1                    CITY OF JACKSONVILLE

 

       2                    LAND USE AND ZONING

 

       3                         COMMITTEE

 

       4

 

       5

 

       6             Proceedings held on Wednesday, February 17,

 

       7   2010, commencing at 5:05 p.m., City Hall, Council

 

       8   Chambers, 1st Floor, Jacksonville, Florida, before

 

       9   Diane M. Tropia, a Notary Public in and for the State

 

      10   of Florida at Large.

 

      11

 

      12   PRESENT:

 

      13        RAY HOLT, Chair.

                WARREN JONES, Vice Chair.

      14        REGINALD BROWN, Committee Member.

                DANIEL DAVIS, Committee Member.

      15        STEPHEN JOOST, Committee Member.

                DON REDMAN, Committee Member.

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      17   ALSO PRESENT:

 

      18        JOHN CROFTS, Deputy Director, Planning Dept.

                SEAN KELLY, Chief, Current Planning.

      19        FOLKS HUXFORD, Zoning Administrator.

                DYLAN REINGOLD, Office of General Counsel.

      20        RICK CAMPBELL, Research Assistant.

                MERRIANE LAHMEUR, Legislative Assistant.

      21        JESSICA STEPHENS, Legislative Assistant.

 

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           Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203


 

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       1                   P R O C E E D I N G S

 

       2   February 17, 2010                       5:05 p.m.

 

       3                         -  -  -

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Good evening,

 

       5        everybody.

 

       6             We actually have a fairly lengthy agenda

 

       7        tonight.  Nothing like back in '07, but we want

 

       8        to try and get moving pretty quickly because

 

       9        I've got some council members that are going to

 

      10        be needing to leave a little early.  And I know

 

      11        some people want to get out and have some other

 

      12        meetings.  Some of our applicants have said they

 

      13        need to go to a community meeting.

 

      14             We don't have any visiting council members

 

      15        here tonight?  That's surprising.

 

      16             All right.  Folks, let's --

 

      17             Mr. Crofts, why don't you start us off.  Go

 

      18        around the horn and we'll introduce ourselves.

 

      19             MR. CROFTS:  I'm John Crofts, and I'm

 

      20        representing the Planning and Development

 

      21        Department.

 

      22             MR. KELLY:  Sean Kelly, Planning and

 

      23        Development.

 

      24             MR. REINGOLD:  Good evening.

 

      25             It's Dylan Reingold with the Office of

 

 

 

 

           Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203


 

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       1        General Counsel.

 

       2             MR. DAVIS:  Daniel Davis.

 

       3             MR. BROWN:  Reginald Brown.

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  Ray Holt, District 11.

 

       5             MR. JONES:  Warren Jones, District 9.

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  Former president.

 

       7             MR. JOOST:  Stephen Joost, Group 3,

 

       8        at-large.

 

       9             MR. REDMAN:  Don Redman, District 4.

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Starting on

 

      11        page 2, Councilmembers, item 1 is deferred,

 

      12        item 2 is deferred.

 

      13             Page 3, item 3, 2009-91.  We'll open the

 

      14        public hearing.

 

      15             We have no speakers.  We'll close the

 

      16        public hearing.

 

      17             We have an amendment.

 

      18             MR. JONES:  Move the amendment.

 

      19             MR. JOOST:  Second.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on the

 

      21        amendment.

 

      22             All in favor, please say aye.

 

      23             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Aye.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  Amendment passes.

 

      25             MR. JONES:  Move the bill as amended.

 

 

 

 

           Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203


 

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       1             MR. REDMAN:  Second.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on the

 

       3        bill as amended.

 

       4             Anyone need to speak?

 

       5             AUDIENCE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  Seeing no speakers, please

 

       7        open the ballot.

 

       8             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

       9             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      10             MR. JONES:  (Votes yea.)

 

      11             MR. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      12             MR. DAVIS:  (Votes yea.)

 

      13             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      14             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  Close the ballot, record the

 

      16        vote.

 

      17             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      18             MR. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nays.

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you have

 

      20        approved 2009-91.

 

      21             I'm going to skip over number 4 because I'm

 

      22        hoping that we're going to have some visiting

 

      23        council members on that later.

 

      24             Number 5, open the public hearing.

 

      25             Seeing no speakers, we'll continue that

 

 

 

 

           Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203


 

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       1        public hearing to 3/2 and take no further

 

       2        action.

 

       3             Item 6 and 7 are deferred.

 

       4             Items 8, 9, 10 and 11 are related.  I'm

 

       5        going to open the public hearing on all four of

 

       6        those.

 

       7             Mr. Harden.

 

       8             (Mr. Harden approaches the podium.)

 

       9             MR. HARDEN:  Yes, sir, Mr. Chairman.

 

      10             Paul Harden, 501 Riverside Avenue.

 

      11             Are you going to have the staff go first?

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  Yeah.

 

      13             Mr. Crofts, I believe there was an

 

      14        amendment issue on this one.  Can you clarify

 

      15        all that?

 

      16             MR. CROFTS:  Item number 8, there was not

 

      17        an amendment, 2009-655.

 

      18             Item 9, 2009-656 was the PUD for the

 

      19        property at 6220 and 6300 Norwood Avenue and

 

      20        921 Arden.  The amendment there was to delete

 

      21        the alley reference in the legal.  And there

 

      22        were basically six conditions in that

 

      23        legislation that dealt with development and the

 

      24        site plan.  I'm just generalizing.

 

      25             And then number 10, there was an amendment

 

 

 

 

           Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203


 

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       1        2009-657, which excluded the alleyway.

 

       2             And number 11, basically the amendment

 

       3        there was to delete the alleyways and again to

 

       4        basically replicate the conditions that were in

 

       5        the PUD to the adjoining piece of property.

 

       6             And, again, that's just a generalization.

 

       7        I will read them specifically if you'd like.

 

       8             But the department has looked at this.  We

 

       9        have found it consistent with the comprehensive

 

      10        plan and complements the existing uses out there

 

      11        as an appropriate infill.  And with the PUD,

 

      12        supportive PUD and the conditions dealing with

 

      13        the uses and the buffers, we're in support of

 

      14        it.

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Do you need all the

 

      16        conditions read, Mr. Harden, or are you in

 

      17        agreement?

 

      18             MR. HARDEN:  I do not.  I do not.

 

      19             This is an existing business that's been

 

      20        there 50 years.  It's -- the conditions just

 

      21        buffer it from an adjoining neighbor, so . . .

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  All right.

 

      23             Do we have any speakers?

 

      24             Mr. Jones.

 

      25             MR. JONES:  Thanks.

 

 

 

 

           Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203


 

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       1             Through the Chair to Mr. Harden, why did

 

       2        you have to rezone if it's an existing

 

       3        business?

 

       4             MR. HARDEN:  Councilman Jones, it -- a

 

       5        portion of the business was designated LDR when

 

       6        they did the comp plan back in the '80s.  It had

 

       7        preexisted the comp plan since before '69.

 

       8             In the last year or so, the City realized

 

       9        that there was an inconsistent land use with the

 

      10        actual use, so we filed it to bring it into

 

      11        compliance.  And at that same time, we agreed to

 

      12        bring it up to code on some buffers and

 

      13        landscaping, that sort of thing.

 

      14             MR. JONES:  Okay.  Thank you.

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  And,

 

      16        Councilmembers, items 9 and 11 are

 

      17        quasi-judicial.  So if you need to give your

 

      18        quasi-judicial on that.

 

      19             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing no

 

      21        speakers, we will close that public hearing.

 

      22             I need a motion on -655, please.

 

      23             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill.

 

      24             MR. JONES:  Second.

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on

 

 

 

 

           Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203


 

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       1        2009-655.

 

       2             Please open the ballot.

 

       3             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

       4             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

       5             MR. JONES:  (Votes yea.)

 

       6             MR. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       7             MR. DAVIS:  (Votes yea.)

 

       8             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

       9             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  Close the ballot, record the

 

      11        vote.

 

      12             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      13             MS. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nays.

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

      15        approved -655.

 

      16             -656.

 

      17             MR. JOOST:  Move the amendment.

 

      18             MR. JONES:  Second.

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on the

 

      20        amendment.

 

      21             All in favor of the amendment, please

 

      22        signify by saying aye.

 

      23             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Aye.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  The amendment passes.

 

      25             Motion on the bill.

 

 

 

 

           Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203


 

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       1             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill as amended.

 

       2             MR. JONES:  Second.

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on the

 

       4        bill as amended.

 

       5             Please open the ballot.

 

       6             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

       7             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

       8             MR. JONES:  (Votes yea.)

 

       9             MR. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      10             MR. DAVIS:  (Votes yea.)

 

      11             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      12             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  Record the vote.

 

      14             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      15             MR. LAHMEUR:  Five yeas, zero -- six yeas,

 

      16        zero nays.

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

      18        approved -656.

 

      19             Item 10, -657.  There's --

 

      20             MR. JOOST:  Move the amendment.

 

      21             MR. JONES:  Second.

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on the

 

      23        amendment.

 

      24             All in favor of the amendment, signify by

 

      25        saying aye.

 

 

 

 

           Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203


 

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       1             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Aye.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Amendment passes.

 

       3             MR. JONES:  Move the bill as amended.

 

       4             MR. JOOST:  Second.

 

       5             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on the

 

       6        bill as amended.

 

       7             Please open the ballot.

 

       8             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

       9             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      10             MR. JONES:  (Votes yea.)

 

      11             MR. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      12             MR. DAVIS:  (Votes yea.)

 

      13             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      14             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  Close the ballot, record the

 

      16        vote.

 

      17             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      18             MS. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nays.

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

      20        approved 2009-657.

 

      21             Page 6, number 11, 2009-658.

 

      22             MR. JONES:  Move the amendment.

 

      23             MR. JOOST:  Second.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on the

 

      25        amendment.  All in favor of the amendment,

 

 

 

 

           Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203


 

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       1        signify by saying aye.

 

       2             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Aye.

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  The amendment passes.

 

       4             MR. JONES:  Move the bill as amended.

 

       5             MR. JOOST:  Second.

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on the

 

       7        bill as amended.

 

       8             Please open the ballot.

 

       9             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      10             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      11             MR. JONES:  (Votes yea.)

 

      12             MR. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      13             MR. DAVIS:  (Votes yea.)

 

      14             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      15             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  Close the ballot, record the

 

      17        vote.

 

      18             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      19             MR. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nays.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

      21        approved 2009-658.

 

      22             Thank you, Mr. Harden.

 

      23             MR. HARDEN:  Thank you.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Item 12 is

 

      25        deferred.

 

 

 

 

           Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203


 

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       1             Item 13, we're going to open the public

 

       2        hearing.  And seeing no speakers, we'll continue

 

       3        it and take no further action until March 2nd.

 

       4             Let's see.  There are a few items I wanted

 

       5        to take out of order.

 

       6             Councilmembers, if we could go to page 8,

 

       7        item 20 and 21.  Those are both together.  I

 

       8        want to open the public hearing on both of

 

       9        those.

 

      10             MR. HARDEN:  Paul Harden, 501 Riverside

 

      11        Avenue.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Mr. Crofts,

 

      13        could you go over -- well, there are no

 

      14        amendments on that.

 

      15             MR. HARDEN:  These are transmittals of a

 

      16        semiannual comp plan amendment.  So you'll see

 

      17        them again in several months with the adoption

 

      18        and the land use.

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Anybody have any

 

      20        questions of Mr. Harden?  Anybody --

 

      21             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  Neither one of them are

 

      23        quasi-judicial.

 

      24             All right.  Seeing no speakers, we will

 

      25        close that public hearing.

 

 

 

 

           Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203


 

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       1             Need a motion on the bill on -19.

 

       2             MR. REDMAN:  Make a motion.

 

       3             MR. JOOST:  Second.

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on

 

       5        2010-19.

 

       6             Please open the ballot.

 

       7             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

       8             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

       9             MR. JONES:  (Votes yea.)

 

      10             MR. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      11             MR. DAVIS:  (Votes yea.)

 

      12             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      13             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  Close the ballot, record the

 

      15        vote.

 

      16             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      17             MS. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nays.

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

      19        approved 2010-19.

 

      20             Number 21, 2010-20.  I need a motion on the

 

      21        bill.

 

      22             MR. REDMAN:  Make a motion to approve it.

 

      23             MR. JONES:  Second.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on

 

      25        2010-20.

 

 

 

 

           Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203


 

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       1             Please open the ballot.

 

       2             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

       3             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

       4             MR. JONES:  (Votes yea.)

 

       5             MR. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       6             MR. DAVIS:  (Votes yea.)

 

       7             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

       8             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  Close the ballot, record the

 

      10        vote.

 

      11             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      12             MR. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nays.

 

      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

      14        approved 2010-20.

 

      15             Let's see.  And if we can move to page 9,

 

      16        number 25.

 

      17             MR. HARDEN:  Paul Harden, 501 Riverside

 

      18        Avenue.

 

      19             This is, again, a comp plan amendment,

 

      20        semiannual transmittal.  This is in the

 

      21        chairman's district.  It's to go to an

 

      22        industrial heavy use.  All the surrounding uses

 

      23        are industrial heavy currently.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.

 

      25             MR. HARDEN:  All the surrounding -- not

 

 

 

 

           Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203


 

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       1        surrounding uses, surrounding zonings.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  We will open the

 

       3        public hearing.

 

       4             Anybody need to speak to Mr. Harden about

 

       5        this one?

 

       6             Mr. Crofts, do you have anything that needs

 

       7        to go in the public hearing?

 

       8             MR. CROFTS:  Staff recommends approval.

 

       9             And, you know, that basically wraps it up.

 

      10        I have nothing else to add.

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Thank you, sir.

 

      12             Close the public hearing.

 

      13             Need a motion on the bill.

 

      14             MR. JONES:  Move the bill.

 

      15             MR. JOOST:  Second.

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on the

 

      17        bill.

 

      18             Please open the ballot.

 

      19             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      20             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      21             MR. JONES:  (Votes yea.)

 

      22             MR. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      23             MR. DAVIS:  (Votes yea.)

 

      24             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      25             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

 

 

 

           Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203


 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  Close the ballot, record the

 

       2        vote.

 

       3             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

       4             MR. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nays.

 

       5             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

       6        approved 2010-24.

 

       7             Thank you, sir.

 

       8             All right.  Let's see if I can get back to

 

       9        where we were before without missing any items.

