I would just like to thank the staff,
15 Mr. Avery and Marvin Echols and Mr. Bruce Lewis,
16 for helping us out with this process.
17 That's all I have to say.
18 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. Thank you, sir.
19 Any questions from the committee?
20 COMMITTEE MEMBERS: (No response.)
21 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. Seeing none,
22 anyone else care to address the committee? I
23 have no other speaker cards.
24 AUDIENCE MEMBERS: (No response.)
25 THE CHAIRMAN: The public hearing, then, is
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1 closed.
2 Is there a motion on the amendment?
3 MR. HOLT: Move the amendment.
4 MR. REDMAN: Second.
5 THE CHAIRMAN: Motion by Mr. Holt, second
6 by Mr. Redman.
7 Discussion?
8 COMMITTEE MEMBERS: (No response.)
9 THE CHAIRMAN: If not, all those in favor
10 say yes.
11 COMMITTEE MEMBERS: Yes.
12 THE CHAIRMAN: Opposed say no.
13 COMMITTEE MEMBERS: (No response.)
14 THE CHAIRMAN: By your action, you have
15 adopted the amendment.
16 MR. HOLT: Move the bill as amended.
17 THE CHAIRMAN: Motion on the bill as
18 amended by Mr. Holt --
19 MR. REDMAN: Second.
20 THE CHAIRMAN: -- second by Mr. Redman.
21 Discussion? I have Mr. Bishop on the
22 queue.
23 Mr. Bishop.
24 MR. BISHOP: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
25 I have just one quick question for
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1 Mr. Crofts.
2 In looking at the zoning map, this shows
3 the existing area is CCG-2 and RMD-A. This
4 application looks to me like it's extending what
5 in a sense is commercial uses down
6 Boulevard. Could you elaborate on why this, in
7 your opinion, does not constitute commercial
8 intrusion -- or additional commercial intrusion
9 into a residential area?
10 MR. CROFTS: In our particular case,
11 through the Chair, the use is in an MDR land use
12 classification, first of all, and then allows,
13 as a secondary zoning district, these types of
14 uses, first of all. So we've got the overriding
15 land use designation at a density of MDR.
16 Second of all, the intensity of the use and
17 the access of the use is so minimalistic, in our
18 terms, in terms of conversion or use, that it's
19 going to have a very minimal effect on the
20 adjacent residential. It's going to be oriented
21 to
22 And the restrictions that we put out in
23 terms of intensity, in terms of orientation, and
24 in terms of the use with the -- with the PUD,
25 the specificity of it, we feel that it's going
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1 to basically be seamless and be very close to
2 actually a residential use in a single-family
3 house, which is going to remain unchanged
4 externally.
5 MR. BISHOP: Okay. Thank you very much.
6 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Mr. Bishop.
7 Any other questions?
8 COMMITTEE MEMBERS: (No response.)
9 THE CHAIRMAN: No further discussion?
10 COMMITTEE MEMBERS: (No response.)
11 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. We have a motion
12 and a second on the bill.
13 Open the ballot and vote, please.
14 (Committee ballot opened.)
15 MR. CRESCIMBENI: (Votes yea.)
16 MR. HOLT: (Votes yea.)
17 MR. BISHOP: (Votes yea.)
18 MR. BROWN: (Votes yea.)
19 MR. JOOST: (Votes yea.)
20 MR. REDMAN: (Votes yea.)
21 (Committee ballot closed.)
22 MS. LAHMEUR: Six yeas, zero nay.
23 THE CHAIRMAN: By your action, you have
24 approved item 2, 2010-374.
25 Item 3, at the bottom of the page, is
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1 deferred.
2 Turning to page 3, at the top, Mr. Kelly,
3 is this the one that -- which was the item that
4 you had mentioned earlier, prior to the meeting,
5 that there was a problem with on some -- was it
6 a waiver?
7 MR. KELLY: That's correct. It's the sign
8 waiver, -499. It's item 14.
9 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. Thank you.
10 All right. Item 4, 2010-447. Is there a
11 report from anybody in the Planning Department
12 on this issue?