 

      10             All right.  We have done all of page 4, 5,

 

      11        and up to number 11.

 

      12             Item 12 is deferred.  Item 13 we opened.  I

 

      13        think we need to pick up with item 14 on page 7,

 

      14        2010-13.  We'll open that public hearing.

 

      15             I have Paul Witt here for questions only.

 

      16             Anybody have any questions for Mr. Witt?

 

      17             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Mr. Crofts, do

 

      19        you have anything to add in the public hearing?

 

      20             MR. CROFTS:  No, sir.  This is a

 

      21        conventional rezoning and staff recommends

 

      22        approval.  It's consistent with the surrounding

 

      23        development and the 2010 Comprehensive Plan.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  Excellent.  Thank you, sir.

 

      25             We'll close that public hearing.

 

 

 

 

           Diane M. Tropia, P.O. Box 2375, Jacksonville, FL 32203


 

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       1             Need a motion on the bill.

 

       2             MR. JONES:  Move the bill.

 

       3             MR. REDMAN:  Second.

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on

 

       5        2010-13.

 

       6             Please open the ballot.

 

       7             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

       8             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

       9             MR. JONES:  (Votes yea.)

 

      10             MR. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      11             MR. DAVIS:  (Votes yea.)

 

      12             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      13             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  Close the ballot, record the

 

      15        vote.

 

      16             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      17             MR. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nays.

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

      19        approved 2010-13.

 

      20             All right.  Number 15 is a waiver of road

 

      21        frontage.  We will open that public hearing.

 

      22             I have Mr. Dan Boswell.

 

      23             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

      24             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Yes.

 

      25             Dan Boswell, 4014 Ranie Road, Jacksonville,

 

 

 

 

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       1        Florida 32218.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Did you want to

 

       3        speak now, or did you want to hear from the

 

       4        Planning Department first?

 

       5             MR. BOSWELL:  Might as well hear from the

 

       6        Planning Department, please.

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Mr. Crofts or

 

       8        Mr. Kelly, whoever wants to handle it, can

 

       9        you-all tell us about this?  Because I know we

 

      10        have a recommendation of denial on this.

 

      11             MR. KELLY:  That's correct.  Thank you.

 

      12             To the Chair, members of the Land Use and

 

      13        Zoning Committee, application for the waiver of

 

      14        minimum required road frontage, WRF-09-16, and

 

      15        ordinance 2010-14 seeks to reduce the required

 

      16        minimum road frontage for four lots.  There's

 

      17        actually five lots, I guess, proposed in this

 

      18        development, but four of the lots do not have

 

      19        any legal road frontage on an approved public or

 

      20        an approved private right-of-way.

 

      21             The department feels that this is an

 

      22        accumulative detrimental effect and, in fact,

 

      23        the de facto subdivision as a result where

 

      24        you're allowing for the continuation and the lot

 

      25        split without regard for the health, safety and

 

 

 

 

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       1        welfare in making sure that these lots are

 

       2        accessible from an approved public or an

 

       3        approved private road.  We feel that this

 

       4        request, again, circumvents the subdivision

 

       5        regulations.  And for this number of lots, we

 

       6        would not support this request.

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, sir.

 

       8             Anybody have any questions for Mr. Kelly or

 

       9        any comments?

 

      10             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  I have a question,

 

      12        Mr. Kelly.

 

      13             Just looking through the notes on this, it

 

      14        was my understanding that at one point at least,

 

      15        there were four mobile homes on this property;

 

      16        is that right?

 

      17             MR. KELLY:  I would defer to the applicant

 

      18        if this was previously a mobile home park, which

 

      19        may have been there.  But even at that time,

 

      20        because of the condition --

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  There are four addresses.

 

      22             MR. KELLY:  Correct.

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.

 

      24             MR. KELLY:  So -- but even at that time,

 

      25        the condition of the Taylor Estates Lane was not

 

 

 

 

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       1        up to City standards.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.

 

       3             All right.  Go ahead, Mr. Boswell.  It's

 

       4        all yours.

 

       5             MR. BOSWELL:  Yes.  Thank you.

 

       6             This is -- these lots that face Taylor

 

       7        Estates Lane are preexisting mobile home lots.

 

       8        They've been there for many years, and each of

 

       9        them have their own septic tank and well

 

      10        system.  And there are -- this short private

 

      11        road, there are other mobile home lots on the

 

      12        same private road.

 

      13             There are not any mobile homes there right

 

      14        now.  They were removed by the owner because he

 

      15        was tired of renting these out and they were

 

      16        having some issues with the renters keeping the

 

      17        property up.  And he thought, well, with owners

 

      18        there, if they purchased the property in

 

      19        conjunction with a new mobile home, then they

 

      20        would take better care of the property and the

 

      21        neighborhood would be happier with the people

 

      22        living there.

 

      23             There are four separate addresses for those

 

      24        properties.  There are other residences on that

 

      25        same lane of the same size and condition of the

 

 

 

 

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       1        lots.  So this is not asking for a rezoning or

 

       2        land use change where we're taking something

 

       3        more aggressive in the neighborhood there.  It's

 

       4        already been there, it's preexisting.  And all

 

       5        he's asking to do is break up the property so it

 

       6        can be sold off, the lots can be sold off.

 

       7             And one of the things he is going to do is

 

       8        to provide public JEA water to the properties.

 

       9             And that's pretty much it.

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Jones, you have a

 

      11        question for Mr. Boswell?

 

      12             MR. JONES:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

 

      13             Through the Chair to Mr. Boswell.  If he's

 

      14        going to sell them off, how will people access

 

      15        those individual lots?

 

      16             MR. BOSWELL:  They'll access them from that

 

      17        Taylor Lane to a private road.  It's only about

 

      18        a one-block-long private road that comes off of

 

      19        Pritchard Road.

 

      20             Across the road facing these properties is

 

      21        all industrial park, which are warehousing

 

      22        and -- but on this side of the road, it's pretty

 

      23        much all mobile homes and very much older homes

 

      24        that are on this side of the road.  And most of

 

      25        them are RLD-60, which is 60-foot-wide lots.

 

 

 

 

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       1        And that's what this is.  These have a minimum

 

       2        of 60-foot width plus.

 

       3             MR. JONES:  Now, the private road, who is

 

       4        it maintained by?

 

       5             MR. BOSWELL:  It's maintained right now

 

       6        privately.  It's not maintained by the City

 

       7        because it's a private road.  But all the other

 

       8        people on the road are in the same situation as

 

       9        these four lots are.

 

      10             There is no increase in the density, what's

 

      11        being asked for.  These are preexisting.

 

      12        They've been there for a long time.  And

 

      13        that's -- the only reason that we're going

 

      14        forward, it's -- right now, currently, they're

 

      15        all under one RE number.  And to be able to sell

 

      16        them off individually, they need to be broken

 

      17        up.  That's all.

 

      18             MR. JONES:  Does the private road meet the

 

      19        minimum City standards for a private road?

 

      20             MR. BOSWELL:  It appears to be.

 

      21             There's a short piece of a public road

 

      22        coming off -- what appears to be a public road

 

      23        coming off of Pritchard Road, which goes maybe

 

      24        40 to 50 feet in.  And then it goes from paved

 

      25        down to a dirt road and continues maybe -- maybe

 

 

 

 

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       1        250 feet further on this dirt road to service

 

       2        the other residences there as well as these.

 

       3             MR. JONES:  So in the event of an

 

       4        emergency, you have access?

 

       5             MR. BOSWELL:  Yes, sir.

 

       6             MR. JONES:  Police, fire, rescue?

 

       7             MR. BOSWELL:  Absolutely.  Yes, sir.

 

       8             MR. JONES:  Thank you.

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Brown.

 

      10             MR. BROWN:  Yes, Mr. Chairman.

 

      11             I would like to ask to defer this for two

 

      12        weeks.  The reason being is that typically I do

 

      13        like to lean towards the subject matter expert

 

      14        in their decision and support their decision

 

      15        because they are the subject matter expert, but

 

      16        I also like to be able to have a visual

 

      17        opportunity to go out to the site to see what

 

      18        you're talking about.  That way I won't make a

 

      19        decision to or not to support without all the

 

      20        information.

 

      21             And I didn't reach out to you, you didn't

 

      22        reach out to me.  But I would like that

 

      23        opportunity, you know, before.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  I'd be happy to.

 

      25             MR. BROWN:  Thank you.

 

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  I'd be happy to defer this

 

       2        item.

 

       3             All right.  Mr. Boswell, if you can follow

 

       4        up with Mr. Brown another time.

 

       5             MR. BOSWELL:  (Inaudible.)

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  We will defer this item and

 

       7        take it up in two weeks.

 

       8             MR. BOSWELL:  Thank you.

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, sir.

 

      10             I'm sorry.  We will continue the public

 

      11        hearing.

 

      12             We will continue that public hearing until

 

      13        3/2.

 

      14             All right.  I'm sorry to be jumping around

 

      15        so much, folks, but I've got some folks that

 

      16        have to go to other public meetings.  So if we

 

      17        could jump forward to item number 27 on page 10,

 

      18        2010-26.  We will open that public hearing.

 

      19             All right.

 

      20             (Mr. Hainline approaches the podium.)

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Crofts, do you want to

 

      22        start us off on this, and then I know

 

      23        Mr. Hainline has been working with some of the

 

      24        neighbors on additional conditions.

 

      25             MR. CROFTS:  This proposed amendment

 

 

 

 

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       1        consists of approximately 2,312 acres of

 

       2        undeveloped land that's currently used for

 

       3        silviculture uses.  It's located in the north

 

       4        planning district at the intersection --

 

       5        approximately at the intersection of Braddock

 

       6        Road and Lem Turner Road.

 

       7             The existing AGR land uses exist on the

 

       8        property.  And the request is for a multiuse.

 

       9        The multiuse is intended to accommodate a

 

      10        large-scale project offering flexibility and

 

      11        intensity and a density through various

 

      12        development phases.

 

      13             There are some specific requirements in

 

      14        this land use amendment dealing with the detail

 

      15        number of drawing units, the maximum square

 

      16        footage, et cetera, and other improvements to

 

      17        the property dealing with public buildings

 

      18        facilities and recreation open space and

 

      19        conservation issues.

 

      20             Staff has looked at the proposed amendment,

 

      21        has evaluated it in terms of its attributes

 

      22        regarding the appropriate mix, internal

 

      23        compatibility and external compatibility, and

 

      24        consistency with the 2010 Comprehensive Plan.

 

      25             There are numerous objectives and policies

 

 

 

 

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       1        within that plan -- within our comprehensive

 

       2        plan that we find in support of this particular

 

       3        amendment.  And we do so, we recommend

 

       4        approval.

 

       5             And there are some specific recommendations

 

       6        in terms of specificity that are related in

 

       7        terms of a policy 3.18.  And with those specific

 

       8        recommendations, we find it's consistent with

 

       9        the comprehensive plan, the regional policy

 

      10        plan, and the state comprehensive plan.

 

      11             With that, the Planning and Development

 

      12        Department recommends approval with an

 

      13        asterisk.

 

      14             And I'll leave it at that for now.

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you.

 

      16             Mr. Reingold.

 

      17             MR. REINGOLD:  To the Chair, just to follow

 

      18        up on what Mr. Crofts was saying.  There's

 

      19        just -- I know there's an amendment marked on

 

      20        your agenda and I just wanted to raise that.

 

      21        Essentially that is to change the exhibit

 

      22        dealing with RE numbers and ownership.

 

      23             And, second, there was a change to the

 

      24        policy that is reflected in the staff report.

 

      25             In addition to that, there is some language

 

 

 

 

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       1        that Mr. Hainline has presented at the Planning

 

       2        Commission that the Planning Commission

 

       3        adopted.  So that would be an amendment if the

 

       4        Planning -- if the LUZ Committee so chose.

 

       5             THE CHAIRMAN:  Excellent.  And if

 

       6        Mr. Hainline has anything else to add, we'll

 

       7        wrap them all up into one.

 

       8             Go ahead, Mr. Hainline.

 

       9             MR. HAINLINE:  T.R. Hainline, 1301

 

      10        Riverplace Boulevard.

 

      11             Some of the neighbors are here, so I want

 

      12        to make sure that they understand what's

 

      13        happening.  But what is part of this amendment

 

      14        is what the Planning Commission adopted

 

      15        regarding the no multifamily around that -- in

 

      16        the south of Braddock Road area and the buffer

 

      17        relating to 50 feet with a wall or 100 feet with

 

      18        landscaping.

 

      19             MR. REINGOLD:  Just to confirm, that is

 

      20        correct.

 

      21             MR. HAINLINE:  Councilman Holt, the only

 

      22        thing I would add to that, having discussed with

 

      23        some of the neighbors and with the Braddocks

 

      24        just here before the hearing is that everyone is

 

      25        in agreement that instead of a wall or

 

 

 

 

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       1        landscaping within these buffers or potential

 

       2        buffers, that everyone would be happy with a

 

       3        berm with some landscaping on it.

 

       4             So instead of a wall in the 50-foot buffer,

 

       5        I've written "berm" in here.  And then as to the

 

       6        potential 100-foot buffer, we've also added

 

       7        "with berm."  And we're in agreement with the

 

       8        neighbors that between now and adoption of the

 

       9        amendment -- which is the next set of hearings.

 

      10             And then also between now and the planned

 

      11        unit development rezoning, which would be the

 

      12        third set of hearings on this, that we would

 

      13        work out the details of the buffers, which would

 

      14        be a minimum of what's prescribed in here as

 

      15        well as the details of the berm.

 

      16             And we've knocked some things around that

 

      17        seem okay.  We need to have some engineers draw

 

      18        them out, but we've knocked around the

 

      19        possibility of a six-foot berm with a four-foot

 

      20        landscape buffer on top of it.  And we'll have

 

      21        some landscape architects and engineers knock

 

      22        that out between now and adoption in the PUD and

 

      23        think we'll be bringing something to you with

 

      24        that everybody agrees upon then.

 

      25             But for right now, we have minimums that

 

 

 

 

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       1        the Planning Commission adopted, and what I'm

 

       2        changing in it is -- and, Dylan, I can give you

 

       3        this (indicating) -- is that it would be a berm

 

       4        in either the 50- or the 100-foot buffer.  I

 

       5        think I've accurately represented that.  And it

 

       6        might be that either Mr. Woolridge or

 

       7        Mr. Steinmyer (phonetic) would want to come up

 

       8        here.

 

       9             Overall, this is more than 2,000 acres.

 

      10        And there's a lot I could say about it, but I

 

      11        think Mr. Crofts has summarized it.  You have a

 

      12        long agenda, so I won't go into a big

 

      13        presentation, but I will turn in this modified

 

      14        language here.  And there's a lot more I could

 

      15        say.  But, again, you've got a long agenda.

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  Anybody else have any

 

      17        questions of Mr. Hainline?  If not, I do.

 

      18             Mr. Joost.

 

      19             MR. JOOST:  Just real quick.

 

      20             The berm is going around the part that you

 

      21        outlined as the outparcel?

 

      22             MR. HAINLINE:  It will go -- we anticipate

 

      23        that there will be some retail commercial uses

 

      24        at that southeast corner of Braddock and

 

      25        Lem Turner.  There will be no multifamily uses

 

 

 

 

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       1        in that quadrant.  The berm is applicable

 

       2        between any existing residential and any retail

 

       3        commercial.  So, yes, sir, if there is --

 

       4             MR. JOOST:  It will primarily be the thing

 

       5        that's labeled "outparcel," roughly?

 

       6             MR. HAINLINE:  Correct.

 

       7             That's the only place it applies because

 

       8        that's the only existing residential that this

 

       9        amendment is adjacent to.

 

      10             MR. JOOST:  And how high is the berm

 

      11        again?

 

      12             MR. HAINLINE:  Well, we have a PUD that can

 

      13        work out the details of it.  What the Planning

 

      14        Commission's condition specified was a minimum

 

      15        50-foot buffer with a wall.  We'll substitute

 

      16        that with a berm, or a minimum 100-foot buffer

 

      17        with landscaping, and that would be a landscaped

 

      18        berm as well.

 

      19             So dimensions that we talked about were a

 

      20        six-foot berm and four foot of landscaping, but

 

      21        we need a -- we need a landscape architect and

 

      22        an engineer to plot that out to see exactly what

 

      23        that looks like and how it fits within that 50-

 

      24        to 100-foot dimension.

 

      25             MR. JOOST:  All that's going to come back

 

 

 

 

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       1        to us anyway; is that correct?

 

       2             MR. HAINLINE:  You will see the details of

 

       3        that, yes, sir, in the PUD that we bring before

 

       4        you.  And that will have been something that

 

       5        Mr. Steinmyer and Mr. Woolridge and Mr. Braddock

 

       6        and his family have all through -- with me

 

       7        working with them will all have worked out.

 

       8             MR. JOOST:  Okay.  Thank you.

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Joost.

 

      10             And that was basically my question, was --

 

      11        so the language will say that -- you say 50 and

 

      12        100.  Basically you would go to the 100, being

 

      13        higher.  It would be a 100-foot buffer from any

 

      14        of those properties with a berm -- landscape

 

      15        berm?

 

      16             MR. HAINLINE:  Well, yes, sir, except there

 

      17        is the possibility, if everything fits in the

 

      18        50 feet, the berm and the landscaping and

 

      19        everything to everyone's satisfaction, then that

 

      20        would be -- that could work out too.

 

      21             So, in other words, we're not specifying a

 

      22        minimum of 100 feet.  We're specifying a minimum

 

      23        of 50 feet, but we are saying that within that,

 

      24        there will be a visual screen that will include

 

      25        a berm.

 

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.

 

       2             MR. HAINLINE:  When you do a six-foot berm,

 

       3        you have to have the slopes, the side slopes on

 

       4        it.  And what I can't tell you right now is, if

 

       5        you do a six-foot berm, how wide those side

 

       6        slopes are.  It has to do with the angle, it has

 

       7        to do -- you don't want something so steep that

 

       8        it erodes.  You want it gradual.  It will have

 

       9        to do with the landscaping and where it's put,

 

      10        both on the top and sides.

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  Right.  But it will

 

      12        certainly be less than 50 feet, I would think.

 

      13             MR. HAINLINE:  Yes, probably.

 

      14             But, for example, if it's within that

 

      15        50 feet, there's going to be this -- there's

 

      16        going to be this berm.  It may be that there's

 

      17        some existing trees within that that they would

 

      18        want to save.  So the berm may wrap around a

 

      19        little bit.  I mean, there are different things

 

      20        that might happen.  And it may be that it fits

 

      21        fine within the 50 feet or it may be that it

 

      22        doesn't.

 

      23             What we would like is the possibility

 

      24        that -- if it fits fine within that 50 feet and

 

      25        everybody is happy with it within that 50 feet,

 

 

 

 

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       1        that we can do it within that 50 feet.

 

       2             There are some parcels that are Braddock

 

       3        parcels that they're keeping as family parcels,

 

       4        and those are going to serve as buffers in

 

       5        part.  And so if it's 50 feet plus the Braddock

 

       6        parcel, that's yet even a bigger dimension.  So,

 

       7        I mean, we would like to be able to keep the

 

       8        50 feet as a possibility if everything can be

 

       9        done within it.

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.

 

      11             All right.  And you guys are going to work

 

      12        on this in the next week before we come to

 

      13        council to get clarification on it?

 

      14             MR. HAINLINE:  We can, or between now and

 

      15        the PUD -- I mean, we won't be coming back to

 

      16        the council with you're going to have

 

      17        four-foot-high ligustrums because that's not --

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  No, I don't expect that.

 

      19             MR. HAINLINE:  Right.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Well, I

 

      21        appreciate it.

 

      22             Mr. Reingold.

 

      23             MR. REINGOLD:  I know we've kicked this

 

      24        around a little bit, but I just wanted to ask,

 

      25        through the Chair to Mr. Hainline, when you read

 

 

 

 

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       1        it and it says either a minimum 50-foot buffer

 

       2        and berm or a minimum 100-foot buffer and

 

       3        landscaping with berm, it almost makes the

 

       4        second portion about the 100-foot buffer

 

       5        superfluous.  And I'm just trying to get my

 

       6        hands around if we're allowing it to be 50 foot

 

       7        with a berm or 100 foot with a berm, why the

 

       8        second part of that phrase is added.

 

       9             MR. HAINLINE:  Well, here's the facts on

 

      10        that.  We just -- we just discussed this five

 

      11        minutes before the hearing.  If I'd had more

 

      12        time to wordsmith it, like between now and next

 

      13        Tuesday, I might be able to do that.

 

      14             And if we want to do that and make this

 

      15        condition something we'll work on between now

 

      16        and next Tuesday, I'm happy to do that.  But

 

      17        Mr. Steinmyer and I had tried to reach each

 

      18        other over the past 24 hours and just hadn't

 

      19        been able to, so this was the best I could do in

 

      20        the few minutes that we had.

 

      21             So, I mean, I'm happy to take that and work

 

      22        some more on it between now and Tuesday if

 

      23        that's -- if that's what the committee's wish

 

      24        is.

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Well, I'm

 

 

 

 

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       1        comfortable with you guys moving over the next

 

       2        week and getting some of these details hammered

 

       3        out.

 

       4             Anybody have anymore questions of

 

       5        Mr. Hainline?

 

       6             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  We have one

 

       8        other speaker, Mr. Braddock.

 

       9             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  Good evening, Mr. Braddock.

 

      11             If you could give your name and address for

 

      12        the record, please.

 

      13             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

 

      14             I am Tom Braddock, and I raise pine trees

 

      15        and cattle and grow hay out at 14960 Braddock

 

      16        Road, and that's some wet country right now.

 

      17             We've been blessed with excessive rainfall

 

      18        this year, but the old land is holding well and

 

      19        the water table is favorable to all of us.  I

 

      20        guess I want some of it to recede quickly.  I'm

 

      21        not going to get into details with you-all.

 

      22        That's left for these other folks.

 

      23             But I would like to share with you the fact

 

      24        that I was born a long time ago on that very

 

      25        land.  My father and his father acquired that

 

 

 

 

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       1        land in the first part of the 19th century.  My

 

       2        dad and his fathers partnered in a sawmill and

 

       3        operated that sawmill until my father died.

 

       4             And I have to share this with you:  I

 

       5        can't -- I think of it every time I drive by the

 

       6        old terminal downtown.  They had a contract with

 

       7        the WCP People's Company to supply the two by

 

       8        eights, the floor, the area between the trains

 

       9        that would come in there.  And that contract

 

      10        went for years, and people would debark from the

 

      11        trains and get on that walkway and go into the

 

      12        main terminal, but that's part of history.

 

      13             And on that land, mom and dad raised seven

 

      14        of us children.  Dad passed away in 1960.  And

 

      15        they put us all through college.  We had a good

 

      16        education.  And every one of them are living in

 

      17        Jacksonville, which I think says a lot about our

 

      18        confidence in the city of Jacksonville and its

 

      19        future.

 

      20             The children of all of the families -- and

 

      21        there's some fourth generation that are here in

 

      22        Jacksonville making this their home and one has

 

      23        just come back from Tallahassee.

 

      24             So I say that to say this:  When dad passed

 

      25        away and the land came to we children, we all

 

 

 

 

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       1        together agreed that some day that land would be

 

       2        needed for a different use.  And in view of

 

       3        that, we all were in total agreement that

 

       4        whatever use it was put to, we'd like to do all

 

       5        we could to assure that it was put to use in a

 

       6        project that would be a credit to the north side

 

       7        of Jacksonville, and we think this project

 

       8        that's being proposed will do that.

 

       9             This property was a part of an earlier

 

      10        plan -- and I'll move on -- part of an earlier

 

      11        plan of a DRI that was headed up by Mitch

 

      12        Montgomery called Timucuan (phonetic).  And, of

 

      13        course, the economy went flat.  And that was

 

      14        beside.  And so we've decided to go ahead on our

 

      15        own to ask for a land use amendment to bring it

 

      16        up to a plan that would assure us and Northside

 

      17        Jacksonville and the citizens in that area that

 

      18        it would not be a hodgepodge development but a

 

      19        good master plan.

 

      20             So we're hopeful that that can happen.  And

 

      21        if it's not in my lifetime, after that.  But

 

      22        we're hopeful that it will happen and it will be

 

      23        a credit to Jacksonville.  And we're just

 

      24        hopeful that you folks will feel in agreement

 

      25        with what we hope will take place.

 

 

 

 

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       1             Thank you for your --

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Braddock.

 

       3        Mr. Jones has a question for you.

 

       4             MR. JONES:  I just wanted to thank you,

 

       5        Mr. Braddock, for that support.

 

       6             It makes it a lot easier on us to

 

       7        understand that the community is supporting it.

 

       8        And we know about your service through the

 

       9        extension center and we appreciate that and all

 

      10        the contributions you made to this community.

 

      11             Thank you.

 

      12             MR. BRADDOCK:  Thank you so much.  And I

 

      13        say the same to you, Mr. Jones.

 

      14             Been a pleasure to see all of you.  Thank

 

      15        you for your public service.

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you for coming down.

 

      17             All right.  Seeing no further speakers, we

 

      18        will close that public hearing and --

 

      19             MR. JOOST:  Move the amendment.

 

      20             MR. REDMAN:  Second.

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  We'll move the amendment as

 

      22        amended by Mr. Hainline.

 

      23             Do we have all that language,

 

      24        Mr. Reingold?

 

      25             MR. REINGOLD:  To the Chair and to the

 

 

 

 

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       1        committee, the amendment would essentially be

 

       2        that it would change the exhibit with the RE

 

       3        numbers and the ownership, and also would change

 

       4        the policy to reflect the policy as written in

 

       5        the staff report and the language adopted by the

 

       6        Planning Commission with the small change.

 

       7             The one thing I would recommend is that, if

 

       8        the berm was wanting to be included as part of

 

       9        the amended language, I would just recommend

 

      10        that at the end it just says either include --

 

      11        that includes a minimum 50-foot buffer and

 

      12        landscaped berm, period.  As I said it before, I

 

      13        just think "and a minimum 100-foot buffer" makes

 

      14        it confusing and superfluous.

 

      15             That would be my recommendation.

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Well, let's move

 

      17        forward with the amendment with that language

 

      18        and the understanding that they're going to work

 

      19        on this over the next week and come up with the

 

      20        final version.

 

      21             Mr. Joost, did you want to speak again?

 

      22             MR. JOOST:  Just real quick.

 

      23             I mean, not to beat a dead horse.  Why

 

      24        couldn't you just say with the minimum 50 feet

 

      25        with the max of 100 feet?  I mean, that's kind

 

 

 

 

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       1        of what I got out of it.

 

       2             MR. REINGOLD:  I guess if they want to do

 

       3        more than 150-foot buffer, certainly I think --

 

       4        I don't think anyone would fight them on doing

 

       5        more than 100 feet.

 

       6             MR. JOOST:  All right.

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  Yeah.  All right.  So that

 

       8        amendment has been moved.  And did I get a

 

       9        second?

 

      10             MR. JONES:  Second.

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on the

 

      12        amendment as amended this evening.

 

      13             All in favor signify by saying aye.

 

      14             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Aye.

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  Amendment passes.

 

      16             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill as amended.

 

      17             MR. JONES:  Second.

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on the

 

      19        bill as amended.

 

      20             Please open the ballot.

 

      21             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      22             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      23             MR. JONES:  (Votes yea.)

 

      24             MR. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      25             MR. DAVIS:  (Votes yea.)

 

 

 

 

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       1             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

       2             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  Close the ballot, record the

 

       4        vote.

 

       5             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

       6             MR. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nays.

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you have

 

       8        approved 2010-26 as amended.

 

       9             Mr. Reingold.

 

      10             MR. REINGOLD:  And just to let the Chair

 

      11        know, I will be happy to work with both

 

      12        Mr. Hainline and the neighbors to come up with

 

      13        some revised language over the next couple days.

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  That would be excellent.

 

      15        Thank you, sir.

 

      16             All right.  I'm going to do one more jump

 

      17        for Mr. Hainline here because he's got to go to

 

      18        a meeting.

 

      19             Page 11, number 30, which is 2010-30

 

      20        ironically enough.

 

      21             We'll open the public hearing.

 

      22             Mr. Crofts.

 

      23             MR. CROFTS:  Yes.  Mr. Chairman and members

 

      24        of the committee, this proposed amendment

 

      25        consists of approximately 2,200 -- I'm sorry --

 

 

 

 

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       1        2,216 acres of undeveloped land.  It is located

 

       2        in the north planning district, off Yellow Bluff

 

       3        Road, north of Starratt Road, and within the

 

       4        boundaries of Council District 11.