13 MR. KELLY: The department initially, I
14 guess, had begun and had a report ready for
15 August 3rd, the public hearing on this item.
16 However, the applicant had indicated that the
17 site plan had changed and had altered the
18 request between the distance between the two
19 signs, so there was a debate as to whether or
20 not we had to renotice and readvertise.
21 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. We have a public
22 hearing scheduled on this item this evening.
23 The public hearing is open. I have no
24 speaker cards. Seeing no one, the public
25 hearing is closed -- I'm sorry, continued to
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1 September 8th, and we have no other action on
2 this bill.
3 Item 5, item 6, and item 7 on page 3 are
4 all deferred.
5 Turning to page 4, items 8, 9, and 10 are
6 deferred. That brings us to item 11.
7 Mr. Crofts.
8 MR. CROFTS: Mr. Chairman and members of
9 the committee, item 11 on our agenda is
10 ordinance 2010-496. It seeks to rezone a piece
11 of property containing 4.25 acres from
12 commercial office to PUD. The property is
13 addressed at
14 located in Council District 6, in the Southeast
15 Planning District.
16 The purpose of this particular application
17 is the conversion and utilization, again, of a
18 single-family house to a private club to allow
19 alcohol sales and service for the purpose of the
20 utilization of the
21 Elks Club.
22 The size of the house is 1,400 square feet
23 and the proposed use will occupy no more space
24 than the reflected existing structure. The
25 proposed use is described as an adaptive reuse
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1 of the property with really no or little
2 increase in intensity of the use that is
3 currently allowed under the CO zoning
4 designation.
5 A private club that will be restricted in
6 terms of hours of operation, signage,
7 appropriate access, and parking will be provided
8 in accordance with Section 656 of the zoning
9 code.
10 Staff has recommended approval of this item
11 in view of its consistency with several future
12 land use element policies dealing with compact
13 roads, compatible land use, and the promotion of
14 a planned unit development and mixed-use
15 development or other innovative approaches to
16 planning and development.
17 Staff recommends approval with a series of
18 conditions that -- staff recommends approval of
19 this item with the following conditions:
20 Condition number 1, "The development shall
21 be subject to the original legal description
22 dated June 7th, 2010."
23 Number 2, "The development shall be subject
24 to the original written description dated
25 June 7th, 2010."
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1 Number 3, "The development shall be subject
2 to the original site plan dated June 7th, 2010."
3 Number 4, "The development of the property
4 shall proceed in accordance with the Development
5 Services Division memorandum dated June 8th,
6 2010, or as otherwise approved by the Planning
7 and Development Department."
8 Number 5, "All structures on the property
9 shall retain a residential appearance and
10 character."
11 Number 6, "A 25-foot buffer" -- I'm
12 sorry -- "A 25-foot-wide undisturbed buffer
13 shall be provided along the southern and western
14 property lines."
15 Number 7, "The proposed monument sign shall
16 not exceed 35 square feet in area and be no
17 taller than 60 inches as measured from the
18 ground to the top of the sign, which includes
19 all sign features or structures."
20 Number 8. Okay. I have a substitute
21 condition for number 8 and 9 as in the
22 correspondence -- and this is now the new item
23 number 8 condition. It deals with lighting.
24 "All sag lenses, drop lenses, and convex
25 lenses shall be prohibited. Illumination levels
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1 at all property lines shall not exceed one-half
2 footcandle when the building or parking areas
3 are located adjacent to residential areas and
4 shall not exceed one footcandle when abutting
5 other nonresidential properties.
6 "All lighting lamp sources within parking
7 and pedestrian areas shall be metal halide or
8 compact florescent. The maximum light pole
9 height in all parking areas shall not exceed
10 10 feet.
11 "An exterior lighting design plan for each
12 project, including a photometrics plan, pole
13 fixture schedules, shall be submitted at the
14 time of verification of substantial compliance
15 for review and approval by the Planning and
16 Development Department."
17 Ninth and finally, "A buffer meeting the
18 requirements of Section 656.1216 of the zoning
19 code shall be provided and maintained along the
20 western property line."
21 Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
22 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Mr. Crofts.
23 Mr. Joost, did you have a question on the
24 report or you want to --
25 MR. JOOST: (Inaudible.)
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1 THE CHAIRMAN: All right.