 

       5             The existing rural residential land use

 

       6        designation is proposed to be a change to the

 

       7        multiuse land use designation, similar to the

 

       8        previous amendment.

 

       9             The proposed MU category, when it's --

 

      10        we've indicated previously, incorporate a mix of

 

      11        uses, including those uses within the rural

 

      12        residential, low density residential, medium

 

      13        density residential, community/general/

 

      14        commercial and public buildings and facilities

 

      15        categories as well as recreation and open space

 

      16        and the conservation land use category.

 

      17             The current zoning of the property is rural

 

      18        residential and the proposed ultimate rezoning

 

      19        of this property will be to planned unit

 

      20        development.  A mix of residential and

 

      21        nonresidential uses will be incorporated into

 

      22        this multiuse land use category.

 

      23             The proposed development potential of this

 

      24        land use amendment includes up to 7,500

 

      25        residential dwelling units, a maximum of 900,000

 

 

 

 

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       1        square feet of nonresidential CGC types of uses,

 

       2        and a minimum of 66.5 acres of PBF uses and

 

       3        slightly over 200 acres of ROS or recreation

 

       4        open space and conservation uses.

 

       5             The department has gone through an

 

       6        extensive review of this proposal and evaluated

 

       7        its impacts.  We have evaluated, in terms of

 

       8        consistency with the comprehensive plan, the

 

       9        applicable vision and master plan, the regional

 

      10        policy plan and the state comprehensive plan.

 

      11        There are numerous policies in each of those

 

      12        documents that this -- we find this to be --

 

      13        this application to be consistent with.  And the

 

      14        staff recommends approval with an asterisk,

 

      15        which amends the legislation that has some

 

      16        specific requirements.

 

      17             And I'll be glad to answer those if there

 

      18        are any further questions or any more inquires

 

      19        about the specific policy, but it relates back

 

      20        to specific levels of use and intensity of use

 

      21        and some other conditions that we're

 

      22        incorporating into the approval of this

 

      23        amendment.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Mr. Reingold has a

 

      25        question.

 

 

 

 

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       1             MR. REINGOLD:  Just a comment.

 

       2             The amendment as identified on this side is

 

       3        just that the number of trips would not be 7,757

 

       4        but 7,794.  I just wanted to clarify what the

 

       5        amendment was.

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  You guys okay with that,

 

       7        Mr. Crofts?  Got that language correct?

 

       8             MR. CROFTS:  Yes.

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Mr. Hainline, you're

 

      10        on.

 

      11             MR. HAINLINE:  T.R. Hainline, 1301

 

      12        Riverplace Boulevard.

 

      13             Mr. Chairman, are there any other speakers

 

      14        who submitted cards on this?

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  No, sir.

 

      16             MR. HAINLINE:  Okay.  Then I'll be brief.

 

      17             When we started off on this amendment,

 

      18        Mr. Holt asked us to have community meetings out

 

      19        there.  About eight community meetings later, we

 

      20        have -- we have this amendment with nobody here

 

      21        to speak, which I'm grateful for the effort of

 

      22        Mr. Holt's staff and the CPAC and Don Ruckman,

 

      23        who is my boss on this amendment, who went to

 

      24        all these community meetings with us.

 

      25             And I see Mike Detrael (phonetic) is there

 

 

 

 

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       1        too, who -- he was one of the communities we met

 

       2        with.

 

       3             This is a big piece of property.  It is a

 

       4        beautiful piece of property with frontage on the

 

       5        Nassau River.  It could be, you know, the next

 

       6        Amelia Island some day for the Northside, and

 

       7        it's very exiting.

 

       8             So to have it go through so quickly is a

 

       9        good thing, but I don't want you to

 

      10        underestimate that this is a lot of property and

 

      11        going to be a great thing one day.

 

      12             So thank you.  I'll be happy to answer any

 

      13        questions.

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  Anybody have any questions

 

      15        for Mr. Hainline?

 

      16             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Seeing none, we'll

 

      18        close that public hearing.

 

      19             MR. JOOST:  Move the amendment.

 

      20             MR. JONES:  Second.

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on the

 

      22        amendment.

 

      23             Ail in favor of the amendment, signify by

 

      24        saying aye.

 

      25             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Aye.

 

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  The amendment passes.

 

       2             MR. JONES:  Move the bill as amended.

 

       3             MR. DAVIS:  Second.

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on the

 

       5        bill as amended.

 

       6             Please open the ballot.

 

       7             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

       8             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

       9             MR. JONES:  (Votes yea.)

 

      10             MR. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      11             MR. DAVIS:  (Votes yea.)

 

      12             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      13             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  Close the ballot, record the

 

      15        vote.

 

      16             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      17             MR. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nays.

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

      19        approved 2010-30.

 

      20             All right.  Let's see.  All right.  Going

 

      21        back to where we left off, which I believe is

 

      22        number 16 on page 7.  Sorry about that jumping

 

      23        around, folks.

 

      24             We'll open the public hearing.  We have

 

      25        Emilio Montilla.

 

 

 

 

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       1             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Good evening, sir.

 

       3             Please give your name and address for the

 

       4        record.

 

       5             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Emilio Montilla, 7504

 

       6        (inaudible) Lane, Jacksonville, Florida.

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you.

 

       8             You have three minutes.

 

       9             MR. MONTILLA:  This is for a sign waiver on

 

      10        a property I'm an agent for on Beaver Street,

 

      11        2363 Beaver Street.

 

      12             That sign's been in the family company for

 

      13        over -- the building -- the lot has been in the

 

      14        family business for over 20 years.  That sign

 

      15        has been there for the whole time.  It was taken

 

      16        down in '92 when the FDOT worked on Beaver

 

      17        Street and it was put back up that same month

 

      18        with the fence, which were both taken down.  I

 

      19        was just hoping I could keep my sign where it's

 

      20        at.

 

      21             That's pretty much it.

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Mr. Jones, did

 

      23        you want to ask a question, or did you want to

 

      24        have Mr. Crofts speak first?

 

      25             MR. JONES:  (Inaudible.)

 

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Sir, if you could

 

       2        hold on and we'll let Mr. Kelly say something.

 

       3             I'm sorry.  I kind of went out of order, so

 

       4        let's hear from Mr. Kelly first.

 

       5             MR. KELLY:  Thank you.

 

       6             To the Chair and committee, ordinance

 

       7        2010-15 seeks to allow for a reduction in the

 

       8        minimum setback of an existing sign from ten

 

       9        feet to four feet.  The subject property is

 

      10        zoned CCG-2.

 

      11             Apparently some of the road widening effort

 

      12        and work that have gone on along Beaver Street

 

      13        essentially made the sign illegal, and I

 

      14        believe -- I believe there was a change in

 

      15        ownership on this site, which necessitated the

 

      16        waiver requirement.

 

      17             The department finds that it's no hindrance

 

      18        to any health, safety issue and is recommending

 

      19        approval.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, sir.

 

      21             Mr. Jones.

 

      22             MR. JONES:  Thank you.  Through the Chair.

 

      23        The last name?

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Montilla.

 

      25             MR. JONES:  Montilla?

 

 

 

 

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       1             MR. MONTILLA:  Yes, sir.

 

       2             MR. JONES:  There was no road widening

 

       3        there.  Why did you have to take the sign down?

 

       4        All they did was resurface Beaver Street in that

 

       5        area.

 

       6             MR. MONTILLA:  They asked to take the fence

 

       7        down and the sign because the -- for the

 

       8        machinery to work in that area.  They actually

 

       9        didn't work on that specific ground, but the

 

      10        machinery needed to go there and use that area.

 

      11        So they actually didn't build on there, but the

 

      12        machinery needed to go through there.  They just

 

      13        needed access.

 

      14             MR. JONES:  And the sign is back up now?

 

      15             MR. MONTILLA:  Yes, sir, it is.

 

      16             MR. JONES:  Okay.  I go that way every day.

 

      17             MR. MONTILLA:  Yes, sir.

 

      18             MR. JONES:  Are you the agent or are you

 

      19        the owner?

 

      20             MR. MONTILLA:  I'm the agent for the

 

      21        company that owns the property.

 

      22             MR. JONES:  Okay.  You don't have a

 

      23        financial interest in the company, then?

 

      24             MR. MONTILLA:  It's a tenant that runs the

 

      25        body shop in there.  I own the property.

 

 

 

 

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       1             MR. JONES:  Okay.  But the tenant is the

 

       2        one that needs the sign back up?

 

       3             MR. MONTILLA:  Yes, sir.

 

       4             MR. JONES:  Okay.  I'll call you, but I

 

       5        have no problem with it.  I think it doesn't

 

       6        interfere with or distract the traffic flow on

 

       7        Beaver Street.  And I just know that they didn't

 

       8        widen the road.  That's why I was curious why

 

       9        you had to get a waiver to put it back.

 

      10             All right.  Thank you.

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Jones.

 

      12             All right.  I need an amendment to either

 

      13        grant the waiver or deny the waiver.

 

      14             MR. JONES:  Move the amendment to grant the

 

      15        waiver.

 

      16             MR. JOOST:  Second.

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  I have a motion and second

 

      18        on the amendment to grant the waiver.

 

      19             All in favor of the amendment, please

 

      20        signify by saying aye.

 

      21             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Aye.

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  Amendment passes.

 

      23             MR. JONES:  Move the bill as amended to

 

      24        grant the waiver.

 

      25             MR. JOOST:  Second.

 

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  I have a motion and a second

 

       2        on the bill to grant the waiver.

 

       3             Please open the ballot.

 

       4             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

       5             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

       6             MR. JONES:  (Votes yea.)

 

       7             MR. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       8             MR. DAVIS:  (Votes yea.)

 

       9             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      10             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  Close the ballot, record the

 

      12        vote.

 

      13             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      14             MR. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nays.

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you have

 

      16        granted the waiver.

 

      17             Item 17, 2010-16.  Open that public

 

      18        hearing.

 

      19             I have Mr. Saylor here.

 

      20             (Mr. Saylor approaches the podium.)

 

      21             MR. SAYLOR:  Mr. Chairman, Mike Saylor,

 

      22        1450 Flagler Avenue.

 

      23             I'm --

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  You want to speak first?

 

      25             MR. SAYLOR:  I will defer my comments and

 

 

 

 

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       1        let staff make my argument for me.

 

       2             Thanks.

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Crofts, Mr. Kelly, who

 

       4        wants to go?

 

       5             MR. CROFTS:  I will basically make it very

 

       6        brief in the sense that we've reviewed this.

 

       7             There is a recommendation of approval.  We

 

       8        feel it's appropriate in the area.  It's so

 

       9        designated for industrial development, and

 

      10        that's what the request is.

 

      11             It's in the industrial overlay area that

 

      12        we've created, and it's the appropriate use at

 

      13        this location on the St. Johns River and it's

 

      14        being used for this, as a matter of fact, at the

 

      15        current situation.  So we're really bringing it

 

      16        back into conformity with its current use as

 

      17        well.

 

      18             And as I said earlier on the other

 

      19        amendments, it's consistent with the variety --

 

      20        the litany of plans that we've utilized,

 

      21        including the comprehensive plan, and the staff

 

      22        recommends approval.

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Did we want to go

 

      24        through the amendment or are you guys okay?

 

      25             Mr. Reingold.

 

 

 

 

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       1             MR. REINGOLD:  Just the amendment swaps out

 

       2        the map included with the bill.  It essentially

 

       3        reflects the map that's in your book.

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  Excellent.

 

       5             All right.  Well, with that, we will close

 

       6        the public hearing.  I don't have any speakers.

 

       7             And I need a motion on the amendment.

 

       8             MR. REDMAN:  Make a motion to move the

 

       9        amendment.

 

      10             MR. JOOST:  Second.

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on the

 

      12        amendment.

 

      13             All in favor of the amendment, signify by

 

      14        saying aye.

 

      15             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Aye.

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  Amendment passes.

 

      17             MR. JONES:  Move the bill as amended.

 

      18             MR. DAVIS:  Second.

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on the

 

      20        bill as amended.

 

      21             Please open the ballot.

 

      22             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      23             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      24             MR. JONES:  (Votes yea.)

 

      25             MR. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

 

 

 

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       1             MR. DAVIS:  (Votes yea.)

 

       2             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

       3             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  Close the ballot, record the

 

       5        vote.

 

       6             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

       7             MS. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nays.

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

       9        approved 2010-16.

 

      10             Thank you, Mr. Saylor, for coming down.

 

      11             MR. SAYLOR:  Thank you.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Page 8, number

 

      13        18, 2010-17.

 

      14             We'll open the public hearing.

 

      15             Mr. Crofts.

 

      16             MR. CROFTS:  Okay.  Before the public

 

      17        hearing -- okay.  I will basically indicate

 

      18        again that staff has reviewed this application.

 

      19        It is property located on the north side of

 

      20        Atlantic Boulevard.  It's approximately 2,500

 

      21        feet west of Kernan Boulevard and access to the

 

      22        property is from Atlantic Boulevard.  It's a

 

      23        63.95-acre amendment, and the applicant proposes

 

      24        to use the property for commercial/retail.

 

      25             From the existing business park and RPI

 

 

 

 

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       1        land use classification -- and staff has gone

 

       2        through an extensive analysis, feels that it's

 

       3        appropriate at this location and consistent with

 

       4        the comprehensive plan and applicable regional

 

       5        policy plan and state comprehensive plan.

 

       6             Thank you.

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, sir.

 

       8             Mr. Herzberg.

 

       9             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

      10             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Mr. Chairman, my name is

 

      11        Mike Herzberg.  My address is 1 Sleiman Parkway,

 

      12        Jacksonville, Florida 32216.

 

      13             I stand by to answer any questions,

 

      14        gentlemen.

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.

 

      16             Seeing no questions, I will close that

 

      17        public hearing.

 

      18             Mr. Jones, did you want to --

 

      19             MR. JONES:  (Inaudible.)

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  I'm going to close

 

      21        the public hearing.

 

      22             I need a motion on the bill.

 

      23             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill.

 

      24             MR. DAVIS:  Second.

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on the

 

 

 

 

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       1        bill.

 

       2             Please open the ballot.

 

       3             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

       4             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

       5             MR. JONES:  (Votes yea.)

 

       6             MR. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       7             MR. DAVIS:  (Votes yea.)

 

       8             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

       9             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  Close the ballot, record the

 

      11        vote.

 

      12             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      13             MS. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nays.

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

      15        approved 2010-17.

 

      16             MR. HERZBERG:  Thank you.

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, sir, for coming

 

      18        down.

 

      19             All right.  Now, 2010-18 I have marked as

 

      20        moved, but I have a note here from somebody with

 

      21        Edwards Cohen to withdraw.

 

      22             Now, let me go ahead and open the public

 

      23        hearing and hear from this gentleman.

 

      24             Mr. Sanders.

 

      25             (Mr. Sanders approaches the podium.)

 

 

 

 

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       1             MR. SANDERS:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

 

       2             Karl Sanders with the law firm Edwards

 

       3        Cohen.

 

       4             Council President Clark had some concerns

 

       5        with our application.  Some of his constituents

 

       6        had some concerns about our application, and we

 

       7        have agreed to request withdrawal of that

 

       8        application, along with a request for refund of

 

       9        the fees at this time.

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Thank you, sir.

 

      11             MR. JOOST:  Move to withdraw.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Crofts or Mr. Kelly,

 

      13        what is your opinion on a withdrawal with fees?

 

      14             MR. CROFTS:  Our opinion would be that it's

 

      15        inconsistent with the policy of the department

 

      16        because we have -- on the land use amendment

 

      17        because we have conducted the review and

 

      18        analysis and done the work on the item.

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Mr. Reingold,

 

      20        you were raising your hand.

 

      21             Yes, sir.

 

      22             MR. REINGOLD:  Yes, to the Chair on the

 

      23        issue -- and I'm pulling it up on Municode.

 

      24        There's actually a specific reference within

 

      25        Chapter 650 about the return of fees and whether

 

 

 

 

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       1        it happens before or after the initial public

 

       2        hearing or any public workshop is held.  I just

 

       3        wanted to warn the committee that there is that

 

       4        provision.  You might need to waive it if there

 

       5        was a return of fees.

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Mr. Davis.

 

       7             MR. DAVIS:  I guess I'd like to hear from

 

       8        the council president because obviously there

 

       9        was communication with him and the applicant.

 

      10        And I think if the council president had that

 

      11        desire, that would give me the ability to make

 

      12        the waiver.  So maybe Mr. Sanders can comment on

 

      13        that.

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  Sure.

 

      15             MR. SANDERS:  Through the Chair to the

 

      16        commission, yes, I can represent the council

 

      17        president.  He could not be here tonight, but he

 

      18        is supportive of the request for refund of the

 

      19        application fees.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.

 

      21             MR. DAVIS:  So I guess with that,

 

      22        Mr. Reingold, would I just have to make an

 

      23        amendment to waive the requirement?

 

      24             MR. REINGOLD:  That would be in addition

 

      25        to -- essentially we would have to waive

 

 

 

 

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       1        Section 650.403.  But when you withdraw the

 

       2        bill, essentially it's as if this bill was never

 

       3        acted on.  So that's kind of the conflict in the

 

       4        procedural aspect of it that I'm just trying to

 

       5        work out.

 

       6             MR. DAVIS:  Like how do you -- I guess I

 

       7        understand what you're saying, is how do you

 

       8        refund the fees if you're withdrawing the bill?

 

       9             MR. SANDERS:  Refund first.

 

      10             MR. JOOST:  By check.

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Reingold, you look like

 

      12        you're reading something.

 

      13             MR. DAVIS:  I guess -- maybe I could ask

 

      14        this to Mr. Sanders.  Would it matter if we

 

      15        withdraw in two weeks and let the president try

 

      16        to work this out?

 

      17             MR. SANDERS:  That's fine.

 

      18             MR. DAVIS:  I mean, because tonight I think

 

      19        I'm kind of in limbo because I'd like to hear

 

      20        from him.  And I know he probably talked with

 

      21        you about this and --

 

      22             MR. SANDERS:  Right.  Literally just within

 

      23        the past couple of hours.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  If you withdraw it, it

 

      25        doesn't matter.

 

 

 

 

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       1             MR. DAVIS:  Mr. Chair, would you mind if

 

       2        you just --

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  Why don't we just defer it.

 

       4             MR. DAVIS:  Defer it for two weeks and then

 

       5        let the president figure it out.

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  If it's withdrawn, it

 

       7        doesn't matter to you.

 

       8             MR. SANDERS:  Okay.

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.

 

      10             MR. SANDERS:  Thank you.

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  Well, we'll defer this item,

 

      12        then.

 

      13             Did you still want to speak to him,

 

      14        Mr. Jones?

 

      15             MR. JONES:  (Inaudible.)

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.

 

      17             All right.  We'll continue that public

 

      18        hearing to 3/2, take no further action.

 

      19             All right.  Let's see.  We've already

 

      20        handled items 20 and 21.

 

      21             Item 22, 2010-21.

 

      22             (Mr. Ingram approaches the podium.)

 

      23             MR. INGRAM:  Good evening.

 

      24             Tom Ingram, 207 North Laura Street,

 

      25        Suite 260, Jacksonville.

 

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  Good evening, sir.

 

       2             Did you want to -- questions only, or did

 

       3        you want to hear from Mr. Crofts?

 

       4             MR. INGRAM:  Yeah, sure.  I'll be happy to

 

       5        give an overview of this.

 

       6             This is the Avenues Walk regional activity

 

       7        center.  It's currently approved for a mixture

 

       8        of retail, office, hotel, and multifamily uses.

 

       9             The proposed amendment to the multiuse text

 

      10        policy is to allow a -- for conversion of uses.

 

      11        You may be familiar with the conversion tables

 

      12        and developments of regional impact where some

 

      13        flexibility is allowed to increase or decrease

 

      14        one or more of the uses in the project within

 

      15        certain minimums and maximums, and we've been

 

      16        working with the Planning Department as to what

 

      17        the appropriate minimums and maximums would be.

 

      18             These conversions would not result in an

 

      19        increase in the p.m. peak-hour trips.  It's a --

 

      20        the conversion rate is based on the trip

 

      21        generation rate or traffic generated from the

 

      22        various uses.

 

      23             So that's essentially what it is.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.

 

      25             MR. INGRAM:  I'll be happy to answer any

 

 

 

 

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       1        questions.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Well, let's hear from

 

       3        Mr. Crofts and make sure that everybody is

 

       4        squared away on the conditions in the amendment.

 

       5             MR. CROFTS:  Yes.  Mr. Chairman, members of

 

       6        the committee, the staff is, again, in

 

       7        concurrency with Mr. Ingram's presentation, that

 

       8        it is a reconfiguration to some degree and

 

       9        distribution of uses within the regional

 

      10        activity center of the Avenues Walk.

 

      11             Again, this property is located in the

 

      12        proximity of Philips Highway, I-95, and

 

      13        295/State Road 9A interchange.  The Avenues Mall

 

      14        is within close proximity as well as some other

 

      15        strip commercial or other commercial-type

 

      16        development along that strip of development.

 

      17             The staff has evaluated this.  Again, the

 

      18        overriding factor here in terms of the

 

      19        redistribution, in response to issues and market

 

      20        conditions, is -- the bottom line deals with the

 

      21        p.m. peak-hour trips that are generated by

 

      22        the -- external trips that are generated by the

 

      23        development as set forth in the methodologies

 

      24        provided in the ITE trip generation manual.

 

      25             Staff has reviewed this application,

 

 

 

 

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       1        reviewed it for consistency with the applicable

 

       2        plans, local and state, and recommends approval

 

       3        with the asterisk.  And the asterisk basically

 

       4        deals with the development limits, the maximums

 

       5        and minimums that were referred to by

 

       6        Mr. Ingram.

 

       7             Thank you.

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  So you guys are both in

 

       9        agreement on the conditions?

 

      10             MR. INGRAM:  (Nods head.)

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Reingold.

 

      12             MR. REINGOLD:  Just to clarify, the

 

      13        asterisk language is different from the original

 

      14        one that's submitted.  It's the one that's

 

      15        contained within your staff report.  And also

 

      16        there's just some other technical changes with

 

      17        regards to RE numbers in the bill.

 

      18             MR. INGRAM:  Yes.  And that's part of an

 

      19        amendment that's before you tonight.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.

 

      21             All right.  So having heard the amendment

 

      22        and you're okay with it, we will close that

 

      23        public hearing.  I don't have any speakers.

 

      24             MR. JOOST:  Move the amendment.

 

      25             MR. JONES:  Second.

 

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on the

 

       2        amendment.

 

       3             All in favor of the amendment, signify by

 

       4        saying aye.

 

       5             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Aye.

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  The amendment passes.

 

       7             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill as amended.

 

       8             MR. REDMAN:  Second.

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on the

 

      10        bill as amended.

 

      11             Please open the ballot.

 

      12             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      13             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      14             MR. JONES:  (Votes yea.)

 

      15             MR. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      16             MR. DAVIS:  (Votes yea.)

 

      17             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      18             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  Close the ballot, record the

 

      20        vote.

 

      21             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      22             MR. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nays.

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

      24        approved 2010-21.

 

      25             Thank you, Mr. Ingram.

 

 

 

 

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       1             All right.  We've already -- we have not

 

       2        handled yet 23 and 24.

 

       3             I'm going to open the public hearing on

 

       4        items 23 and 24.  They're related.

 

       5             All right.  Mr. Crofts.

 

       6             MR. CROFTS:  Yes, sir.

 

       7             The recommendations -- or the applications

 

       8        that were received for these land use amendments

 

       9        are located off Normandy Boulevard in the

 

      10        southwest planning district, and there are two

 

      11        separate parcels involved.  And the application

 

      12        is from -- one of these is from AGR-3 to AGR-4.

 

      13        That would be the 2010-22.

 

      14             The staff has reviewed these amendments --

 

      15        this amendment, 22.  And, again, finds it

 

      16        consistent with the comprehensive plan, the

 

      17        Southwest Jacksonville Vision Plan, the

 

      18        Strategic Regional Policy Plan, and the state

 

      19        comprehensive plan.  As well as item 23, which

 

      20        is, again, on -- west of Solomon Road and

 

      21        encompasses 674 acres.  The amendment is from

 

      22        AGR-3 to RR, RR being a maximum of two dwelling

 

      23        units per acre.

 

      24             Staff, again, recommends approval as

 

      25        consistent with applicable plans and development

 

 

 

 

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       1        in the general area.

 

       2             Thank you.

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Crofts.

 

       4             Ms. Pierce, how are you doing this

 

       5        evening?

 

       6             (Ms. Pierce approaches the podium.)

 

       7             MS. PIERCE:  Emily Pierce, 1301 Riverplace

 

       8        Boulevard.

 

       9             As you heard, these are two related but

 

      10        separate amendments.  I'd be happy to answer any

 

      11        questions if anybody has any, but we do have

 

      12        recommendations of approval and we request your

 

      13        approval as well.

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  I don't see

 

      15        anybody on my queue.  And you guys are all okay

 

      16        with the conditions?

 

      17             MS. PIERCE:  We don't have any yet.  We are

 

      18        going to work on -- and we have spoken with --

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  I'm sorry.

 

      20             MS. PIERCE:  -- Councilman Holt about

 

      21        working on the 171-acre parcel and getting

 

      22        some -- when we come back, in a PUD or deed

 

      23        restrictions or whatever.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  My mistake.

 

      25             All right.  I need a motion on 2010-22.

 

 

 

 

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       1             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Close the public hearing.

 

       3             Need a motion on -22.

 

       4             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill.

 

       5             MR. REDMAN:  Second.

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on

 

       7        2010-22.

 

       8             Please open the ballot.

 

       9             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      10             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      11             MR. JONES:  (Votes yea.)

 

      12             MR. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      13             MR. DAVIS:  (Votes yea.)

 

      14             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      15             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  Close the ballot, record the

 

      17        vote.

 

      18             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      19             MR. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nays.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

      21        approved 2010-22.

 

      22             MR. JOOST:  Move -23.

 

      23             MR. REDMAN:  Second.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  2010-23.

 

      25             Please open the ballot.

 

 

 

 

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       1             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

       2             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

       3             MR. JONES:  (Votes yea.)

 

       4             MR. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       5             MR. DAVIS:  (Votes yea.)

 

       6             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

       7             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  Close the ballot, record the

 

       9        vote.

 

      10             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      11             MR. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nays.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

      13        approved 2010-23.

 

      14             Thank you, Ms. Pierce.

 

      15             MS. PIERCE:  Thank you.

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  We have done

 

      17        number 24 -- or 2010-24.

 

      18             Number 26, which is 2010-25.

 

      19             Mr. Crofts.

 

      20             MR. CROFTS:  This application consists of

 

      21        two parcels.  One is located at 6720 Norwood

 

      22        Avenue and the other is 938 Alderside Street.

 

      23        The properties are located in the Metro North

 

      24        neighborhood in the Northwest Planning District

 

      25        and Council District 8.

 

 

 

 

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       1             In this particular case, the Norwood

 

       2        Elementary School has been closed and we're

 

       3        using the school in a reuse fashion for housing

 

       4        for the seniors, and so we're going to receive a

 

       5        proposal from public buildings and facilities to

 

       6        high density residential.

 

       7             Staff has found it consistent, again, with

 

       8        applicable plans and the development in the area

 

       9        and feel it's a very positive influence in the

 

      10        reuse of an underused facility in this part of

 

      11        the city.

 

      12             Thank you.

 

      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  There's an amendment

 

      14        or an asterisk on this.  Are you guys squared

 

      15        away on this?

 

      16             MR. CROFTS:  Yeah.  The amendment, if I

 

      17        may, is the deletion of the alley.  I think that

 

      18        was incorporated in the description of this

 

      19        property.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  Excellent.

 

      21             Mr. Reingold, you're good with that?

 

      22             MR. REINGOLD:  (Nods head.)

 

      23             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.

 

      24             Mr. Mousa.

 

      25             (Mr. Mousa approaches the podium.)

 

 

 

 

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       1             MR. MOUSA:  Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

 

       2             Nick Mousa, 1301 Riverplace, on behalf of

 

       3        the owners.