2 Thank you, Mr. Crofts.
3 This is a quasi-judicial matter, so we're
4 at the point that you can do that, Mr. Joost.
5 Anyone have any ex-parte to disclose?
6 MR. JOOST: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
7 It's not ex-parte, but I would like it on
8 the record, I'm a member of the Elks Lodge down
9 in Green Cove Springs. I want that on the
10 record. It does not enure to my benefit or this
11 particular lodge's benefit, so I have no
12 conflict, but I do want that on the record.
13 Thank you.
14 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you for that
15 disclosure, Mr. Joost.
16 Anyone else?
17 COMMITTEE MEMBERS: (No response.)
18 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. We do have a
19 public hearing on this item. The public hearing
20 is open. I have two speaker cards, Dan Bird and
21 Richard Strobell.
22 Mr. Bird, we'll start with you.
23 (Audience member approaches the podium.)
24 THE CHAIRMAN: You didn't check whether you
25 support or oppose. I'm assuming you're in
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1 support?
2 AUDIENCE MEMBER: Yes.
3 My name is Dan Bird. My address is 173
5 I am here to agree with all the terms on
6 behalf of the benevolent protective order of
7 Elks. We are the purchasers of the property,
8 and I see no problems with abiding [sic] all of
9 these rules.
10 THE CHAIRMAN: Mr. Bird, what is your
11 connection to the Elks? Are you a member of the
12 Elks?
13 MR. BIRD: I am a member of it and I'm also
14 the licensed real estate agent that is
15 purchasing the property for the Elks.
16 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, sir.
17 Any questions from the committee?
18 MR. REDMAN: I have to declare ex-parte,
19 I'm sorry.
20 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. Thank you, Mr. Bird.
21 Mr. Redman.
22 MR. REDMAN: Yes. I need to declare
23 ex-parte. Just before the meeting, I talked
24 with the gentlemen -- all the gentlemen
25 concerning this.
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1 Thank you.
2 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Mr. Redman.
3 Our second speaker is Richard Strobell.
4 (Audience member approaches the podium.)
5 AUDIENCE MEMBER: Richard Strobell, 11505
7 A week ago, I stood up here and talked
8 about objecting to the PUD across the creek from
9 me, next door to me. It's -- I've met with
10 Mr. Herzberg and have gone through several
11 talks.
12 I believe that this is a favorable PUD for
13 the neighborhood. They are willing to give us
14 the buffer on our west- -- their western
15 property line, my eastern property line. And as
16 long as that buffer is in the amended conditions
17 and it is provided, I'm fine with this and I
18 would not oppose having this go through.
19 So I am changing my opinion and supporting
20 this provided that that buffer is provided for
21 in this PUD.
22 Thank you.
23 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Mr. Strobell. I
24 apologize for mispronouncing your name.
25 Any questions from the committee?
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1 COMMITTEE MEMBERS: (No response.)
2 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. Seeing no one --
3 no other speaker cards, the public hearing is
4 closed. We're back in committee.
5 Question to Mr. Crofts or Mr. Kelly. I'm
6 sorry. Who -- where is the access from this --
7 this has a
8 the map. Where do they actually --
9 MR. KELLY: That's correct.
10 There's an easement through the office
11 building in front of this property. This is
12 actually an essentially landlocked piece of
13 property. They do have access through the
14 commercial property in front of them, directly
15 to
16 THE CHAIRMAN: When you say "office
17 building," are you talking about the shopping
18 center --
19 MR. KELLY: Correct.
20 THE CHAIRMAN: -- that's in the picture
21 here?
22 MR. KELLY: CCG, yes.
23 THE CHAIRMAN: Do they have to actually
24 turn onto that Oldfield Crossing or whatever and
25 then turn into the shopping center?
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1 MR. KELLY: There is -- in the report,
2 there's an exhibit of the survey. It's probably
3 not too clear. It's, I guess, on page 4 of 11,
4 which has the driveway easement all the way from
6 center.
7 THE CHAIRMAN: Is it the one by Clarson &
8 Associates, the survey? Am I looking at the
9 right thing?