 

       4             We have a staff recommendation for

 

       5        approval.  The only thing I'd like to add is

 

       6        that we will be coming back with a detailed PUD

 

       7        to staff probably in about 30 days.  There will

 

       8        also be a mix of neighborhood commercial

 

       9        office -- neighborhood commercial and office

 

      10        uses associated with this.  It's a great

 

      11        redevelopment project.

 

      12             And, with that, available to answer any

 

      13        questions.

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Thank you.

 

      15             I don't have anyone on my queue to ask

 

      16        questions, so we'll close that public hearing.

 

      17             Need to move -- somebody to move the

 

      18        amendment.

 

      19             MR. JOOST:  Move the amendment.

 

      20             MR. REDMAN:  Second.

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on the

 

      22        amendment.  All in favor of the amendment,

 

      23        signify by saying aye.

 

      24             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Aye.

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  Amendment --

 

 

 

 

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       1             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill as amended.

 

       2             MR. DAVIS:  Second.

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  -- passes.

 

       4             A motion and second on the bill as amended.

 

       5             Please open the ballot.

 

       6             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

       7             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

       8             MR. JONES:  (Votes yea.)

 

       9             MR. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      10             MR. DAVIS:  (Votes yea.)

 

      11             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      12             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  Close the ballot, record the

 

      14        vote.

 

      15             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      16             MS. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nays.

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

      18        approved 2010-25.

 

      19             MR. MOUSA:  Thank you.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Mousa.

 

      21             All right.  We've done number 27.

 

      22             Number 28, 2010-27.

 

      23             MR. JOOST:  (Inaudible.)

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  Yes, we did.  That was

 

      25        Mr. Hainline.  That was the Braddock.

 

 

 

 

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       1             MR. REINGOLD:  I think we're on 2010-27.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN: Correct.  It's confusing

 

       3        because the numbers of the legislation --

 

       4             MR. JOOST:  (Inaudible.)

 

       5             THE CHAIRMAN:  I'll say it.  We're on

 

       6        item 28, which is 2010-27.

 

       7             All right.  Mr. Crofts, save us.

 

       8             MR. CROFTS:  Yes, sir.

 

       9             We're -- the subject property in this

 

      10        particular application is located north of

 

      11        Eastport Road in the North Planning District and

 

      12        it consists of 23.77 acres.  This particular

 

      13        property was subject to a land use amendment

 

      14        previously to multifamily MDR.

 

      15             In this particular case, what we're doing

 

      16        is we're going back to this particular

 

      17        outparcel -- actually it's 2.34 acres.  I'm

 

      18        sorry.  The current land use is MDR, proposed

 

      19        BP.  This particular strip of property will

 

      20        function as a buffer, so to speak, between the

 

      21        industrial to the north and the residential to

 

      22        the south.

 

      23             And staff recommends approval.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  Excellent.  Thank you,

 

      25        Mr. Crofts.

 

 

 

 

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       1             I'll open the public hearing.

 

       2             Mr. Blanchard.

 

       3             (Audience member approaches the podium.)

 

       4             AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Daniel Blanchard, 2926

 

       5        Sandy Branch Lane.

 

       6             I'm available for any questions.

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Seeing none, I

 

       8        will close the public hearing.

 

       9             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill.

 

      10             MR. DAVIS:  Second.

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on the

 

      12        bill.

 

      13             Please open the ballot.

 

      14             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      15             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      16             MR. JONES:  (Votes yea.)

 

      17             MR. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      18             MR. DAVIS:  (Votes yea.)

 

      19             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      20             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  Close the ballot, record the

 

      22        vote.

 

      23             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      24             MR. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nays.

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

 

 

 

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       1        approved 2010-27, item number 28.

 

       2             Item number 29, 2010-28.

 

       3             Mr. Crofts.

 

       4             MR. CROFTS:  The items 28 and 29 are --

 

       5             MR. DAVIS:  (Inaudible.)

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  Item 29 is separate.

 

       7             MR. CROFTS:  I'm sorry.

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  Item 29.  Genuine Giants.

 

       9             MR. CROFTS:  Okay.  This particular land

 

      10        use amendment -- okay.  I'm sorry.  It's one

 

      11        amendment, two pieces of property, right.  This

 

      12        is a development that came before you

 

      13        previously.  It's sort of followed up in terms

 

      14        of development intensity.  It has two

 

      15        components, a residential component and a

 

      16        commercial component.

 

      17             And staff has, again, gone through a review

 

      18        and assessment of the property.  We have met

 

      19        with the applicant, worked with the applicant,

 

      20        done an assessment and evaluated in terms of the

 

      21        compatibility and the infrastructure surrounding

 

      22        it and the comprehensive plan influence as well

 

      23        as the North District Vision Plan and the

 

      24        strategic and state comprehensive plans and

 

      25        recommends approval with an asterisk.  The

 

 

 

 

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       1        asterisk basically limits the dwelling units to

 

       2        275 and the maximum square footage of

 

       3        neighborhood commercial to 143,000 square feet.

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Thank you, sir.

 

       5             I'll open the public hearing.  I've got one

 

       6        card from Mr. Duncan Ross for questions only.

 

       7             Seeing no questions, we'll close that

 

       8        public hearing.

 

       9             There is an amendment.

 

      10             MR. JONES:  Move the amendment.

 

      11             MR. JOOST:  Second.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on the

 

      13        amendment.

 

      14             All in favor of the amendment, signify by

 

      15        saying aye.

 

      16             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Aye.

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  The amendment passes.

 

      18             MR. JONES:  Move the bill as amended.

 

      19             MR. JOOST:  Second.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on the

 

      21        bill as amended.

 

      22             Please open the ballot.

 

      23             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      24             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      25             MR. JONES:  (Votes yea.)

 

 

 

 

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       1             MR. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       2             MR. DAVIS:  (Votes yea.)

 

       3             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

       4             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       5             THE CHAIRMAN:  Close the ballot, record the

 

       6        vote.

 

       7             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

       8             MR. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nays.

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you have

 

      10        approved 2010-28.

 

      11             Thank you, Mr. Ross.

 

      12             Mr. Reingold.

 

      13             MR. REINGOLD:  Just to clarify again, the

 

      14        amendment was just an issue with regards to

 

      15        having the square footage be at 143,000 square

 

      16        feet and the bill consistent throughout.

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  You guys good with that?

 

      18             MR. CROFTS:  (Nods head.)

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  Excellent.  All right.

 

      20             Number 30 we already did.

 

      21             Number 31, 2010-31.  Okay.  Now we're in

 

      22        line with the item number and the bill number.

 

      23             Mr. Crofts, tell us about number 31.

 

      24             MR. CROFTS:  This item is located 2,000

 

      25        feet north of Arnold Road, south of the Nassau

 

 

 

 

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       1        River.  The subject property is landlocked and

 

       2        has no direct access to Arnold Road, and this

 

       3        particular piece of property is being requested

 

       4        to basically move from AGR-2 and -4 in public

 

       5        buildings to a -- well, actually it will be

 

       6        going to a rezoning to PUD.

 

       7             The staff has evaluated this, reviewed it

 

       8        in terms of consistency with the comprehensive

 

       9        plan, the vision plan, strategic plan and state

 

      10        comprehensive plan and recommends approval with

 

      11        regard to consistency and compatibility with

 

      12        these particular documents.

 

      13             And this property, again, is adjacent to,

 

      14        as I said, the Palmetto Bay RAC or mixed-use

 

      15        development which is designed to accommodate

 

      16        growth for residential development.

 

      17             Thank you.

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Crofts.

 

      19             I'll open the public hearing.

 

      20             I have Mr. Mike Herzberg.

 

      21             (Mr. Herzberg approaches the podium.)

 

      22             MR. HERZBERG:  Mr. Chairman, Mike Herzberg

 

      23        again for the applicant.  My address is 4071

 

      24        Cove St. Johns Road, Jacksonville, Florida

 

      25        32277.

 

 

 

 

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       1             I'll stand by for questions.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  I don't see

 

       3        any.

 

       4             Close the public hearing.

 

       5             MR. DAVIS:  Move the bill.

 

       6             MR. REDMAN:  Second.

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on the

 

       8        bill.

 

       9             Please open the ballot.

 

      10             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      11             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      12             MR. JONES:  (Votes yea.)

 

      13             MR. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      14             MR. DAVIS:  (Votes yea.)

 

      15             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      16             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  Close the ballot, record the

 

      18        vote.

 

      19             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      20             MS. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nays.

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

      22        approved 2010-31.

 

      23             Mr. Davis.

 

      24             MR. DAVIS:  Anybody that -- anybody that's

 

      25        been sitting in the audience, if Mr. Herzberg is

 

 

 

 

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       1        next, I apologize for making this request, but I

 

       2        have to leave early to head to a meeting.  And I

 

       3        was going to see if we could take up, I believe,

 

       4        item 37, which is the discussion we had on the

 

       5        future land use element changes.

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  Sure.

 

       7             Thank you, Mr. Herzberg.

 

       8             MR. HERZBERG:  Thank you all.

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  Yeah.  Let's move on to

 

      10        page 12, item 37, council members.

 

      11             MR. DAVIS:  And it may be 36 and 37.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  Well, there's a -- that

 

      13        whole page is land use element issues.

 

      14             MR. DAVIS:  Okay.

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  That's all staff material.

 

      16             Did you want to have Mr. Crofts go over

 

      17        item number 37?

 

      18             MR. DAVIS:  I believe it's 36 and 37,

 

      19        Mr. Chairman.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Reingold, can I -- these

 

      21        all seem related.  Rather than going through

 

      22        opening all the public hearings on them, can I

 

      23        open them all at once, on items 34, 35, 36, 37?

 

      24             MR. REINGOLD:  You can certainly open them

 

      25        all up at once.  That's consistent kind of with

 

 

 

 

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       1        what we do at City Council.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Well, let's do

 

       3        that.  We'll open the public hearing on items 34

 

       4        through 37, but Mr. Davis specifically wanted to

 

       5        hear about 36 and 37.

 

       6             So, Mr. Crofts, could you address that.

 

       7             MR. CROFTS:  If I may, I'm going to

 

       8        defer --

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  I'm sorry.  Ms. Reed.

 

      10             MR. CROFTS:  I'm going to go ahead and let

 

      11        Kristen go ahead.  And I highlight how we've

 

      12        addressed the issues that were brought up and

 

      13        bring you up to speed.  And if there are any

 

      14        questions, I'll be glad to entertain them.

 

      15             Thank you.

 

      16             Kristen Reed.

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  Sorry, Ms. Reed.  Go ahead.

 

      18             MS. REED:  Thank you.

 

      19             Ordinance 2010-36, amending the capital

 

      20        improvements element of the 2010 Comprehensive

 

      21        Plan revises language -- or adds a policy to the

 

      22        capital improvement element that offers the

 

      23        opportunity for an alternative process for a

 

      24        fair share contribution for a proposed

 

      25        development until such time as a mobility fee

 

 

 

 

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       1        system is adopted and implemented.

 

       2             The proposed policy would not affect fair

 

       3        share contracts entered into prior to the

 

       4        adoption of this ordinance or final development

 

       5        orders issued pursuant to such fair share

 

       6        contracts.

 

       7             And the department has recommended approval

 

       8        of that amendment.

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Reingold.

 

      10             MR. REINGOLD:  And I just wanted to clarify

 

      11        the amendment.  Essentially the Planning

 

      12        Commission approved the exhibit and some

 

      13        technical changes in the bill.

 

      14             MR. DAVIS:  Okay.  I just wanted to make

 

      15        sure that's what the amendment was.

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Did we address our

 

      17        issues?

 

      18             MR. DAVIS:  Yes.

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  Excellent.

 

      20             All right.  Mr. Jones.

 

      21             MR. JONES:  Through the Chair, you

 

      22        mentioned mobility fee.  What is that, and are

 

      23        we required to implement a mobility fee?

 

      24             MS. REED:  Yes.  Mobility fee, legislative

 

      25        changes in the 2009 -- forgive me -- 2009

 

 

 

 

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       1        legislative changes mandate that we, as --

 

       2        designated as a transportation concurrency

 

       3        exception area, implement a mobility fee system

 

       4        in replacement of the concurrency system.  That

 

       5        needs to be adopted by July of 2011.

 

       6             MR. JONES:  So the mobility fee will

 

       7        replace the concurrency fee?

 

       8             MS. REED:  That is correct.

 

       9             MR. JONES:  Okay.  I'm -- what's the

 

      10        thought?  Is that better for Jacksonville or

 

      11        not?  I mean, that's the question I have.

 

      12             MS. REED:  I'm sorry?

 

      13             MR. JONES:  Is that mobility fee better for

 

      14        Jacksonville as a community?

 

      15             MS. REED:  The intent of the mobility fee

 

      16        is to pay for other transportation improvements

 

      17        other than just roadway improvements.  It's

 

      18        intended to promote transit and more of a green

 

      19        kind of transportation system, lower carbon

 

      20        emissions, things of that nature.

 

      21             Concurrency they also have identified as

 

      22        something that pushes development out to the

 

      23        greenfields rather than -- or encouraging or

 

      24        enticing infill redevelopment in a more

 

      25        compact --

 

 

 

 

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       1             MR. JONES:  So the mobility fee is designed

 

       2        to increase the density of neighborhoods as

 

       3        opposed to --

 

       4             MS. REED:  That is one goal, I believe the

 

       5        intent in part of the legislature and

 

       6        implementing and requiring the mobility fee,

 

       7        yes.

 

       8             MR. JONES:  Okay.  All right.  Thank you.

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Mr. Joost.

 

      10             MR. JOOST:  Just real quick.

 

      11             And I guess through the Chair to Mr. Davis,

 

      12        wasn't the mobility fee -- we discussed it in

 

      13        the seaport committee.  So what it does is

 

      14        basically it helps infill.  And where there's

 

      15        already infrastructure, obviously the fee would

 

      16        be less in those areas.  Say like you had

 

      17        downtown development, and then kind of as you

 

      18        move out into rural areas, the fee would be

 

      19        higher.  And then in other concentrated

 

      20        industrial areas, it would help development that

 

      21        way.  I mean, kind of in a broad perspective.

 

      22             Is that basically correct?

 

      23             MR. DAVIS:  Yes, councilman.

 

      24             THE CHAIRMAN:  That's basically correct.

 

      25             But just for the record, we're not passing

 

 

 

 

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       1        the mobility fee in this.  This is --

 

       2             MR. DAVIS:  Yeah, that's --

 

       3             MR. JONES:  But, I mean, that's a part of

 

       4        it.

 

       5             MR. DAVIS:  Yeah.  I mean, I think that you

 

       6        do understand that we're going to be required to

 

       7        implement some type of mobility fee.  And I

 

       8        think that we probably all know dealing with

 

       9        fair share that it needs to be fixed and -- not

 

      10        too much fair about it when you're the last guy

 

      11        in.  So I think that that's something that we

 

      12        should be dealing with in the near future.

 

      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Thank you all

 

      14        for the discussion.

 

      15             Did you want to just do 36 and 37 now and

 

      16        then --

 

      17             MR. DAVIS:  (Inaudible.)

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.

 

      19             MR. JOOST:  You've got to close the public

 

      20        hearing.

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  We'll close the

 

      22        public hearing on all those items.

 

      23             MR. JOOST:  Move the amendment on 36.

 

      24             MR. JONES:  Second.

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  I have a motion

 

 

 

 

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       1        and second on the amendment on 2010-36.

 

       2             All those in favor of the amendment signify

 

       3        by saying aye.

 

       4             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Aye.

 

       5             THE CHAIRMAN:  The amendment passes.

 

       6             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill as amended.

 

       7             MR. JONES:  Second.

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on

 

       9        2010-36 as amended.

 

      10             Please open the ballot.

 

      11             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      12             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      13             MR. JONES:  (Votes yea.)

 

      14             MR. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      15             MR. DAVIS:  (Votes yea.)

 

      16             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      17             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  Close the ballot, record the

 

      19        vote.

 

      20             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      21             MR. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nays.

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you have

 

      23        approved 2010-36.

 

      24             2010-37.

 

      25             MR. JOOST:  Move the amendment.

 

 

 

 

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       1             MR. JONES:  Second.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on the

 

       3        amendment.

 

       4             Mr. Crofts or Ms. Reed.

 

       5             MR. CROFTS:  No, it's not the same thing.

 

       6        And I think that it's probably a good idea to

 

       7        hear the amendment, and I'm going to ask

 

       8        Ms. Reed to kind of summarize that for you.

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.

 

      10             MR. CROFTS:  This is item 37.

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.

 

      12             MS. REED:  Forgive me.

 

      13             Ordinance 2010-37 is the update of the

 

      14        future land use element.  There were two

 

      15        amendments the Planning Commission recommended,

 

      16        and there's one additional one that I would like

 

      17        to offer up as well in reviewing the document.

 

      18             One is -- the first amendment is to remove

 

      19        FLUE policy 2.2.13.  It's just a very specific

 

      20        policy that is in relation to the vision plans

 

      21        that are still kind of in their final draft

 

      22        form.  And we just thought it was a little

 

      23        premature to include that in the future land use

 

      24        element, something that we can address in the

 

      25        future.

 

 

 

 

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       1             In addition to that, at the LUZ workshop on

 

       2        February 2nd, there were some concerns, I

 

       3        believe, Councilman Davis raised about minimum

 

       4        densities.  And I've offered up language that

 

       5        would go in the description and interpretation

 

       6        of the future land use map series section of the

 

       7        FLUE, and that language states -- and I have

 

       8        copies of that I can pass around as well.

 

       9             That language states that minimum

 

      10        densities, as required in the various plan

 

      11        categories, do not apply to accessory uses such

 

      12        as security, a watchman or caretaker

 

      13        residences.  And unless specifically stated

 

      14        otherwise in a plan category or for transit

 

      15        oriented development, TOD, minimum density shall

 

      16        not be construed to require residential uses.

 

      17             The third amendment that I would like to

 

      18        offer up is -- in reviewing the exhibit that was

 

      19        originally submitted, the transit oriented

 

      20        development category, had it been intended to be

 

      21        removed, transit oriented development has been

 

      22        incorporated into a multitude -- or most of the

 

      23        future land use element categories and doesn't

 

      24        need its own category.  So we'd just like to

 

      25        offer up that that be struck through, removed

 

 

 

 

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       1        from the future land use element.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Ms. Reed.

 

       3             MS. REED:  Thank you.

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Davis.

 

       5             MR. DAVIS:  I would hear what Mr. Reingold

 

       6        has to say, but I wanted to --

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Mr. Reingold, then

 

       8        Mr. Davis.

 

       9             MR. REINGOLD:  Just to add, there's just

 

      10        one more aspect to the amendment.  And it's all

 

      11        just going to be one amendment, whether you

 

      12        adopt all the parts or just some of it.

 

      13             Essentially that assisted living facilities

 

      14        and housing for the elderly, so long as those

 

      15        facilities are located within three miles of a

 

      16        hospital and on an arterial road, are allowed as

 

      17        a secondary use in the LDR district or in the

 

      18        LDR land use category.

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  And all those wrapped up

 

      20        into one.

 

      21             Mr. Davis.

 

      22             MR. DAVIS:  I guess this is something we

 

      23        can always address in the adoption stage of this

 

      24        because we're just sending this off.  It's

 

      25        coming back.  It's something that we can

 

 

 

 

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       1        correct.  This is like a work in progress.

 

       2             MS. REED:  Absolutely.  There will be a

 

       3        whole other round of public hearings starting up

 

       4        in June and we can certainly work on things in

 

       5        the meantime as well, address any concerns, do

 

       6        additional research.

 

       7             MR. DAVIS:  And the minimum density

 

       8        language could be what solves it.  It might not

 

       9        be.  I don't have a problem moving forward.  I

 

      10        guess the problem I have -- and there was

 

      11        another area when I was reading this week

 

      12        regarding transitional where you had

 

      13        parameters -- very specific parameters on

 

      14        transitions between different uses.

 

      15             And whenever we start getting extremely

 

      16        specific in this, I just worry that we're boxing

 

      17        ourself in a corner because we can't determine

 

      18        exactly what situations may come up.  So maybe

 

      19        we can work on those things between now and

 

      20        then.

 

      21             I appreciate you taking a look at this

 

      22        because I do believe that minimum guidelines

 

      23        here would cause problems in the future and

 

      24        addressing those other issues.

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Thank you, sir.

 

 

 

 

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       1             Okay.  So we are on the amendment.  I

 

       2        believe I had a --

 

       3             MR. JOOST:  Move the amendment.

 

       4             MR. JONES:  Second.

 

       5             THE CHAIRMAN:  -- had a motion and second.

 

       6             All in favor of the amendment, signify by

 

       7        saying aye.

 

       8             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Aye.

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  The amendment passes.

 

      10             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill as amended.

 

      11             MR. JONES:  Second.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on

 

      13        2010-37.

 

      14             Mr. Jones.

 

      15             MR. JONES:  I assume the motion that we

 

      16        made for the amendment included all three of the

 

      17        amendments?

 

      18             MR. REINGOLD:  Yes.

 

      19             MR. JONES:  That's all of them.  Okay.

 

      20        Just wanted to make sure.

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Thank you, sir.

 

      22             Seeing no further speakers, please open the

 

      23        ballot.

 

      24             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      25             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

 

 

 

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       1             MR. JONES:  (Votes yea.)

 

       2             MR. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       3             MR. DAVIS:  (Votes yea.)

 

       4             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

       5             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  Close the ballot, record the

 

       7        vote.

 

       8             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

       9             MR. LAHMEUR:  Six yeas, zero nays.

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

      11        approved 2010-37.

 

      12             Okay.  Mr. Reingold.

 

      13             MR. REINGOLD:  To the Chair, it was my

 

      14        understanding that we had closed the public

 

      15        hearings on items 34 and 35.  Do you just want

 

      16        to take them up now since you just closed the

 

      17        public hearing?

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  Yeah.  We'll go ahead and do

 

      19        34 and 35, but Mr. Davis has got to go.

 

      20             (Mr. Davis exits the proceedings.)

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  So go back up to the top of

 

      22        that page.

 

      23             Item 34, which is 2010-34.

 

      24             MR. JOOST:  Move the amendment.

 

      25             MR. REDMAN:  Second.

 

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  Did we need to have any

 

       2        information on that amendment, Mr. Crofts or

 

       3        Ms. Reed?

 

       4             MR. REINGOLD:  It's essentially the

 

       5        multiuse language that was incorporated in your

 

       6        staff report.

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  Excellent.

 

       8             MR. CROFTS:  Basically, just -- it just

 

       9        helps us -- with the going away of DRIs in

 

      10        Jacksonville, the deal with the DRI types of

 

      11        developments through the multiuse category.  So

 

      12        it's a substitute local government provision to

 

      13        allow us to deal with the larger master plan

 

      14        developments.

 

      15             THE CHAIRMAN:  So there won't be any more

 

      16        DRIs?

 

      17             MR. CROFTS:  That's correct.  DRIs have

 

      18        been eliminated in Jacksonville.

 

      19             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  All right.

 

      20             Mr. Jones.

 

      21             MR. JONES:  Thank you.

 

      22             Through the Chair to Mr. Crofts, what's the

 

      23        difference between a mixed use and a multiple

 

      24        use?

 

      25             MR. CROFTS:  Strictly terminology because

 

 

 

 

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       1        we use multiuse as a land use category.  We

 

       2        tried to make it -- it's basically the same --

 

       3        refers to the same thing.  It's just a choice of

 

       4        words or preference of words.  There's no

 

       5        difference.

 

       6             MR. JONES:  Because I noticed the MU and I

 

       7        was thinking of one thing.  You used the term

 

       8        "mixed use" -- I mean "multiuse."

 

       9             MR. CROFTS:  I just -- just to answer

 

      10        Mr. Jones, technically we call it "multiuse,"

 

      11        and that's why I referred to it more to the --

 

      12        more than the generic mixed-use type of

 

      13        development.  We've just -- when we created the

 

      14        land use category, we called it "multiuse."

 

      15             MR. JONES:  And not "mixed"?

 

      16             MR. CROFTS:  Not mixed use, yes.

 

      17             MR. JONES:  Someone has a zoning, and I

 

      18        think you had recommended -- and they came back

 

      19        and said you recommended mixed use, and that's

 

      20        the first time I'd heard that.

 

      21             Thank you.

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  And I believe I

 

      23        had a motion and second on the amendment on 34;

 

      24        is that right?

 

      25             MR. JOOST:  Uh-huh.

 

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  All in favor of the

 

       2        amendment, signify by saying aye.

 

       3             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Aye.

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  The amendment passes.

 

       5             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill as amended.

 

       6             MR. JONES:  Second.

 

       7             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on the

 

       8        bill as amended.

 

       9             Please open the ballot.

 

      10             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      11             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      12             MR. JONES:  (Votes yea.)

 

      13             MR. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      14             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      15             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  Close the ballot and record

 

      17        the vote.

 

      18             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      19             MR. LAHMEUR:  Five yeas, zero nays.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

      21        approved 2010-34.

 

      22             2010-35.  I need a motion on the bill.

 

      23             MR. JOOST:  Move it.

 

      24             MR. JONES:  Second.

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on -35.

 

 

 

 

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       1             Please open the ballot.

 

       2             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

       3             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

       4             MR. JONES:  (Votes yea.)

 

       5             MR. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       6             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

       7             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  Close the ballot, record the

 

       9        vote.

 

      10             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      11             MR. LAHMEUR:  Five yeas, zero nays.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

      13        approved 2010-35.

 

      14             Sorry.  I got distracted there because that

 

      15        one is slightly different than the others.

 

      16             Okay.

 

      17             MR. JONES:  I have a question.

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  Sure.  Give me a chance to

 

      19        find my spot.

 

      20             MR. JONES:  Question on the previous bill,

 

      21        2010-35, Mr. Reingold.  In revising the language

 

      22        for adult entertainment, does that -- does that

 

      23        change anything that we're doing currently?

 

      24             MR. REINGOLD:  No, sir.  It essentially

 

      25        clarifies what the intent of the council was and

 

 

 

 

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       1        what our regulations are.  They're allowed in

 

       2        CCG-2 by right.

 

       3             MR. JONES:  Okay.  Thank you.

 

       4             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Somebody correct

 

       5        me if I'm wrong, but I believe we left off at

 

       6        number 32.

 

       7             MR. JOOST:  That's what I got.

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Mr. Crofts or

 

       9        Mr. Kelly.

 

      10             MR. KELLY:  Yes.  Very briefly, item 32 is

 

      11        a land use amendment that essentially resolves

 

      12        a -- during the legislative process for this

 

      13        amendment when it went through originally, the

 

      14        applicant had proposed a change in the asterisk

 

      15        that limits the development in this particular

 

      16        application to -- from 2.2 million to

 

      17        2.5 million square feet of light industrial and

 

      18        supportive uses, and that did not get reflected

 

      19        in the land use amendment.  I think it was part

 

      20        of the deliberations, part of the rezoning, but

 

      21        it was not reflected in the land use amendment.

 

      22             And we're going back to correct that, which

 

      23        was kind of -- which was the intent of this

 

      24        particular land use amendment.

 

      25             And as you'll see that you, in fact, are

 

 

 

 

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       1        the applicant of record on this particular

 

       2        amendment.  Again, it consists of 287 acres of

 

       3        property, and we're simply increasing the square

 

       4        footage that would be allowed in this particular

 

       5        development.

 

       6             And I know that you and Mr. Ingram are very

 

       7        familiar with some of the actual occurrences and

 

       8        events that took place with this.  It was a

 

       9        rather long and laborious process.  And

 

      10        ultimately it was approved, but we failed to

 

      11        include the appropriate square footage that was

 

      12        agreed upon when it was all said and done, and

 

      13        we're basically correcting that.

 

      14             And we find it consistent with the

 

      15        applicable plans for the City of Jacksonville.

 

      16             Thank you.

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, Mr. Crofts.

 

      18             I'll open the public hearing.

 

      19             Mr. Ingram, do you want to tell the folks?

 

      20        And if you miss anything, I'll fill in the gap.

 

      21             (Mr. Ingram approaches the podium.)

 

      22             MR. INGRAM:  Okay.  Tom Ingram, 207 North

 

      23        Laura Street, Suite 260, Jacksonville.  And I'm

 

      24        here representing the landowner, Alta Lakeside

 

      25        LLC.

 

 

 

 

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       1             As Mr. Crofts explained, the proposal that

 

       2        was before the Land Use and Zoning Committee,

 

       3        when it was up for adoption in 2008, was for

 

       4        2.5 million square feet of light industrial.