10 MR. KELLY: That is the improvements from
12 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. All right.
13 Thank you.
14 And, Mr. Joost, did you have a question
15 about the buffer?
16 MR. JOOST: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
17 In the buffer that this gentleman referred
18 to on a -- on his property, is that in the
19 conditions now?
20 MR. CROFTS: Yes.
21 MR. JOOST: Okay. Thank you.
22 THE CHAIRMAN: Mr. Crofts, can you answer
23 on the record, please?
24 MR. CROFTS: I'm sorry.
25 Yes, it is.
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1 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, sir.
2 All right. Any other discussion?
3 MR. REINGOLD: (Indicating.)
4 THE CHAIRMAN: Mr. Reingold.
5 MR. REINGOLD: To the Chair, I know it was
6 very last minute of Mr. Bird to sort of serve as
7 agent today for the property owner. My only
8 request of Mr. Bird -- and I talked to him
9 before the meeting -- was that he provide an
10 agent authorization letter from Ms. Williams
11 before the City Council meeting next Tuesday.
12 THE CHAIRMAN: And, Mr. Bird, you agree to
13 that, correct?
14 MR. BIRD: Yes, sir. As long as I have a
15 form to take to her, I'll take it to her
16 tomorrow.
17 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. Thank you, sir.
18 And, Mr. Reingold, if you'll follow-up when
19 you receive that just so we're clear for
20 Tuesday.
21 MR. REINGOLD: Yes. Actually, if the
22 Planning Department could help me out. They're
23 the ones who have the agent authorization forms
24 in their office and if they can provide one to
25 Mr. Bird, that would be greatly appreciated.
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1 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. Thank you, sir.
2 Back in committee. Do we have a motion on
3 the amendment?
4 MR. BISHOP: Move the amendment.
5 MR. REDMAN: Second.
6 THE CHAIRMAN: Motion by Mr. Bishop, second
7 by Mr. Redman. That includes all the
8 conditions.
9 Is there any discussion?
10 COMMITTEE MEMBERS: (No response.)
11 THE CHAIRMAN: If not, all those in favor
12 say yes.
13 COMMITTEE MEMBERS: Yes.
14 THE CHAIRMAN: Opposed say no.
15 COMMITTEE MEMBERS: (No response.)
16 THE CHAIRMAN: By our action, you've
17 adopted the amendment.
18 MR. BISHOP: Move the bill as amended.
19 MR. JOOST: Second.
20 THE CHAIRMAN: Motion by Mr. Bishop on the
21 bill as amended, second by Mr. Joost.
22 Any discussion?
23 COMMITTEE MEMBERS: (No response.)
24 THE CHAIRMAN: If not, open the ballot and
25 vote.
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1 (Committee ballot opened.)
2 MR. CRESCIMBENI: (Votes yea.)
3 MR. HOLT: (Votes yea.)
4 MR. BISHOP: (Votes yea.)
5 MR. BROWN: (Votes yea.)
6 MR. JOOST: (Votes yea.)
7 MR. REDMAN: (Votes yea.)
8 (Committee ballot closed.)
9 MS. LAHMEUR: Six yeas, zero nay.
10 THE CHAIRMAN: By your action, you have
11 approved item 11, 2010-496.
12 Turning to page 5, item 12 --
13 MR. BROWN: (Inaudible.)
14 THE CHAIRMAN: Let me get the report in and
15 then we'll do ex-parte.
16 Mr. Kelly.
17 MR. KELLY: Thank you.
18 To the Chair and to the committee members,
19 application for rezoning 2010-497 seeks to
20 rezone approximately a .7-acre parcel located at
22 rezoned from RLD-60 to PBF-1 zoning. The
23 property was recently acquired by the City of
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25 to be used for a joint recreation facility in
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1 conjunction with the George Washington Carver
2 Elementary School.
3 The department finds, again, this rezoning
4 would be consistent with the 2030 Comprehensive
5 Plan. In fact, it furthers the goals,
6 objectives, and policies contained within the
7 2030 Comprehensive Plan, specifically recreation
8 open space element policy 1.1.1; additionally,
9 the recreation open space element policy 1.5.1
10 and 1.5.2. We do find that it does not conflict
11 with any existing land development regulations,
12 and we are in support of this rezoning.