 

       5        That was part of an amendment to the application

 

       6        that was filed approximately two weeks prior to

 

       7        the LUZ hearing and it was part of a larger

 

       8        compromise or continuing negotiations with the

 

       9        City and with the surrounding neighborhood about

 

      10        the makeup of this project.

 

      11             The original Alta Lakes project

 

      12        contemplated access on Alta Drive and New Berlin

 

      13        Road.  As part of the negotiations, the

 

      14        applicant offered to eliminate the Alta Drive

 

      15        access, but in exchange requested that the

 

      16        square footage be increased to 2.5 million

 

      17        square feet of light industrial.

 

      18             What they had found as they were going

 

      19        through the application process was that the

 

      20        site could accommodate more square feet than

 

      21        they had originally thought.  The site is about

 

      22        287 acres, so the yield is still less than

 

      23        10,000 square feet per acre, which is the normal

 

      24        rule of thumb.

 

      25             I will also tell you that at the LUZ

 

 

 

 

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       1        hearing, I had described the application as

 

       2        being for 2.5 million square feet.  The

 

       3        opposition made some hay about it and

 

       4        Councilwoman Lee had asked me to confirm, is

 

       5        this for 2.5?  I said yes.  But, in sum, the --

 

       6        our proposal was for 2.5.  The opposition had

 

       7        understood it to be for 2.5.  And I believe the

 

       8        Land Use and Zoning Committee had also

 

       9        understood that to be the proposal.

 

      10             So I know, you know, the signs have been

 

      11        posted.  I know there were some e-mails to the

 

      12        Marsh Winds community.  They're aware of this

 

      13        application going through.

 

      14             So I'm happy to answer any other questions

 

      15        you may have about it.

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, sir.

 

      17             And I would just say that basically I kind

 

      18        of sponsored this bill because it was the Land

 

      19        Use and Zoning Committee's fault that that

 

      20        didn't get properly moved, and I was on the

 

      21        committee at that time.

 

      22             So I don't have any other speakers, no one

 

      23        on my queue, so I will close the public hearing.

 

      24             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill.

 

      25             MR. REDMAN:  Second.

 

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on the

 

       2        bill.

 

       3             Please open the ballot.

 

       4             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

       5             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

       6             MR. JONES:  (Votes yea.)

 

       7             MR. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

       8             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

       9             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      10             THE CHAIRMAN:  Close the ballot, record the

 

      11        vote.

 

      12             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      13             MR. LAHMEUR:  Five yeas, zero nays.

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

      15        approved 2010-32.

 

      16             All right.  Number 33, 2010-33.

 

      17             Mr. Crofts.

 

      18             MR. CROFTS:  Yes.  Mr. Chairman, members of

 

      19        the committee, 2010-33 is an application that

 

      20        basically revises an asterisk that was attached

 

      21        to this land use amendment when it was

 

      22        originally approved in the 2008D series under

 

      23        ordinance 2009-142.

 

      24             Subsequent to the City's adoption of this,

 

      25        there was concern raised by the Department of

 

 

 

 

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       1        Transportation about the ability to accommodate

 

       2        the traffic impacts on the affected roads with

 

       3        regard to the square footage that was allowed.

 

       4             What basically is happening in this

 

       5        particular case is that -- the amendment

 

       6        essentially consists of revising that asterisk

 

       7        that goes with this development to limit,

 

       8        restrict light industrial uses to the extent

 

       9        that the number of trips, p.m. peak-hour trips,

 

      10        does not exceed 671.

 

      11             We're not changing any land uses.  We're

 

      12        basically reducing the impact intensity of the

 

      13        uses on this particular piece of property.  And

 

      14        staff and all the applicable agencies that have

 

      15        looked at this in their review are in support of

 

      16        it.

 

      17             And that concludes my report.

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  Thank you, sir.

 

      19             So basically we're just -- we're changing

 

      20        the number of trips in the p.m. or reducing it?

 

      21             MR. CROFTS:  That's correct.

 

      22             THE CHAIRMAN:  Reducing it because DCA

 

      23        requires that.

 

      24             All right.  Let's see.  2010-33 has no

 

      25        amendment.

 

 

 

 

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       1             I need a motion on the bill.

 

       2             MR. JOOST:  Close the public hearing.

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  No.  I need to close the

 

       4        public hearing.

 

       5             Close the public hearing.

 

       6             MR. JOOST:  Move the bill.

 

       7             MR. JONES:  Second.

 

       8             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on the

 

       9        bill.

 

      10             Please open the ballot.

 

      11             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      12             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      13             MR. JONES:  (Votes yea.)

 

      14             MR. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      15             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      16             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  Close the ballot, record the

 

      18        vote.

 

      19             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      20             MR. LAHMEUR:  Five yeas, zero nays.

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

      22        approved 2010-33.

 

      23             We've done items 34 through 37.  Item 38 is

 

      24        deferred.

 

      25             Item 39.  There is a sub.

 

 

 

 

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       1             MR. JOOST:  Move the sub.

 

       2             MR. JONES:  Second.

 

       3             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second on the

 

       4        sub.  And we're going to be rereferring, so

 

       5        there's no public hearing.

 

       6             All in favor of the sub, signify by saying

 

       7        aye.

 

       8             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  Aye.

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  The sub passes.

 

      10             MR. JOOST:  Move to rerefer as substituted.

 

      11             MR. JONES:  Second.

 

      12             THE CHAIRMAN:  A motion and second to

 

      13        rerefer to LUZ.

 

      14             Please open the ballot.

 

      15             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

      16             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

      17             MR. JONES:  (Votes yea.)

 

      18             MR. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      19             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      20             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  Close the ballot, record the

 

      22        vote.

 

      23             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      24             MR. LAHMEUR:  Five yeas, zero nays.

 

      25             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action, you've

 

 

 

 

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       1        rereferred number -- 2010-71.

 

       2             72 is deferred.

 

       3             Items 41 and 42, 43, 44 and 45 are all

 

       4        second and rereferred.

 

       5             If I'm not mistaken, the only thing we have

 

       6        left is back to page 3, number 4.

 

       7             Tell me if I'm wrong anyone.

 

       8             Okay.  All right.  2009-402, which is our

 

       9        bill on public pay phone and transit shelter

 

      10        signage.

 

      11             MR. JOOST:  Move to withdraw the bill.

 

      12             MR. JONES:  Second.

 

      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  Are we going to withdraw it

 

      14        or -- we don't have a public hearing.

 

      15             MR. JOOST:  Move to deny.

 

      16             THE CHAIRMAN:  Are we in the right posture

 

      17        for that?

 

      18             Mr. Reingold, do you want to give us the --

 

      19             MR. REINGOLD:  I'll just give a very brief

 

      20        history.

 

      21             Back in October, this committee considered

 

      22        the bill.  This committee adopted an amendment

 

      23        to strike the language regarding transit

 

      24        shelters.

 

      25             When it went to City Council the next week,

 

 

 

 

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       1        City Council rereferred it.  It did not adopt it

 

       2        with the amendment, didn't rerefer it with the

 

       3        amendment.  And so that's before you.  You have

 

       4        sitting -- 2009-402 as originally drafted.

 

       5             And as I understand it, Councilmember

 

       6        Crescimbeni had asked that it be taken up

 

       7        today.  I believe there are a couple of

 

       8        individuals in the audience who would probably

 

       9        like to speak.  There's not a public hearing,

 

      10        per se.  Anyone who spoke would be at the

 

      11        discretion of the Chair.

 

      12             And that's the posture that we're in right

 

      13        now.

 

      14             THE CHAIRMAN:  Well, first of all, I have a

 

      15        handwritten note that there's an amendment.

 

      16             Is that right?

 

      17             MR. REINGOLD:  The amendment is still the

 

      18        sort of same one that was contemplated or

 

      19        adopted by the LUZ Committee in October.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  So there's no new

 

      21        amendment.

 

      22             So there's no new amendment?

 

      23             MR. REINGOLD:  Not that I'm aware of,

 

      24        unless Planning staff or anyone else hears

 

      25        otherwise.

 

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  So would we be

 

       2        best to just go ahead and move the bill for

 

       3        approval and then vote it that way or move it

 

       4        for denial?

 

       5             MR. REINGOLD:  Well, the one thing I would

 

       6        say is if you do not amend the bill and it

 

       7        contains the essential prohibition in

 

       8        Chapter 326 on having signs on transit shelters,

 

       9        you would have an inconsistency in our ordinance

 

      10        code.  That's the only issue I would raise.

 

      11             THE CHAIRMAN:  So are you saying you would

 

      12        recommend that we move it for denial or move it

 

      13        for approval and vote it?  I mean, if someone

 

      14        were to want to deny this, what would be the

 

      15        best way for us to handle that?

 

      16             MR. REINGOLD:  If you just wanted to deny

 

      17        this bill, you could certainly move to deny it.

 

      18             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  Mr. Kelly, you looked

 

      19        like you wanted to say something.

 

      20             MR. KELLY:  I was just going to bring up

 

      21        again the discussion on what the amendment was

 

      22        at that time.  It was a friendly amendment

 

      23        offered up, I believe, by Councilman Davis that

 

      24        would remove the transit shelter component of it

 

      25        but still prohibit the advertising on pay

 

 

 

 

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       1        phones.

 

       2             So if you were to approve with that

 

       3        amendment in mind, in lieu of withdrawing, then

 

       4        you'd be prohibiting the advertising on the pay

 

       5        phones only and not on the bus shelters.

 

       6             THE CHAIRMAN:  Well, now, correct me if I'm

 

       7        wrong, but I think I was reading the bill itself

 

       8        and it included more than just pay phones and

 

       9        transit shelters.  It was all kinds of -- it was

 

      10        affixed to just about anything.

 

      11             Mr. Reingold.

 

      12             MR. REINGOLD:  Currently, the section

 

      13        that's dealt with in this ordinance says that if

 

      14        it's tacked, tied, or -- to a hydrant, a tree, a

 

      15        lamppost, a telephone, telegraph or electric

 

      16        utility pole, fence or building.  And what this

 

      17        is doing is it's saying, well, if you paste it

 

      18        on or otherwise affix it and you include into

 

      19        those list of -- laundry list of items,

 

      20        pay phones and transit shelters, then those are

 

      21        also prohibited.

 

      22             The ones that I read off originally, the

 

      23        lampposts and the trees, those are already part

 

      24        of the prohibited items for advertising or

 

      25        signage in our code.

 

 

 

 

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       1             THE CHAIRMAN:  All right.  Mr. Jones.

 

       2             MR. JONES:  Thank you.

 

       3             Mr. Chairman, I think Mr. Joost's motion

 

       4        was to deny.  I second it.  So we do have a

 

       5        motion and a second to -- I'm sorry --

 

       6        withdraw.

 

       7             His original motion was to withdraw.  And I

 

       8        think the bill, as we just noted already,

 

       9        prohibits -- the existing sign ordinance already

 

      10        prohibits advertising on everything but the

 

      11        pay phones; is that correct?

 

      12             MR. REINGOLD:  (Nods head.)

 

      13             MR. JONES:  So if we want to move forward,

 

      14        I would support the bill as we did originally

 

      15        with the amendment to exclude transit shelters

 

      16        and move forward excluding -- including pay

 

      17        phones only in the bill because you would have a

 

      18        conflict.

 

      19             Thank you.

 

      20             THE CHAIRMAN:  So are we -- I'm not sure if

 

      21        we're moving forward with it as a withdrawal or

 

      22        a denial.  It's not looking good for the bill,

 

      23        though.

 

      24             Mr. Reingold.

 

      25             MR. REINGOLD:  Again, I kind of heard a

 

 

 

 

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       1        couple of things in that, Councilmember.  I'm

 

       2        not sure.  I've heard a couple of things.  I've

 

       3        heard a lot of discussion.

 

       4             It may be best if, one, the Chair decided

 

       5        if they wanted to hear anyone from the audience;

 

       6        and, two, just someone make a clear motion,

 

       7        whether it's withdrawal, deny, or move an

 

       8        amendment.

 

       9             THE CHAIRMAN:  Mr. Joost, it was your

 

      10        motion to withdraw.  Did you want to change that

 

      11        to a different motion?

 

      12             MR. JOOST:  No.  I think the current law is

 

      13        already pretty clear on what we're allowed to

 

      14        do.  And now it's just getting redundant.  I

 

      15        mean, you're not -- you know, people are still

 

      16        going to put signs up on telephone poles,

 

      17        they're still going to tack them to fences and

 

      18        whatnot.  No matter how many laws we write, it's

 

      19        going to continue.  You know, apartment for

 

      20        sale, whatever.  Lost dog, lost cat.  You know,

 

      21        what, are we going to send the police out every

 

      22        time somebody puts a poster up on the telephone

 

      23        pole for a lost dog or cat?

 

      24             So, to me, it's -- a lot of this is just

 

      25        being redundant and we should just withdraw the

 

 

 

 

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       1        whole thing and make it go away.

 

       2             THE CHAIRMAN:  Okay.  I have a motion for

 

       3        withdrawal  --

 

       4             MR. JONES:  Second.

 

       5             THE CHAIRMAN:  -- and a second.

 

       6             Please open the ballot.

 

       7             (Committee ballot opened.)

 

       8             MR. HOLT:  (Votes yea.)

 

       9             MR. JONES:  (Votes yea.)

 

      10             MR. BROWN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      11             MR. JOOST:  (Votes yea.)

 

      12             MR. REDMAN:  (Votes yea.)

 

      13             THE CHAIRMAN:  Close the ballot and record

 

      14        the vote.

 

      15             (Committee ballot closed.)

 

      16             MR. LAHMEUR:  Five yeas, zero nays.

 

      17             THE CHAIRMAN:  By your action you have

 

      18        withdrawn 2009-402.

 

      19             Anybody got any other items?

 

      20             COMMITTEE MEMBERS:  (No response.)

 

      21             THE CHAIRMAN:  That's it?  Everybody

 

      22        happy?

 

      23             Good night.

 

      24             (The above proceedings were adjourned at

 

      25        6:45 p.m.)

 

 

 

 

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       4   COUNTY OF DUVAL :

 

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       6             I, Diane M. Tropia, certify that I was

 

       7   authorized to and did stenographically report the

 

       8   foregoing proceedings and that the transcript is a

 

       9   true and complete record of my stenographic notes.

 

      10             Dated this 21st day of February, 2010.

 

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