13 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Mr. Kelly.
14 This is a quasi-judicial matter, so does
15 anyone have any ex-parte to disclose?
16 Mr. Brown.
17 MS. BROWN: Yes, Mr. Chairman.
18 I'd like to declare ex-parte. I had
19 several conversations with Derrick Joseph
20 (phonetic) with Parks and Recreation regarding
21 this project.
22 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, sir.
23 Anyone else?
24 COMMITTEE MEMBERS: (No response.)
25 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. Seeing no one, we do
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1 have a public hearing scheduled this evening.
2 The public hearing is open. I have no speaker
3 cards.
4 Anyone care to address the committee?
5 AUDIENCE MEMBERS: (No response.)
6 THE CHAIRMAN: Seeing no one, the public
7 hearing is closed.
8 Is there a motion on the bill?
9 MR. BISHOP: Move the bill.
10 MR. BROWN: Second.
11 THE CHAIRMAN: Motion by Mr. Bishop, second
12 by Mr. Brown.
13 Any discussion?
14 COMMITTEE MEMBERS: (No response.)
15 THE CHAIRMAN: If not, open the ballot and
16 vote.
17 (Committee ballot opened.)
18 MR. CRESCIMBENI: (Votes yea.)
19 MR. HOLT: (Votes yea.)
20 MR. BISHOP: (Votes yea.)
21 MR. BROWN: (Votes yea.)
22 MR. JOOST: (Votes yea.)
23 MR. REDMAN: (Votes yea.)
24 (Committee ballot closed.)
25 MS. LAHMEUR: Six yeas, zero nay.
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1 THE CHAIRMAN: By your action, you have
2 approved item 12, 2010-497.
3 Item 13, 2010-498.
4 Mr. Kelly.
5 MR. KELLY: Thank you.
6 To the Chair and committee members,
7 application for rezoning 2010-498 seeks to
8 rezone approximately 1.5 acres of land located
9 at
11 requested rezoning is going from IBP to PBF-1.
12 This proposed new property here acquired by the
13 City fire department is intended to be a fire
14 station at this location.
15 The department finds this is consistent
16 with the 2030 Comprehensive Plan and finds that
17 it furthers the intent and goals and objectives
18 and policies within the comprehensive plan and
19 that it does not conflict with any land use
20 regulations, and the department is recommending
21 approval.
22 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Mr. Kelly.
23 This matter is also quasi-judicial. Does
24 anyone have any ex-parte communication to
25 disclose?
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1 COMMITTEE MEMBERS: (No response.)
2 THE CHAIRMAN: Seeing none, we have a
3 public hearing scheduled this evening. The
4 public hearing is open. I have no speaker
5 cards.
6 Anyone care to address the committee?
7 AUDIENCE MEMBERS: (No response.)
8 THE CHAIRMAN: Seeing no one, the public
9 hearing is closed.
10 MR. HOLT: Move the bill.
11 MR. REDMAN: Second.
12 THE CHAIRMAN: Motion on the bill by
13 Mr. Holt; second, I believe, by Mr. Redman.
14 Any discussion?
15 COMMITTEE MEMBERS: (No response.)
16 THE CHAIRMAN: If not, open the ballot,
17 vote.
18 (Committee ballot opened.)
19 MR. CRESCIMBENI: (Votes yea.)
20 MR. HOLT: (Votes yea.)
21 MR. BISHOP: (Votes yea.)
22 MR. BROWN: (Votes yea.)
23 MR. JOOST: (Votes yea.)
24 MR. REDMAN: (Votes yea.)
25 (Committee ballot closed.)
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1 MS. LAHMEUR: Six yeas, zero nay.
2 THE CHAIRMAN: By your action, you have
3 approved item 13, 2010-498.
4 Also wanted to -- I failed to see Ms. Hipps
5 out there. Another former council
6 representative is with us tonight.
7 Ms. Hipps, thank you for being here. I
8 recognized Ms. Jenkins earlier. If you were
9 here, I apologize. I didn't see you sitting way
10 back there. You've got to wear these
11 (indicating) to see that far back, so --
12 Item 14, 2010-499.
13 Now, Mr. Kelly, this is the one that you
14 had a request to defer?
15 MR. KELLY: That's correct. I believe the
16 applicant or the agent for the applicant is here
17 to speak to that.
18 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. Do you know who -- is
19 the agent Mr. Watson? Is the agent --
20 (Audience member approaches the podium.)
21 THE CHAIRMAN: Did you fill out a speaker
22 card, sir?
23 AUDIENCE MEMBER: Yes, sir, I did.
24 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay.
25 All right. Do we need to disclose quasi-
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1 just -- if we're going to defer it this evening,
2 Mr. Reingold?
3 MR. REINGOLD: I think the proper posture
4 would be to sort of maybe just have a brief
5 discussion with the applicant as to the request
6 for the deferral. If the committee decides to
7 defer it, then you could withhold on ex-parte
8 communication disclosures till the next public
9 hearing.
10 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. Mr. Watson, if you'll
11 give your name and address for the record. I
12 know you filled out a speaker's card, but --
13 AUDIENCE MEMBER: Hubert Watson, 9917
15 THE CHAIRMAN: And you represent the
16 applicant?
17 MR. WATSON: They're a neighbor and they
18 asked for my input, and I agreed to come along
19 and review the process up to this point.
20 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. And you're requesting
21 a deferral?
22 MR. WATSON: Yes, sir.
23 We've really not had a chance to completely
24 speak to Mr. Kelly or go through the process or
25 the member in whose district this lies in, and I
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1 wanted to take some time to more fully go
2 through the application with pertinent personnel
3 of the City.
4 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. All right. Thank
5 you, sir.
6 The Chair will grant the deferral request.
7 We'll take this up in two weeks and one day,
8 Wednesday -- the second Wednesday in September,
9 I think it is.
10 MR. REINGOLD: September 8th.
11 THE CHAIRMAN: September 8th is the
12 official date.
13 We do have a public hearing scheduled this
14 evening. I do have three speakers' cards.
15 They're all people in support of the bill.
16 The public hearing is open. Do any of
17 y'all care to speak? You can if you'd like. If
18 not, you can come back in two weeks. We're not
19 going to take the bill up.
20 AUDIENCE MEMBERS: (No response.)
21 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. Seeing no one,
22 then, the public hearing is continued --
23 MR. WATSON: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
24 THE CHAIRMAN: -- and the bill is deferred.
25 Item 15, at the bottom of the page,
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1 2010-525.
2 MR. JOOST: Move the amendment.
3 THE CHAIRMAN: Mr. Reingold, did you have
4 anything you wanted to say on this?
5 MR. REINGOLD: Only if requested by the
6 committee.
7 THE CHAIRMAN: Okay. Thank you, sir.
8 Motion on the amendment by Mr. Joost.
9 Was there a second?
10 MR. HOLT: Second.
11 THE CHAIRMAN: Second by Mr. Holt.
12 Discussion on the amendment?
13 COMMITTEE MEMBERS: (No response.)
14 THE CHAIRMAN: If not, all those in favor
15 say yes.
16 COMMITTEE MEMBERS: Yes.
17 THE CHAIRMAN: Opposed say no.
18 COMMITTEE MEMBERS: (No response.)
19 THE CHAIRMAN: By your action, you've
20 adopted the amendment.
21 MR. HOLT: Move the bill as amended.
22 MR. REDMAN: Second.
23 THE CHAIRMAN: Motion on the bill as
24 amended by Mr. Holt, second by Mr. Redman.
25 Discussion?
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1 COMMITTEE MEMBERS: (No response.)
2 THE CHAIRMAN: Seeing none, open the
3 ballot, vote.
4 (Committee ballot opened.)
5 MR. CRESCIMBENI: (Votes yea.)
6 MR. HOLT: (Votes yea.)
7 MR. BISHOP: (Votes yea.)
8 MR. BROWN: (Votes yea.)
9 MR. JOOST: (Votes yea.)
10 MR. REDMAN: (Votes yea.)
11 (Committee ballot closed.)
12 MS. LAHMEUR: Six yeas, zero nay.
13 THE CHAIRMAN: By our action, you've
14 approved item 15, 2010-525, as amended.
15 Turning to page 6, beginning with item 16
16 and continuing all the way over to the bottom of
17 page 10, item 35, all those items will be
18 deferred this evening.
19 That takes us to the top of page 11,
20 item 36.
21 Mr. Kelly.
22 MR. KELLY: Thank you.
23 To the Chair and committee members,
24 ordinance 2010-613. This is a proposed
25 ordinance that amends Part 15 of the zoning code
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1 dealing with cell towers and tower review
2 standards.
3 Essentially, what this does, this bill will
4 provide for a notice requirement for
5 Track-II-type, camouflage, low-impact, stealth
6 towers. These types of towers previously were
7 not required to be noticed, however, were
8 required to be approved through a public hearing
9 at the Planning Commission, so it was one of
10 those oddball situations where you had a public
11 hearing for something that didn't require any
12 notice, and now this brings in the notice
13 requirement for that. There's no advertised
14 notice, but it is a mailed notice to property
15 owners within 350 feet.
16 Additionally, this brings an amendment to
17 the landscaping requirements, mitigating the
18 buffering around the base of the tower site
19 itself, and this brings basically the
20 requirement back consistent with the
21 uncomplementary land use buffer requirements
22 under 656.1216 of the zoning code, which is your
23 typical uncomplementary land use buffer.
24 The department has reviewed this and finds
25 that it is a very good improvement to increase
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1 the public's ability for input and we support
2 this request.
3 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Mr. Kelly.
4 Just for the record, so that the -- my
5 colleagues on the committee don't think this was
6 all my idea, will you kindly state who suggested
7 that the sponsor become a sponsor?
8 MR. REINGOLD: I see staff sort of looking
9 around back and forth. I can answer that
10 question.
11 I believe Mr. Killingsworth came to you,
12 sir, and said, here's something I think would be
13 a really good idea that I think the LUZ Chair
14 would be in favor of. And, obviously, based
15 upon you being the sponsor, you agreed with him.
16 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you for the
17 clarification. It's amazing what got such a
18 stellar report from the Planning Department.
19 How does that happen?
20 (Simultaneous speaking.)
21 MR. REINGOLD: (Inaudible.)
22 THE CHAIRMAN: Very good -- you don't
23 hear "very good" too often.
24 All right. With that said, we have a
25 public hearing on this item. The public hearing
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1 is open. I have no speakers' cards.
2 Seeing no one in the audience, the public
3 hearing is closed.
4 MR. BISHOP: Move the bill.
5 MR. HOLT: Second.
6 THE CHAIRMAN: Motion by Mr. Bishop, second
7 by Mr. Holt.
8 Discussion?
9 COMMITTEE MEMBERS: (No response.)
10 THE CHAIRMAN: If not, open the ballot,
11 vote.
12 (Committee ballot opened.)
13 MR. CRESCIMBENI: (Votes yea.)
14 MR. HOLT: (Votes yea.)
15 MR. BISHOP: (Votes yea.)
16 MR. BROWN: (Votes yea.)
17 MR. JOOST: (Votes yea.)
18 MR. REDMAN: (Votes yea.)
19 (Committee ballot closed.)
20 MS. LAHMEUR: Six yeas, zero nay.
21 THE CHAIRMAN: By your action, you have
22 approved item 36, 2010-613.
23 At the bottom of page 11, beginning with
24 item 39 all the way through the last item on
25 page 15, item 58, all those bills are second and
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1 rereferred.
2 That concludes our agenda.
3 Is there anyone in the audience that would
4 care to address the committee?
5 AUDIENCE MEMBERS: (No response.)
6 THE CHAIRMAN: I only see two people and
7 they're addressing each other.
8 So, with that, anything else to come before
9 the committee?
10 COMMITTEE MEMBERS: (No response.)
11 STAFF MEMBERS: (No response.)
12 THE CHAIRMAN: All right. This meeting is
13 adjourned, and we'll see you back here on
14 Wednesday, September 8th.
15 Thank you all.
16 (The above proceedings were adjourned at
17 6:10 p.m.)
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